Babylon

[Davy]

Again, I agree with you. Israel/Jerusalem of today is the synagogue of satan. However, it is the Papacy that is attempting to situate itself as the head of a One World religion. And for that, they are going to have to DENY the kingdom of Christ as their Lord and Savior and believe in a lie of strong delusion for a World of mandatory "peace and safety".

Again NOPE! Today's... JERUSALEM is not YET the Babylon Harlot. The coming FALSE-MESSIAH-ANTICHRIST must arrive there in Jerusalem first. And what a pope or the Catholic Church wants means nothing compared with the power described in Revelation and 2 Thess.2 that coming false-Messiah will have over the whole earth and all nations, for 42 months.

Thus men's doctrines looking for that in 'today's time' are jumping way ahead of themselves, and that includes any idea about a pope being the Antichrist-false-Messiah.

 

[Davy]

Here is a link to my coverage of the whole Zechariah 14 Chapter, for those interested.

ZECHARIAH 14 IS FOR CHRIST'S CHURCH

Some so-called Christian denominations don't give much weight to the Old Testament prophets, mainly because they conflict with those type church's limited Bible scope and understanding. I know those type of churches well, as I was raised in one of them, a Preterist church. But I in no way claim...

www.christianityboard.com

 

[Earburner]

The subject of a coming SINGULAR ENTITY to play God/The Christ/Messiah, in JERUSALEM at the end of this world is covered by Lord Jesus in Matthew 24:23-26, and by Apostle Paul in 2 Thessalonians 2, and by Apostle John in Revelation 13:11-14, and again by Apostle Paul in 2 Corinthians 11, and of course by Apostle John again in 1 John 2:18 as he mentioned both a SINGULAR Antichrist the brethren had already heard shall come, and then the "many antichrists" that were already at work.

Mat. 24:24 is plural.
2 Thes. 2:8 "the lawless" is plural.
Rev. 13:11-14 is speaking of a kingdom/empire, which is plural.
2 Cor. 11:13-15 is in the plural.
1 John 2:18-19 is in the plural.

You must learn to discern that the singular "spirit of antichrist" generates many antichrists in the flesh [plural]. 1 John 4:3
[3] And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that [singular] spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Mat. 24:24 is plural.
2 Thes. 2:8 "the lawless" is plural.
Rev. 13:11-14 is speaking of a kingdom/empire, which is plural.
2 Cor. 11:13-15 is in the plural.
1 John 2:18-19 is in the plural.

You must learn to discern that the singular "spirit of antichrist" generates many antichrists in the flesh [plural]. 1 John 4:3
[3] And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that [singular] spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

Agree. But, he is getting things mixed up. Matthew 24:24 refers to false Christs, which are those who falsely claim to be the Christ/Messiah. But, antichrists are those who deny that Jesus is the Christ/Messiah, but are not necessarily claiming to be Christ themselves. There are many false Christs, not just one. And there are many antichrists, not just one. But, despite scripture being clear about this, people still try to claim it talks about an individual Antichrist, but it does not.

 

[Earburner]

Again NOPE! Today's... JERUSALEM is not YET the Babylon Harlot. The coming FALSE-MESSIAH-ANTICHRIST must arrive there in Jerusalem first. And what a pope or the Catholic Church wants means nothing compared with the power described in Revelation and 2 Thess.2 that coming false-Messiah will have over the whole earth and all nations, for 42 months.

Thus men's doctrines looking for that in 'today's time' are jumping way ahead of themselves, and that includes any idea about a pope being the Antichrist-false-Messiah.

Evidently you didn't read my reply in post #723, or you simply don't understand it, because you choose to believe the typical fallacy of church-ianity.

 

[Earburner]

I

Again NOPE! Today's... JERUSALEM is not YET the Babylon Harlot. The coming FALSE-MESSIAH-ANTICHRIST must arrive there in Jerusalem first. And what a pope or the Catholic Church wants means nothing compared with the power described in Revelation and 2 Thess.2 that coming false-Messiah will have over the whole earth and all nations, for 42 months.

