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Jesus reflects his Father and Gods glory, that doesn't make Jesus God. The Father and God of Jesus is that glory, but Jesus reflects his Father and God glory.

Great point! A mirror reflects also but a mirror is not what it reflects.

Reflect and "in the form of" are related in that way. One only uses the expression that a thing is "in the form of" when it is made to look like something it is not. Otherwise, one would simply say X is a thing. A toy that is "in the form of" a rattlesnake has one property you can be sure; it is not a rattlesnake. And one would not say a real, living rattlesnake is "in the form of" a toy.
 

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There is no reason this should be a sticking point, except that you are making it so. I don't think there is another person on this thread that believes you on this matter.

Facts are facts. You can believe them or not. Your belief does not change the facts. 4 men in the Bible were worshipped. Not a one of them are God.
 

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Wrong the Eternal Son was together with the Father before creation as per John 17:5 sharing the exact same Glory together as God.

next……

Friend, you need to understand Definition, Logic and Language Usage. Son's come after and from their father's. The Father alone is God alone. The Bible says this over and over and over again.
 

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Friend, you need to understand Definition, Logic and Language Usage. Son's come after and from their father's. The Father alone is God alone. The Bible says this over and over and over again.
Friend you need to read John 17:5 and comprehend Jesus own words that He was together with the Father before creation. Only God pre exists creation and only God is the Creator and numerous passages attribute the creation of all things to the Son.

The Bible says over and over again Christ is the Creator.

Genesis 1:1
In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.

John 1:3
Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made.

Acts 17:24-25
He is the God who made the world and everything in it. Since He is Lord of heaven and earth, He does not live in man-made temples,
and human hands can not serve His needs--for He has no needs. He Himself gives life and breath to everything, and He satisfies every need there is.

1 Corinthians 8:6
yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom are all things, and we exist for Him; and one Lord, Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we exist through Him.

Colossians 1:16-17
For by him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things were created by him and for him. 17 He is before all things, and in him all things hold together.

Hebrews 1:2
but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom he made the universe.

Hebrews 1:10
He also says,
"In the beginning, O Lord, you laid the foundations of the earth, and the heavens are the work of your hands.

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Jesus is not God and certainly not the Creator. The Bible NEVER says either of these things about Jesus. If it did, you would not quote GE 1:, wchih does not even mention Jesus.
Genesis 1:1 and John 1:1 are parallel passages describing the same Creation Event.

In the beginning was the Word.
en arche en ho logos
εν αρχη ην ο λογος

the phrase "in the beginning" is "en arche". Now if you look in the Septuagint at Genesis 1:1 we find this:
εν αρχη εποιησεν ο θεος

Now the question we need to ask ourselves is what does in the beginning mean ? One must always remember that context always determines the meaning of words and phrases. If we compare Genesis with John which is exactly what John is doing in his opening to his gospel we can clearly see his point. Moses and John both are discussing the creation of "all things". That makes the passages parallel. Here a some parallels to consider:

1- in the beginning
2- Theos( God) appears in both opening verses
3- Both talk about the creation of all things
4- both use egeneto εγενετο, came into being or existence
5- both use and contrast light and darkness

εν αρχη refers to the beginning of time. Now if John didn't mean the beginning of time he could of easily used another word that he often used which would be the word from"apo" instead of en. He could of also used the phrase came into being(egeneto) to refer to the Word in 1a but he did not. John made it very clear that the Word in his gospel is equal to God in Genesis.

