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Babylon is confusion by Mixing
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Mystery Babylon is a Muslim nation.
Jerusalem is not only NOT destroyed - as mystery Babylon is - Jerusalem is saved from destruction by Jesus Himself, Zechariah 14. In verse 5 He returns to mount Olive where He ascended from. Read the rest. Jesus saves that city FROM destruction.
Babel wasn’t confused at all. They were very united.
God removed them FROM Babel and confused their tongues by giving each relocated group a separate language, so they couldn’t just reunite again.
God confused them - they weren’t confused while IN Babel, but were afterwords.
Jesus knew the 'facts', but who among us knows all of the facts? We are to live for God by faith rather than by knowledge. You would cast out the Mormons, JWs and Catholics...? Which of the other, the thousands of others with sometimes diametrically opposed doctrines or beliefs will you also cast out? The Methodists, the Pentecostals, the Baptists; and among them are tongue talkers and non-tongue talkers, Trinitarians and Oneness, and so forth?
Of course you believe you are right or you would not be where you are... but who among believers does not believe that he is right?
"Every way of a man is right in his own eyes: but the LORD pondereth the hearts." Prov. 21:2
The leadership of the Jews including scribes, Pharisees and Sadducees also believed they were right and opposed Jesus himself. Do you know Jesus perfectly and follow him perfectly? Have you overcome the world of your own temptations completely where you never stumble and never make mistakes and never sin?
Until you are then on a par with Jesus following always his Way by the Holy Spirit
had you not better be careful to not follow the ways of the Pharisees of old?
Are you only warning people who you believe are in error? So am I!
There is a time to remain silent and a time to speak. Who but God can let us know which to do in any given moment?
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Amen!
Instead to pointing out the other guy's error, let us focus on having the Light of God in us and allowing it to shine...
"Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven." Matt 5:16
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Ziggy
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I think Babylon is like a mustard seed and grows so tall it covers the whole earth.
What started out as a little city called Babel, grew into a Worldly system, where everything came and sat under it's branches.
Like branches in governments..
God sent his son to save the world, because he loved us all.
And God is NOT willing that ANY should perish.
But Babylon has got to fall.
just thinking,,
Hugs
What started out as a little city called Babel, grew into a Worldly system, where everything came and sat under it's branches.
Like branches in governments..
God sent his son to save the world, because he loved us all.
And God is NOT willing that ANY should perish.
But Babylon has got to fall.
just thinking,,
Hugs
It is the perfection in us to be accomplished by the work of the Holy Spirit in us? If we quench the Holy Spirit as people are taught to do in most [all?] church settings, is not the work of God in us hindered? What are the promises made to overcomers? Is it not by the power of the Holy Ghost that anyone is enabled to overcome as Jesus overcame?
Aye... Babylon...like a little leaven that spoils the whole lump!
amigo de christo
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Let us be on gaurd my friend . For if any brings another gospel we must not partake of that company .
But though we , or even an angel teach any other gospel unto you than what you have , let them be accursed . seperated from the gathering .
amigo de christo
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And you must not remain silent . Always remember what GOD , CHRIST ,told the seven churches .
He has massive problems with them even ALLOWING false ones to teach and to seduce the people .
WE CANNOT even allow it . It must be warned against . It must . For the sake of the people it must .
Weren't they confused about what they believed was the Way to heaven? Isn't that the problem with most [all?] the physical organized church groups today? Why are there hundreds [thousands?] of different ways calling themselves the best way or the right way?
God confused their tongues so they they would have the opportunity to encounter on their own, each one, Way which was not confused. While they were united in their confusion, the blind followers would follow close behind the blind leaders. We, on the other hand, are to follow the Light, one step at a time. God will help us if and when we ask for His help. Without Him we can do nothing and even separated from that initial tower of confusion, we will walk in our own ways of confusion. Probably most of the people walking away from the first Tower of Babel walk then immediately into or toward another one.
"O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it is not in man that walketh to direct his steps" Jerem 10:23
I am not arguing that they are right or wrong. To warn others according to what we believe is one thing. To openly condemn is quite another. Final condemnation belongs to God alone, but He alone always knows all of the answers. Everyone who lives for God, does so by faith... not by knowledge. Every believer has knowledge in the things of God, but he cannot clearly separate what he knows from what he only believes. This is why judgement is His and not ours.
Every church calling itself Christian about which I have any knowledge, I believe, has some of God's truth. Everyone of them also had, I believe, some error. This includes the Mormon, the Catholic, and the JW as well as the multitude of other denominations or non-denominations declaring their belief in God's message.
I have known people in each of those three as well as many other groups who I believe were sincere followers of God. On individual beliefs or doctrines we have certainly had and have our differences. Some very likely is wrong in some things.
The someone wrong very likely in some points is me. So when the matter comes up and the door to communication is open, I may have my say, but hopefully on my part none of this insisting on every point that I am right and the other guy is wrong to the extent of saying "if you do not change to my way you are lost...".