Thus men's doctrines looking for that in 'today's time' are jumping way ahead of themselves, and that includes any idea about a pope being the Antichrist-false-Messiah.

Earthly JERUSALEM at present is most certainly the MOTHER of harlots. Gal. 4:21-25

Heavenly JERUSALEM is the MOTHER of us all who believe and trust in the Messiah/Savior Jesus, both OC and NC. Gal. 4:26-31.

 

[ewq1938]

Rev. adds in the 8th head. I don't have to.

No, it doesn't. It says the beast has 7 heads, not 8. You are merging the 7-8 consecutive kings, most of whom have fallen in history, with the 7 heads that the beast has the whole time, never losing any. The heads are not consecutive.

 

[Davy]

Mat. 24:24 is plural.

Which is a KJV error that many don't catch. But Dr. James Strong in his Strong's Exhaustive Concordance caught that Jesus meant that "false Christs" in verse 24 as a singular pseudo-Christ. Look it up if you don't believe me; it's Strong's NT:5580.

Also, the Matthew 24:23 & 26 verses are in the singular tense.

It thus becomes obvious that the KJV translators didn't understand the difference with Christ's warning about the "many" in Matthew 24:5 that would come only claiming to be Christ, vs. that singular pseudo-Christ of Matthew 24:23-26 that will have power to work those great signs and wonders to fool the whole world into believing he actually will be Messiah.

Then, when the 1 John 2:18, 2 Thess.2, and Rev.13:11-14 Scripture is understood, which is also about the coming of a singular false one at the end that will play God, then that Matthew 24:23-26 aligns perfectly with all that.

Sorry to say, but your preachers are deluding you if they are teaching you there is no particular singular Antichrist figure coming to play Messiah at the end of this world.

2 Thes. 2:8 "the lawless" is plural.

"man of sin" in that 2 Thess.2 chapter is SINGULAR.
"that Wicked" in that 2 Thess.2 chapter is SINGULAR.
"son of perdition" in that 2 Thess.2 chapter is SINGULAR.

That "he" of 2 Thess.2:4 that will sit in the temple of God (in Jerusalem) at the END is SINGULAR.

That "him" of 2 Thess.2:9 that will work "all power and signs and lying wonders" is SINGULAR.

Thus it is obvious you have simply bought into the fibs of what your preachers have taught you instead of checking out God's Word as written for yourself on the above Scriptures. Most likely they also are deceived and only are following their denomination's doctrines.

Rev. 13:11-14 is speaking of a kingdom/empire, which is plural.

That's Impossible.

The Revelation 13:11-14 Scripture is in the SINGULAR TENSE. It is about "another beast" as written, which is a SECOND BEAST.

The 1st beast of Rev.13:1 that comes up out of the "sea" is the KINGDOM BEAST. That's why it mentions that it has ten horns, seven heads, and ten crowns.

But the "another beast" of Rev.13:11-18 is a 2nd beast, comes up out of the "earth", and is a specific PERSON, the "man of sin" Paul mentioned, and the pseudo-Christ Jesus mentioned that the deceived will claim is Messiah and has come, and is here, or there, and Jesus said to believe it not.

2 Cor. 11:13-15 is in the plural.

These 2 Cor.11 verses are in the SINGULAR TENSE...

2 Cor 11:4
4 For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.
KJV

2 Cor 11:14
14 And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light.
(BLB)

The KJV of verse 14 above uses the English word "transformed", but the actual New Testament Greek word means 'to disguise' (NT:3345).

1 John 2:18-19 is in the plural.

NO, it has BOTH a phrase in the SINGULAR, and and another phrase in the PLURAL.

1 John 2:18
18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.
KJV

The above phrase in 'red' is SINGULAR, and is about the coming "prince of this world" that Jesus forewarned His disciples that would come "Hereafter", meaning after His crucifixion. That is how John says those brethren had already heard that antichrist shall come...