Now lets look at the verb was"en". This is in the imperfect tense meaning continuous existence. By its very definition it has the meaning of eternal, without beginning. Therefor the Words existence transcends time and is eternal. Here is Dr. Robertson below:

In the beginning (en arch). Arch is definite, though anarthrous like our at home, in town, and the similar Hebrew be reshith in Genesis 1:1 . But Westcott notes that here John carries our thoughts beyond the beginning of creation in time to eternity. There is no argument here to prove the existence of God any more than in Genesis. It is simply assumed. Either God exists and is the Creator of the universe as scientists like Eddington and Jeans assume or matter is eternal or it has come out of nothing. Was (hn). Three times in this sentence John uses this imperfect of eimi to be which conveys no idea of origin for God or for the Logos, simply continuous existence. Quite a different verb (egeneto, became) appears in verse Genesis 14 for the beginning of the Incarnation of the Logos. See the distinction sharply drawn in Genesis 8:58 "before Abraham came (genesqai) I am" (eimi, timeless existence).

From here we can now look to see who the Word is in John 1:1.

Now that we have established the meaning of the beginning in John 1:1a we can move on to the identity of the Word.

Whoever the Word is , He was alongside God (with Him) and was God. But how can the Word be with God and also be God? Lets examine 1b The Word was with God. John here is making a distinction between the Word and God. The Word existed eternally with God, for the Word (logos) ‎was in perfect fellowship with God. Pros ‎with the accusative shows equality and intimacy, face to face with each other. This clearly reveals a relationship between the logos and theon in 1b. In (Moulton and Milligan Vocabulary of the Greek New Testament)"the knowledge of our intimacy with one another" is used to speak of the relationship between the logos and God.

The Word was God- και θεος ην ο λογος . Theos here is without the article. It is predicative and describes the nature of the Word. The absence of the article indicates that the Word is God. If “o theos” had been written then it would mean that no divine being existed outside of the Word. Johns whole gospel comes forth from this verse. The Word is who his gospel is written about and as we will see the words and deeds of Jesus are the words and deeds of God.

John 1:14 and the Word became flesh- και ο λογος σαρξ εγενετο. Second aorist middle indicative of ginomai which means came into existence, He became flesh. The Word in one single event is history became man as opposed to “eimi” being or always existed. So we can clearly see the Word who is eternal came into existence in the flesh at a single point in time .

Now if we read further in John we can see that the Word dwelt among us (tabernacled).The Word entering a new mode of existence, became flesh, and lived in a tent (His physical body-a tabernacle) among us. And we beheld His glory.

John was 6 months older than Jesus yet John declares His Pre - Existence prior to His birth.

This Word John the Baptist identifies as Jesus.
15 John testified about Him and cried out, saying, "This was He of whom I said, 'He who comes after me has a higher rank than I, for He existed before me.

John 1:29-31
29The next day he saw Jesus coming to him and said, "Behold, the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world! 30"This is He on behalf of whom I said, 'After me comes a Man who has a higher rank than I, for He existed before me.

How was the "Word made flesh"? By the miracle of the Virgin Birth (Isaiah 7:14, Matthew 1:18-25, Luke 1:26-38). He took on Himself sinless human nature and identified with us in every aspect of our life from birth to death. "The Word" was not an abstract concept of philosophy, a thought or an idea but a real person who could be seen, touched, and heard. The gospel is Christ and Christ is God who Created all things and in whom all things exist.

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Great point! A mirror reflects also but a mirror is not what it reflects.

Reflect and "in the form of" are related in that way. One only uses the expression that a thing is "in the form of" when it is made to look like something it is not. Otherwise, one would simply say X is a thing. A toy that is "in the form of" a rattlesnake has one property you can be sure; it is not a rattlesnake. And one would not say a real, living rattlesnake is "in the form of" a toy.

Yes, The Only Begotten Son of God is in, "the image of God" and, "in the form of God" and the Only Begotten Son of God reflects God's Glory, but, The Only True God isn't in anyone's image or form nor does he reflect anyone's glory because he is, The Only True God. Also anyone trying to use John 17:5 as a way to say that God and the Only-Begotten Son of God were the same glory is in error because Philippians 2: 5-6 is showing us that the Only Begotten Son of God was in the form of God before becoming human and as I said The Only True God is in no ones form. This shows us that the glory that the Only Begotten Son of God had before becoming human was a glory he reflected but he wasn't that glory. There's a difference in being in the form of someone and actually being that form. So the glory of a person which the scriptures says a person has who is in the form of God is a reflection of that glory, the one who is in the form of God isn't that glory.
 