Desire Of All Nations
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There is a problem with your argument here. You say Christians are to live by faith rather than knowledge, but the Bible disagrees with you in at least 3 passages:
- 2 Pet. 3:18: "but grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ"
- Rom. 10:27: "So then faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God."
- Eph. 4:13: "till we all come to the unity of the faith and of the knowledge of the Son of God, to a perfect man, to the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ;"
A professing Christian cannot live by faith if they don't have the knowledge that is supposed to accompany and build saving faith.
Knowledge is indeed important, no one is arguing that obvious fact. Or the fact that good godly learning should be encouraged.
But ultimately we are saved by faith, and not our ability to pass a theology test. A little child whom has very little or poor book knowledge of Christ is still indeed saved.
amigo de christo
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Thus we must warn the ones in error . The Holy Ghost does not lead us into part truths . AS I KNOW YOU KNOW MY DEAR FRIEND .
But them other denominations , are flat out dangerous . Thus as paul and others we must warn them of the grave dangers .
God will call out who HE will call out . But we cannot let them FEEL saved in such a dangerous place .
It is not about our way , its about THE WAY . WE MUST point all to JESUS and warn any and all who are in dangerous places
to come out from amongst those dangerous places .
I , nor you , nor any is the judge of these people . But we are to remind them of the grave dangers they are in .
As you know , just cause one knows partial truths , dont mean they are OF nor know the TRUTH .
I once had some head knowlege myself. According to the gospel i could sound right . But my heart was far from Him .
These people are in dire and grave danger . IF we see our children skating on thin ice , we warn those children .
To warn is not being the judge , its love to warn them . Folks are skating on thin ice and that ice grows thinner by the day .
WE must warn them . Yes the more i warn the less i am loved and the more i am hated by those i do warn .
But out of love i must warn . SO allow me to do this once again . IF anyone is within the catholic church
IF any is within the mormon church , if any within jehovas witness or adventist , or any other church which
can preach some truth and yet Not THE TRUTH . THEN GET OUT and GET OUT NOW . I am fully prepared in Christ
to be hated only more and more by so many , by those i even love most . But it is outta love for their soul
that i do and will warn . You are loved my dear friend . But its time we must be grave again
when it comes to such grave dangers . Keep on praying my friend . Keep on seeking the LORD .
You are loved .
Our carnal mind can only take us so far in our Spiritual Growth, and it is not the Organ by which we Know The person of Truth (Jesus is the Truth). We come to Know Him with the mind of Christ, that is His Spirit in us.
But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God. For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.
Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God. Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual. But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man. For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ. (1 Corinthians 2: 10-16)
The Spirit of Truth will guide us into all truth, Not into falsehood, That takes faith in something other than our mind and intellect to accomplish. All who worship God must do so in Spirit and in Truth, and in so doing they will be conforming to the Truth of the Word of God, without compromise and without error, Like a ship sailing in the wind It will go where the wind is pointing and the wind is pointing to the truth. Now we can fight against the wind and place our oars in the water, But we are eventually going to tire of fighting the wind.
The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit. (John 3:8)
This is the point we all must reach in our Christian walk where the Spirit can finally begin to teach us, the point where we need help understanding, like a child who is dependent on their parents for guidance, this being the faith of a child. It is only then that we see how little we have of what he has to offer us, the abundant riches of his grace, and that we begin to hunger and thirst for more of Jesus. Everything else is just a substitute for these riches, and promotes Babylon.
The example was Brought up of Jerusalem being Babylon vs. Rome being Babylon, I Have seen this debated for years on prophecy forums and sites, and it is probably still going on on those same forums to this day. Both are missing the Point, and both are perpetuating the confusion, and are ever learning and never arriving at the truth. (2 Timothy 3:7) In Other words in arguing what is Babylon using human intellect alone they fail to see that they are the ones who are Babylon.
Others here have Spoken of the seven churches, what most are missing is that we are the church, and those churches are prone to error and correction and require overcoming of those errors. In scripture the church is portrayed as a woman. at times she is portrayed as a virgin, at other times as a mother and at other times as a harlot, the same for the nation of Israel. All these portrayals show her standing whether betrothed, Married and consumated, or Apostate and wicked, they are all the church. In Revelation we see the seven churches, we see the woman in the wilderness producing offspring and we see the woman riding on the beast coming out of the wilderness as a harlot. This is what happens to those who fail to reach the point of being Spirit taught, and they continue in their confusion and being sure of themselves to their destruction.
I Have been walking on eggshells in this post, because this is such a delicate topic. I am NOT saying do not contend for the faith, and expose heretical teachings, That too must be carried out and many are called to this. What I am saying is we can never reach the point of having it all figured out, because when we do WE stop growing. When we stop growing Spiritually the church stops growing Spiritually and all the errors you point to in the church point to your own Spiritual immaturity, as we are the church.