John 14:30
30 Hereafter I will not talk much with you: for the prince of this world cometh, and hath nothing in Me.
KJV

But in that latter phrase of 1 John 2:18, in 'green', that is... about the idea of the "many antichrists" that John said were already present in his day, and at work. That is PLURAL. Those simply mean the servants of the Antichrist. Paul also called that "many antichrists" idea as the "mystery of iniquity" in 2 Thess.2.

You must learn to discern that the singular "spirit of antichrist" generates many antichrists in the flesh [plural]. 1 John 4:3
[3] And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that [singular] spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

With that "spirit of antichrist" phrase, the "spirit of" is one object, and "antichrist" is another object. That is how grammar works, in all... languages.

That word "antichrist" in that phrase is SINGULAR. It does NOT say "spirits of antichrists", which would make it plural. Instead, it says "spirit" (SINGULAR) "of antichrist" (SINGULAR).

Therefore, I suggest that you be careful with your making false suggestions that I'm the one who needs to learn to discern that.

 

[Davy]

Evidently you didn't read my reply in post #723, or you simply don't understand it, because you choose to believe the typical fallacy of church-ianity.

You're apparently a little bit confused. Your #725 post was after... I had chance to respond to your #723 post. But I did respond, see my #728 post above.

 

[Davy]

Evidently you didn't read my reply in post #723, or you simply don't understand it, because you choose to believe the typical fallacy of church-ianity.

Once again, you make false statements with that, "you simply don't understand it, because you choose to believe the typical fallacy of church-ianity."

That of course is blatantly false, especially in light of what is REVEALED with the actual Bible Scriptures that prove beyond all... doubt, that God's Word speaks of the coming of a SINGULAR Antichrist-false-Messiah at the END of this world. And not only in just ONE Bible Scripture did I show that, AS WRITTEN, but I showed where that is covered in SEVERAL WRITTEN BIBLE SCRIPTURES.

So your Biblically illiterate SLANDER ain't gonna' get you anywhere but in the pool with the DECEIVED. And that indeed is where... you are right now, in the cesspool of the deceived, because of your heeding MEN'S DOCTRINES instead of keeping God's Word as written. You sound like a Jehovah's Witness, or Seventh Day Adventist, which their teachings of Bible prophecy about the end of this world is all convoluted and in confusion.

 

[Davy]

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Earthly JERUSALEM at present is most certainly the MOTHER of harlots. Gal. 4:21-25

Nope! Not yet today, because the COMING FALSE-MESSIAH is yet to arrive there in JERUSALEM. Nor has the "abomination of desolation" IDOL that Jesus quoted from the Book of Daniel been setup there in JERUSALEM today, for that won't happen until the FALSE-MESSIAH shows up there to place it with the JEW's future NEW 3RD TEMPLE IN JERUSALEM.

Heavenly JERUSALEM is the MOTHER of us all who believe and trust in the Messiah/Savior Jesus, both OC and NC. Gal. 4:26-31.

You really don't know how to read English, do you? Where did Paul say that Jerusalem on earth today is the "Mother of harlots" like YOU say?

Gal 4:22-26
22 For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman.

23 But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman was by promise.

24 Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar.

25 For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.

26 But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.
KJV

Paul only said that today's earthly JERUSALEM is in "bondage" with here children (the unbelieving Jews). He DID NOT SAY it represents the "Mother of harlots". That is YOU ADDING TO THE SCRIPTURE, WHICH WE ARE NOT TO DO!

Now when the coming FALSE-MESSIAH shows up in earthly JERUSALEM at the very end of this world, working great signs and wonders for the Rev.13 forty two months, and his persecuting the Church, THEN... JERUSALEM will be in the BABYLON HARLOT ROLE, and not before that.

Until the coming of the FALSE MESSIAH, the orthodox unbelieving JEWS in today's JERUSALEM merely represent GOD's PROMISE to Jerusalem, and to David per 1 Kings 11, that He would always leave ONE TRIBE at Jerusalem for Jerusalem's sake, and for His servant David's sake. READ YOUR BIBLE, AND STOP LETTING OTHER MEN TELL YOU WHAT IT SAYS.