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Yes, The Only Begotten Son of God is in, "the image of God" and, "in the form of God" and the Only Begotten Son of God reflects God's Glory, but, The Only True God isn't in anyone's image or form nor does he reflect anyone's glory because he is, The Only True God.

Similarly using just as straight language, the Bible repeatedly says Jesus is a man.
 

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Leviticus 17:11 tell us that the life of the flesh is in the blood, this means that Jesus Christ human life was in his blood, Jesus sacrificed his human life for mankind.
Hebrews 10:1-10 shows us that Jesus offered his body as a offering so it was his human life which was in Jesus blood that he sacrificed. And yes God didn't allow his Only Begotten Sons body to see corruption, but that doesn't mean that Jesus took that human life back that he had willingly sacrificed and put on the altar.
When the scriptures talk of Jesus body not seeing corruption that means he would never be human again because all human beings are mortal and corruptible. Jesus was resurrected a immortal incorruptible spirit being not a human being who would be mortal and corruptible again.


You casn choose to believe that Watchtower lie fi you wish, but corruption means rot not being human again! Nobody but the watchtower views corruption. In hebrew it is sahat which meant the grave. No implication of becoming human again- that is an intentional twisting of scripture.

In the NT it is diaphthora which means: that destruction which is effected by the decay of the body after death.

sorry but your Watchtower has lied to you again.

You also continue to reject what resurrection means in the original- a standing AGAIN. If Jesus died a spirit creature I would agree with you He rose as one. but He died with a body so He stood again with a body! YTOu canot have something AGAIN unless it happened at least one time before. but you know that unless they have told you to forget all rules of understanding basic words.
 

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Leviticus 17:11 tell us that the life of the flesh is in the blood, this means that Jesus Christ human life was in his blood, Jesus sacrificed his human life for mankind.
Hebrews 10:1-10 shows us that Jesus offered his body as a offering so it was his human life which was in Jesus blood that he sacrificed. And yes God didn't allow his Only Begotten Sons body to see corruption, but that doesn't mean that Jesus took that human life back that he had willingly sacrificed and put on the altar, so Jesus didn't take that human body back because that would be taking that human life back. When the scriptures talk of Jesus body not seeing corruption that means he would never be human again because all human bodies are corruptible. Jesus was resurrected a immortal incorruptible spirit being not a human again.

As for your Leviticus comment- you are finally correct- He saxcrificed His life (blood) for the forgiveness of sins as it says in SCripture.

This being raised a spirit creature is a watchtower myth borrowed from the famous apostate Arius of alexandria!
 

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Dear @BARNEY BRIGHT and @Ronald Nolette
I cannot quite follow all this depth and detail that doesn't change how I understand Jesus in simpler terms.

To be born without sin means Jesus did not carry any generational sins or conditions from mothers or fathers before Him that carry debts and biases on human conditions.

Because my parents came from Vietnamese Buddhist backgrounds, this generational sin condition was called "karma." But I later understood and finally made the connection in Christ that this "karma" is the term they used for "sins of the fathers revisited on the sons to the fourth and fifth generations" which Christians call generational "sins."

Jesus was born of God and free of any such "sins" that every other human has carried fr past generations born imperfect.

Jesus was and is perfect.

That is what it means not to be born carrying any of the influence or karma from the "original sin" that affects the rest of humanity by lineage.

As for differences with JW:
When it comes to renouncing and freeing people of generational sins, most people and most sins can be renounced and healed by our own free choice to follow God's laws instead.

However some of the deeper addictions, such as alcoholism from Native American genocide or the racial hostility from slavery genocide, require much deeper healing collectively.