It has been said that each successive generation of seed is a little weaker than the one previous it. If the season was a healthy year, the plant grew strong and had plenty of water it's seed would be bountiful as well. If there was a drought, and harsh weather conditions that seed would be even weaker and may not produce as well as the one before it, and may even result in a famine. As we live our Christian life, we are that Plant, we need the water of the Spirit to thrive, if we do not get enough water we will not bear fruit, let alone pass down seed to the next harvest, resulting in a famine in the Land. It is easy to point the finger at others as being the harlot of Revelation but it is our responsibility to act to prevent this by first pointing the finger at ourselves as the culprit for the confusion by mixing, and coming to our knees in repentance and seeking to be led and taught by the Spirit. Only then can we worship in Spirit and in truth and in the Unity of the Spirit....
amigo de christo
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Just as purely political and secular Zionism alone wasn't enough to establish the Jewish state—it also took the support of devout Jews and Christians who embraced the Bible—it's time for a new, global Zionist movement to bring together a diverse group of Jews and Christians, whose reasons for supporting Israel and the Jewish people may be varied, but whose commitment is just as ironclad.
A new generation must proudly embrace Zionism—not biblical Zionism or secular Zionism, not a Christian Zionism or a Jewish Zionism, but a Big-Tent Zionism that begins unashamedly with our pastors and rabbis whose belief in the Bible animates their support for Israel and the Jewish people.
Then, every church and every synagogue will become a mini-embassy for the Zionist cause.
I Found this on a news article today . MY GOODNESS JERUSALEM IS GONNA RULE the WORLD .
THEY are snaring the churches into a big we are one TENT ZIONISM . The world religoins will be as one and centered in JERUSALEM .
My advice is , COME OUT FROM AMONGST THEM NOW if any Is a part of these movements .
JESUS CHRIST and the original gospel must be the center . ROME is behind this , as is the kabala loving jews who reject JESUS .
THIS is about making the world as one . Rome has long sung this song . And ROME is in on this as well . Many sing
a song of the abraham accord . BUT A LIE this song is . For what does it profit a man though he be born jewish or gentile
IF JESUS is not confessed and believed on as the ONLY savoir .
The flesh profits nothing . The flesh profits nothing . It matters not if i were born a jew , what matters is DO I KNOW JESUS .
We must be on guard cause this web has many angles , but those angles are all leading the world to be as one .
Argument? Who is arguing. I am simply living for God following the Spirit of God each day. My journey began about 71 years ago...
Where is it that we are to start?
"But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him" Heb 11:6
How is it that we grow? As you cited...
"So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God." Rom 10:17
What then is that hearing that comes by the Word of God? Do you suppose it is found in the two appendages on the sides of our heads or even in what men call the "inner ear"? I think not! Is it not then a parable in need of interpretation?
"Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand.
And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive:
For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them." Matt 13:13-15
And our direction?
"Thomas saith unto him, Lord, we know not whither thou goest; and how can we know the way?
Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me." John 14:5-6
And then the One who teaches us all things which Jesus said... the Interpreter?
"But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you." John 14:26
So then the Holy Ghost is the Interpreter... our means to hear, to quicken [bring to Life] what we read in the scriptures.... or?
"Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit [would this not be the Holy Spirit?] giveth life." II Cor 3:6
Is this not the Life that Jesus brought?
"The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly." John 10:10
This was the life that was lost to men back in Genesis when Adam and Eve disobeyed God and died!
No, the Holy Ghost leads to the all of the answers, the complete and correct answers, but each time any one of us quenches the Holy Spirit within he hinders or even stops progress toward that goal. The goal it to be perfect as God is perfect. The goal is to overcome the world as Jesus overcame the world. The means has been provided via the written scriptures and the quickening Spirit, the Holy Ghost.
All of the churches when they set up their schedules and their programs, try to program God Himself rather than allowing God to lead the Way. They limit God as those in the OT limited God.
Any time we allow men to lead us instead of God it is dangerous. If our heart is right
hungering for the right things who can be a danger to us... no matter what physical place of men we find ourselves in for whatever reason?
"Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled." Matt 5:6
I met God for the first time in memory when I was being baptized in water in the Catholic Church. It was not the place God wanted me to remain, but how could I know that? It was 26 years later before He showed me really how to come out of there. Then I heard His voice: "Come out of her"! I had become one of His sheep or rather just a helpless little lamb but it was a real start along the highway of holiness.
I had a whole lot of head knowledge from the Catholics, from the public school system, from my military service time, from my college education time. Lots to unlearn starting repeatedly from the lowest room. I still strive to start there again each day so that He may increase me as He sees fit.
"When thou art bidden of any man to a wedding, sit not down in the highest room; lest a more honourable man than thou be bidden of him;
And he that bade thee and him come and say to thee, Give this man place; and thou begin with shame to take the lowest room.
But when thou art bidden, go and sit down in the lowest room; that when he that bade thee cometh, he may say unto thee, Friend, go up higher: then shalt thou have worship in the presence of them that sit at meat with thee.
For whosoever exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted." Luke 14:8-11
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