 

[Earburner]

No, it doesn't. It says the beast has 7 heads, not 8. You are merging the 7-8 consecutive kings, most of whom have fallen in history, with the 7 heads that the beast has the whole time, never losing any. The heads are not consecutive.

Rev. 17
[7] And the angel said unto me, Wherefore didst thou marvel? I will tell thee the mystery of the woman [earthly Jerusalem], and of the [conglomerate- R.13:1-3] beast that carrieth her, which hath the seven heads and ten horns.
[8] The [conglomorate- R.13:1-3] beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend [evolve] out of the bottomless pit [the earth, this place of endless death], and go into perdition [destruction]: and they [the unsaved] that dwell on the earth shall wonder [admire], whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.

[9] And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman [earthly Jerusalem] sitteth.
[10] And [in 96 AD] there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other [seventh] is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.

[11] And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the EIGHTH [#8], and IS OF the seven, and goeth into perdition.

Now, all must go back to KJV Dan. 7:1-7 and count the SEVEN heads of the Four beasts of Babylon-1, Medio-Persia-1, the Grecian Four Generals-4 [in the latter time of the Grecian empire], and then the Roman empire-1. That all totals to Seven heads.

The beast that was, is not and yet is, is the EIGHTH HEAD, which is the USA, of which IS OF [from out of] the seven.
The 10 horns will be 10 countries out of Europe who will be appointed to destroy with fire earthly Jerusalem which now is.
It will be WW3- Rev. 9:13-21.

 

[Earburner]

Which is a KJV error that many don't catch. But Dr. James Strong in his Strong's Exhaustive Concordance caught that Jesus meant that "false Christs" in verse 24 as a singular pseudo-Christ. Look it up if you don't believe me; it's Strong's NT:5580.

Also, the Matthew 24:23 & 26 verses are in the singular tense.

It thus becomes obvious that the KJV translators didn't understand the difference with Christ's warning about the "many" in Matthew 24:5 that would come only claiming to be Christ, vs. that singular pseudo-Christ of Matthew 24:23-26 that will have power to work those great signs and wonders to fool the whole world into believing he actually will be Messiah.

Then, when the 1 John 2:18, 2 Thess.2, and Rev.13:11-14 Scripture is understood, which is also about the coming of a singular false one at the end that will play God, then that Matthew 24:23-26 aligns perfectly with all that.

Sorry to say, but your preachers are deluding you if they are teaching you there is no particular singular Antichrist figure coming to play Messiah at the end of this world.



"man of sin" in that 2 Thess.2 chapter is SINGULAR.
"that Wicked" in that 2 Thess.2 chapter is SINGULAR.
"son of perdition" in that 2 Thess.2 chapter is SINGULAR.

That "he" of 2 Thess.2:4 that will sit in the temple of God (in Jerusalem) at the END is SINGULAR.

That "him" of 2 Thess.2:9 that will work "all power and signs and lying wonders" is SINGULAR.

Thus it is obvious you have simply bought into the fibs of what your preachers have taught you instead of checking out God's Word as written for yourself on the above Scriptures. Most likely they also are deceived and only are following their denomination's doctrines.



That's Impossible.

The Revelation 13:11-14 Scripture is in the SINGULAR TENSE. It is about "another beast" as written, which is a SECOND BEAST.

The 1st beast of Rev.13:1 that comes up out of the "sea" is the KINGDOM BEAST. That's why it mentions that it has ten horns, seven heads, and ten crowns.

But the "another beast" of Rev.13:11-18 is a 2nd beast, comes up out of the "earth", and is a specific PERSON, the "man of sin" Paul mentioned, and the pseudo-Christ Jesus mentioned that the deceived will claim is Messiah and has come, and is here, or there, and Jesus said to believe it not.



These 2 Cor.11 verses are in the SINGULAR TENSE...

2 Cor 11:4
4 For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.
KJV

2 Cor 11:14
14 And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light.
(BLB)

The KJV of verse 14 above uses the English word "transformed", but the actual New Testament Greek word means 'to disguise' (NT:3345).



NO, it has BOTH a phrase in the SINGULAR, and and another phrase in the PLURAL.