These collective generational wounds, sins and especially curses can require the team prayers used by Christians to cast out demons and obstructions to healing.

JW do not believe in Christian spiritual healing. But are taught it is demonic or man trying to change dictate or control God's will instead of letting these sins or curses run their course and end after the fourth or fifth generation.

@Ronald Nolette if there was one place I ask your help to change how JW teach, it would be to prove Christian spiritual healing works by forgiveness which is Biblical (James 5:16 and Matthew 5:44) and is scientific like other treatments that can be medically established.

If regular science and medicine adopts spiritual healing as common knowledge and treatment, then JW can use it.

If it relies solely on Christian faith, they cannot use anything outside JW policy.

I know a secular gentile who married a JW and is best friends with a JW elder.

If we can please pray to bring this issue to JW elders and conduct medical studies, this spiritual healing will help JW save lives without blood procedures they cannot participate in either.

I believe Prince and Michael Jackson could have been saved if their addictions had been treated by spiritual healing. But their families had JW beliefs that exclude and deny this treatment.

Can we please pray. Thank you.
In the name of the Father Son and Holy Spirit may God's truth be received and revealed. Amen!


Emily:

I consider your sense of innocence precious though very naive. Even if one can overcome "generational sins" they are still lost because people are conceinved by nature as sinners. We are born of corruptible seed and that corruption is passed down the moment we are conceived!

Not every one gets healed by spiritual healing- that is up to God alone whether He will heal someone or not! And physical healing, emotiuonal healings etc. are of no eternal value.

Spiritual healing only comes when one trusts in teh death ,burial and physical resurrection of Jesus from the dead. If one does not trust this- they remain spiritually dead and lost for all eternioty. that is gods word.
 
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You casn choose to believe that Watchtower lie fi you wish, but corruption means rot not being human again! Nobody but the watchtower views corruption. In hebrew it is sahat which meant the grave. No implication of becoming human again- that is an intentional twisting of scripture.

In the NT it is diaphthora which means: that destruction which is effected by the decay of the body after death.

sorry but your Watchtower has lied to you again.

You also continue to reject what resurrection means in the original- a standing AGAIN. If Jesus died a spirit creature I would agree with you He rose as one. but He died with a body so He stood again with a body! YTOu canot have something AGAIN unless it happened at least one time before. but you know that unless they have told you to forget all rules of understanding basic words.

I really don't concern myself with what you consider a lie when the scriptures explicitly tell us that the life that Jesus had when he was a man is a human life and that human life was in his blood plus the scriptures in the book of Hebrews 10:1-10 tells us that Jesus body was offered as a sacrifice to save mankind or humanity and as I said Jesus doesn't take that offering off God's alter after he had offered it to God so that Mankind or humanity could be saved.
 

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Emily:

I consider your sense of innocence precious though very naive. Even if one can overcome "generational sins" they are still lost because people are conceinved by nature as sinners. We are born of corruptible seed and that corruption is passed down the moment we are conceived!

Not every one gets healed by spiritual healing- that is up to God alone whether He will heal someone or not! And physical healing, emotiuonal healings etc. are of no eternal value.

Spiritual healing only comes when one trusts in teh death ,burial and physical resurrection of Jesus from the dead. If one does not trust this- they remain spiritually dead and lost for all eternioty. that is gods word.
Dear @Ronald Nolette
To say it in direct terms
The REAL difference in Salvation is
Capacity for Forgiveness.

The REASON unbelievers or rejectors fail is
not being able to fully forgive without Jesus and God's Grace and redemption that comes from that.

I don't disagree with you, but just state it more specifically for the audience of secular mindsets to understand WHY.

We can actually prove by scientific correlation and statistics that the degree of forgiveness and healing through Christian faith and prayer goes deeper than in cases where people aren't able to forgive.