1 John 2:18
18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.
KJV

The above phrase in 'red' is SINGULAR, and is about the coming "prince of this world" that Jesus forewarned His disciples that would come "Hereafter", meaning after His crucifixion. That is how John says those brethren had already heard that antichrist shall come...

John 14:30
30 Hereafter I will not talk much with you: for the prince of this world cometh, and hath nothing in Me.
KJV

But in that latter phrase of 1 John 2:18, in 'green', that is... about the idea of the "many antichrists" that John said were already present in his day, and at work. That is PLURAL. Those simply mean the servants of the Antichrist. Paul also called that "many antichrists" idea as the "mystery of iniquity" in 2 Thess.2.




With that "spirit of antichrist" phrase, the "spirit of" is one object, and "antichrist" is another object. That is how grammar works, in all... languages.

That word "antichrist" in that phrase is SINGULAR. It does NOT say "spirits of antichrists", which would make it plural. Instead, it says "spirit" (SINGULAR) "of antichrist" (SINGULAR).

Therefore, I suggest that you be careful with your making false suggestions that I'm the one who needs to learn to discern that.

Well, of course you DO BELIEVE in the coming of "THE Antichrist" in the singular, as if there is ONE that will be greater and more special than all antichrists.

And for that, you are drinking the kool-aid of the religion of church-ianity, for that is exactly how the "scholarly learned", aka Theologians, Pastors, Bishops, Evangelists etc. TEACH IT!!

 

[Jerry Huerta]

You need to go back to my post #187 where I answered WPM about the SAME type of questions about Zechariah 14 that you BOTH ASKED. I responded with clear examples of events in Zechariah 14 that are also written in OTHER Bible Scripture. I did not... cover every event written in Zech.14, as there is no need for me to. Those few example proofs I gave in my post ought to be enough.

Since you and WPM both asked the SAME kind of questions about the Zech.14 Chapter, does that mean you two are working together??

I NOW FEEL LED TO COVER THE WHOLE ZECHARIAH 14 CHAPTER LINE UPON LINE, JUST BECAUSE OF YOU GUY'S REBELLION AGAINST THAT OLD TESTAMENT SCRIPTURE GOD GAVE TO HIS PROPHET ZECHARIAH.

First, post #187 on this thread has nothing to do with Zechariah or you. Second it doesn't address anything about the issue of the sheep and the goats. And again, where did you address, the texts that support my interpretation? I have seen nothing from you disputing my use of Revelation 21:23-24, Zechariah 14:16, 1 Peter 2:9 and Matthew 21:43.

Malevolence lies in those who boast they represent the Most High while trying to defame the brethren holding the greater arguments, like you do. If you have the truth, why don’t you address all the pertinent passage that shed light on the issue, instead of evading them? In truth, you always resort to childish ad hominems instead of contending with the evidence. That’s hubris.

Again, tell us why Christ must join the bride with the goats again to separate them a second time in order that there be but two groups when he returns?

 

[Jerry Huerta]

You can make up whatever you want in your own mind. And that shows how Christ is working against you because of your false attitude against His written Word. Keep it up, if being Biblically illiterate is what you want. And say Hi to those fakes you listen to behind the pulpits you follow.

Instead of attacking the person, why don't you address the scriptures that support my interpretations. And why don't you answer to my challenges that expose your interpretations as foolishness.

John sees the harlot atop the beast during the time the sixth king IS, whom you say is the ROMAN EMPEROR DOMITIAN.

You can't have it both ways.

You can't say the sixth king is the Roman Emperor Domitian and hold that the great city that rides atop the Roman Emperor Domitian is the future city of Jerusalem.

That's almost as absurd the future antichrist WAS before the Roman Emperor Domitian.

Malevolence lies in those who boast they represent the Most High while trying to defame the brethren holding the greater arguments, like you do. If you have the truth, why don’t you address all the pertinent passage that shed light on the issue, instead of evading them? In truth, you always resort to childish ad hominems instead of contending with the evidence. That’s hubris.