Because we have ability to prove this correlation through medical science by documenting the statistics, I hope you can understand why I have faith we can reach more secular audiences and use this approach to "bring out the fullness of the gentiles" near the end times of the spiritual process of Jesus return to establish God's Kingdom.
 

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I really don't concern myself with what you consider a lie when the scriptures explicitly tell us that the life that Jesus had when he was a man is a human life and that human life was in his blood plus the scriptures in the book of Hebrews 10:1-10 tells us that Jesus body was offered as a sacrifice to save mankind or humanity and as I said Jesus doesn't take that offering off God's alter after he had offered it to God so that Mankind or humanity could be saved.

Well when you stand before God you will eternally regret believing this lie.

Jesus said that if the Pharisees destroyed His body (which they did at Calvary) in three days He would raise His body from the grave which He did!

John 2:18-22
King James Version

18 Then answered the Jews and said unto him, What sign shewest thou unto us, seeing that thou doest these things?

19 Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.

20 Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days?

21 But he spake of the temple of his body.

22 When therefore he was risen from the dead, his disciples remembered that he had said this unto them; and they believed the scripture, and the word which Jesus had said.

Even that abomination called the "New Word Translation" shows Jesus meant His body:

21 But he was talking about the temple of his body

Once again even the word resurrected:

egeirō (Key)


Dictionary Aids
Vine's Expository Dictionary: rise (36x), raise (28x), arise (27x), raise up (23x), rise up (8x), rise again (5x), raise again (4x), miscellaneous (10x).
Outline of Biblical Usage [?]
  1. to arouse, cause to rise

    1. to arouse from sleep, to awake

    2. to arouse from the sleep of death, to recall the dead to life
  2. and resurrection:
Act 2:31

He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption.

anastasis (Key)
  1. a raising up, rising (e.g. from a seat)

  2. a rising from the dead

    1. that of Christ

    2. that of all men at the end of this present age

    3. the resurrection of certain ones history who were restored to life (Heb. 11:35)
  3. I believe because it was prophesied as John showed in his passage and that the words used cannot allow for a "spiritual; resurrection" I am saddened you listen to the philosophy of men over the simple plain reading of Gods word.
I also know how pressured you are to not accept anything other than what the "elders" teach and how you can be disfellowshipped. but what is worse believing a lie and being condemned to an eternal punishment or lsoing that fellowship and gaining eternal life and fellowship with countless millions more?
 

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Dear @Ronald Nolette
To say it in direct terms
The REAL difference in Salvation is
Capacity for Forgiveness.

The REASON unbelievers or rejectors fail is
not being able to fully forgive without Jesus and God's Grace and redemption that comes from that.

I don't disagree with you, but just state it more specifically for the audience of secular mindsets to understand WHY.

We can actually prove by scientific correlation and statistics that the degree of forgiveness and healing through Christian faith and prayer goes deeper than in cases where people aren't able to forgive.

Because we have ability to prove this correlation through medical science by documenting the statistics, I hope you can understand why I have faith we can reach more secular audiences and use this approach to "bring out the fullness of the gentiles" near the end times of the spiritual process of Jesus return to establish God's Kingdom.


YOur specifically stated is just wrong! I am sorry Emily but slavation is by faith in the death and resurrection of Jesus. Alone! without anything else.

Only those who are saved and have the Holy Spirit living in them can practice what you termed Christian forgiveness. Human nature cannot produce true divine forgiveness. it takes God living within someone to be able to forgive as God forgives.
 

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YOur specifically stated is just wrong! I am sorry Emily but slavation is by faith in the death and resurrection of Jesus. Alone! without anything else.

Only those who are saved and have the Holy Spirit living in them can practice what you termed Christian forgiveness. Human nature cannot produce true divine forgiveness. it takes God living within someone to be able to forgive as God forgives.
Yes we are saying the same thing.

The really deep generational sins cannot be changed without receiving the healing prayers in Christ.