 

[Earburner]

Nope! Not yet today, because the COMING FALSE-MESSIAH is yet to arrive there in JERUSALEM. Nor has the "abomination of desolation" IDOL that Jesus quoted from the Book of Daniel been setup there in JERUSALEM today, for that won't happen until the FALSE-MESSIAH shows up there to place it with the JEW's future NEW 3RD TEMPLE IN JERUSALEM.

Do you not see that your thinking is what most all of scholarly learned church-ianity believes???
And that is, nothing can take place in Rev. UNTIL "THE" one man band, singular "Antichrist", above all antichrists, SITS on a Jewish throne in a Jewish temple.

LOL!! ITS NEVER going to happen because none of it is about any singular man, but rather every unsaved person who denies that Jesus has come in the flesh!!!

Don't you know that "the abomination that maketh desolate" has ALREADY taken place?? That abomination was not against men, but rather against God Himself
Prov. 6:16-19
[16] These six things doth the LORD hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him:

[17] 1. A proud look,
2. a lying tongue, and
7. hands that shed innocent blood,
[18] 3. An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations,
4. feet that be swift in running to mischief,
[19] 5. A false witness that speaketh lies, and
6. he that soweth discord among brethren.

Surely you do know that there ARE MORE than one "son of perdition".

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Which is a KJV error that many don't catch. But Dr. James Strong in his Strong's Exhaustive Concordance caught that Jesus meant that "false Christs" in verse 24 as a singular pseudo-Christ. Look it up if you don't believe me; it's Strong's NT:5580.

So, do you try to claim that the verse is only referring to one false prophet as well? You should if you want to be consistent and want to be taken seriously.

Matthew 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

Why would Jesus reference on false Christ here after previously saying in verse 5: "many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.". It should be clear that in verse 24 He was just reiterating what He had previously said about their being many false Christs that would come and not just one.

Also, it's not just the KJV that translates that word in the plural as "false Christs". I looked at about 20 different English translations of the verse and they all have the word in the plural (a few say "false Messiahs" instead of "false Christs"). So, you are not just disagreeing with the KJV translators, but all English translators about how that verse should have been translated.

 

[ewq1938]

The beast that was, is not and yet is, is the EIGHTH HEAD

No. There are only 7 heads which are mountains. There is not an 8th. There is an 8th king but that is something separate from the heads of the beast. This is like someone saying there are 10 heads and citing the ten horns. That's MIXING separate things together.

 

[Earburner]

Which is a KJV error that many don't catch. But Dr. James Strong in his Strong's Exhaustive Concordance caught that Jesus meant that "false Christs" in verse 24 as a singular pseudo-Christ. Look it up if you don't believe me; it's Strong's NT:5580.

Also, the Matthew 24:23 & 26 verses are in the singular tense.

It thus becomes obvious that the KJV translators didn't understand the difference with Christ's warning about the "many" in Matthew 24:5 that would come only claiming to be Christ, vs. that singular pseudo-Christ of Matthew 24:23-26 that will have power to work those great signs and wonders to fool the whole world into believing he actually will be Messiah.

Then, when the 1 John 2:18, 2 Thess.2, and Rev.13:11-14 Scripture is understood, which is also about the coming of a singular false one at the end that will play God, then that Matthew 24:23-26 aligns perfectly with all that.

Sorry to say, but your preachers are deluding you if they are teaching you there is no particular singular Antichrist figure coming to play Messiah at the end of this world.



"man of sin" in that 2 Thess.2 chapter is SINGULAR.
"that Wicked" in that 2 Thess.2 chapter is SINGULAR.
"son of perdition" in that 2 Thess.2 chapter is SINGULAR.

That "he" of 2 Thess.2:4 that will sit in the temple of God (in Jerusalem) at the END is SINGULAR.

That "him" of 2 Thess.2:9 that will work "all power and signs and lying wonders" is SINGULAR.

Thus it is obvious you have simply bought into the fibs of what your preachers have taught you instead of checking out God's Word as written for yourself on the above Scriptures. Most likely they also are deceived and only are following their denomination's doctrines.



That's Impossible.

The Revelation 13:11-14 Scripture is in the SINGULAR TENSE. It is about "another beast" as written, which is a SECOND BEAST.

The 1st beast of Rev.13:1 that comes up out of the "sea" is the KINGDOM BEAST. That's why it mentions that it has ten horns, seven heads, and ten crowns.

But the "another beast" of Rev.13:11-18 is a 2nd beast, comes up out of the "earth", and is a specific PERSON, the "man of sin" Paul mentioned, and the pseudo-Christ Jesus mentioned that the deceived will claim is Messiah and has come, and is here, or there, and Jesus said to believe it not.



These 2 Cor.11 verses are in the SINGULAR TENSE...

2 Cor 11:4
4 For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.
KJV

2 Cor 11:14
14 And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light.
(BLB)

The KJV of verse 14 above uses the English word "transformed", but the actual New Testament Greek word means 'to disguise' (NT:3345).



NO, it has BOTH a phrase in the SINGULAR, and and another phrase in the PLURAL.

1 John 2:18
18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.
KJV

The above phrase in 'red' is SINGULAR, and is about the coming "prince of this world" that Jesus forewarned His disciples that would come "Hereafter", meaning after His crucifixion. That is how John says those brethren had already heard that antichrist shall come...

John 14:30
30 Hereafter I will not talk much with you: for the prince of this world cometh, and hath nothing in Me.
KJV

But in that latter phrase of 1 John 2:18, in 'green', that is... about the idea of the "many antichrists" that John said were already present in his day, and at work. That is PLURAL. Those simply mean the servants of the Antichrist. Paul also called that "many antichrists" idea as the "mystery of iniquity" in 2 Thess.2.




With that "spirit of antichrist" phrase, the "spirit of" is one object, and "antichrist" is another object. That is how grammar works, in all... languages.

That word "antichrist" in that phrase is SINGULAR. It does NOT say "spirits of antichrists", which would make it plural. Instead, it says "spirit" (SINGULAR) "of antichrist" (SINGULAR).

Therefore, I suggest that you be careful with your making false suggestions that I'm the one who needs to learn to discern that.

It's not all that complicated as the religions of church-ianity have made it out to be.

If you would simply read God's symbolic description of the 10H beast in Rev. 13:1-4, and compare it to Dan. 7:6-8, you shall see that the 10H beast of Rev. Is a conglomoration of four previous EMPIRES found in Dan. 7:6-8.

Please compare:
Rev. [2] And the [First] beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.

Dan. 7:6-8
[2] Daniel spake and said, I saw in my vision by night, and, behold, the four winds of the heaven strove upon the great sea.
[3] And four great beasts came up from the sea, diverse one from another.
[4] The first was like a lion, and had eagle's wings: I beheld till the wings thereof were plucked, and it was lifted up from the earth, and made stand upon the feet as a man, and a man's heart was given to it.
[5] And behold another beast, a second, like to a bear, and it raised up itself on one side, and it had three ribs in the mouth of it between the teeth of it: and they said thus unto it, Arise, devour much flesh.
[6] After this I beheld, and lo another [a third], like a leopard, which had upon the back of it four wings of a fowl; the beast had also four heads; and dominion was given to it.
[7] After this I saw in the night visions, and behold a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly; and it had great iron teeth: it devoured and brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with the feet of it: and it was diverse from all the beasts that were before it; and it had ten horns.

 

[Earburner]

No. There are only 7 heads which are mountains. There is not an 8th. There is an 8th king but that is something separate from the heads of the beast. This is like someone saying there are 10 heads and citing the ten horns. That's MIXING separate things together.

Actually, you are correct about the 7 heads.
But, we cannot deny the word "eighth" as it is written in Rev. 17:11
[11] And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.

So then who is the eighth head [of the 10H beast that never died], since it is not being described about the 10H beast having 7 heads??
The answer is: it is the "another beast" having two horns [Greek-knubs] like a [youthful] lamb. Rev. 13:11-15.
The youngest world ruling empire in the world today, is the USA, of which is indeed the eighth head on the 10H Beast.