So people will stay stuck in unforgiveness if they reject this Authority of Jesus as the only way to break free from the bondage of past sins sealed by unforgiveness.

It is the SAME process @Ronald Nolette

But applying science to document the changes in people, before and after receiving and going through the process of Christian spiritual healing, allows greater understanding of HOW the process works.

HOW the forgiveness in Christ heals and cures people.

We still have to choose it by faith.

Just because science can show us WHY the Authority and Faith in Christ Jesus is the unique force behind the spiritual healing process

DOES NOT make it any less dependent on FAITH in Christ Jesus and DOES NOT make it works or some other condition.

It IS the process that is unique in Christ Jesus.

It is just documenting that process not replacing it or adding or changing conditions.

Like Thomas feeling and examining the wound to describe it in greater detail.
 

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I need to make this more clear @Ronald Nolette

The spiritual healing FOLLOWS the faith.

Like works FOLLOW faith.

These works happen to be able to be medically documented so people can understand the RESULTS of the process.

The actual faith remains exactly as you stated it.

This is just a step that FOLLOWS from that so people can examine the wounds before and after to see the healing that takes place as part of the PEACE or Holy Spirit that accompanies Jesus.

Just receiving testimony of others is not enough. But this helps to understamd the testimony of others as REAL.

People STILL have to go through the process choice and steps of receiving Jesus and faith in Christ for Salvation.

Sharing the results of the healing and peace helps to teach and explain it is UNIVERSAL.
It works for ALL people who agree to receive this healing by forgiveness through Prayers in Christ Jesus.
 
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Jesus said that if the Pharisees destroyed His body (which they did at Calvary) in three days He would raise His body from the grave which He did!

No. Jesus did NOT raise himself from the dead. That is a lie. Scripture clearly states that God - in his unitarian nature - raised Jesus from the dead.

Acts 17:31
The Voice

31 He has fixed a day of accountability, when the whole world will be justly evaluated by a new, higher standard: not by a statue, but by a living man. God selected this man and made Him credible to all by raising Him from the dead.

 

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Yes we are saying the same thing.

The really deep generational sins cannot be changed without receiving the healing prayers in Christ.

So people will stay stuck in unforgiveness if they reject this Authority of Jesus as the only way to break free from the bondage of past sins sealed by unforgiveness.

It is the SAME process @Ronald Nolette

But applying science to document the changes in people, before and after receiving and going through the process of Christian spiritual healing, allows greater understanding of HOW the process works.

HOW the forgiveness in Christ heals and cures people.

We still have to choose it by faith.

Just because science can show us WHY the Authority and Faith in Christ Jesus is the unique force behind the spiritual healing process

DOES NOT make it any less dependent on FAITH in Christ Jesus and DOES NOT make it works or some other condition.

It IS the process that is unique in Christ Jesus.

It is just documenting that process not replacing it or adding or changing conditions.

Like Thomas feeling and examining the wound to describe it in greater detail.


Perhaps we are are saying the same thing but in very different ways. We may have learned to say these things in different ways based on where we grew in the faith.
I do not know how proficient your english, I see your last name is very asian. But I will accept we are conveying the same doctrine in just differently worded ways. I was concerned for your words hinted of other beliefs.
 
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No. Jesus did NOT raise himself from the dead. That is a lie. Scripture clearly states that God - in his unitarian nature - raised Jesus from the dead.

Acts 17:31
The Voice

31 He has fixed a day of accountability, when the whole world will be justly evaluated by a new, higher standard: not by a statue, but by a living man. God selected this man and made Him credible to all by raising Him from the dead.

Scrip-ture says the Father raised jesus. Scripture also say8s the son raised HImself, and the Spirit raised Jesus and God raised jesus! Father, Son and Holy Spirit!

John 2:19
Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.

Who did Jesus SAY would raise the temple of His body here?

I don't argue Acts 17 though I question your use of such a poor paraphrase to quote from.
 
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