Freedom To Sin

[Michiah-Imla]

leads us in not sinning.

Then why are you arguing with me?

LOL!

 

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Then why are you arguing with me?

LOL!

I don't mean to argue . . . only to say, we are reconciled to God, so we don't have to sin. But if we do sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus, Who ever lives to make intercession for us. We are safe in Him.

Much love!

 

[dev553344]

No one alive has any right to claim salvation, or to think they are saved, is that right? We will only know once we have died and are judged?

Much love!

Yes, we are not the judges. Christ has retained that right as savior. The benchmark of all that is holy and good. Let Christ judge us and who is worthy. I cannot say anyone is not worthy of salvation. But I also cannot say I am worthy of salvation. So am I saved? God will know after my earthly chapter is finished and my works are done.

 

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Yes, we are not the judges. Christ has retained that right as savior. The benchmark of all that is holy and good. Let Christ judge us and who is worthy. I cannot say anyone is not worthy of salvation. But I also cannot say I am worthy of salvation. So am I saved? God will know after my earthly chapter is finished and my works are done.

1 John 3:1-3 KJV
1) Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.
2) Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.
3) And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.

How can we know this?

1 John 5:12-13 KJV
12) He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.
13) These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.

Much love!

 

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Having a form of godliness,

Romans 6:4-13 KJV
4) Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
5) For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
6) Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
7) For he that is dead is freed from sin.
8) Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him:
9) Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him.
10) For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God.
11) Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.
12) Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.
13) Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God.

Much love!

 

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For when they speak great swelling words of vanity, they allure through the lusts of the flesh, through much wantonness, those that were clean escaped from them who live in error.
While they promise them liberty, they themselves are the servants of corruption: for of whom a man is overcome, of the same is he brought in bondage.
For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.
For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.
But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire. (2 Peter 2:18-22)

The ONE thing to remember above all, if you are born again, is that by trusting in Jesus to make it so for you, you can walk in the Holy Spirit, NOW. No waiting. You already have all you need for life and godliness. But if you refuse to believe that, you will not walk in it. Trust Him in this.

Much love!

 

[farouk]

One question I have is for some certain vices are a sin and for others they aren't....
Now I grew up having parents that moved alot...with each move I attended a different denomination....when I was 16 I attended a Methodist church....after service the adults would gather in the fellowship room and chat and smoke cigarettes and drink wine....
I thought all that stuff was a sin so I was in shock....i didn't go back.
But it wasn't a sin to them....and this is where we work out our own salvation with fear and trembling....
Scripture teaches us to have faith before God...
Romans 14 (KJV)
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¹⁶ Let not then your good be evil spoken of:
¹⁷ For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost.
¹⁸ For he that in these things serveth Christ is acceptable to God, and approved of men.
¹⁹ Let us therefore follow after the things which make for peace, and things wherewith one may edify another.
²⁰ For meat destroy not the work of God. All things indeed are pure; but it is evil for that man who eateth with offence.
²¹ It is good neither to eat flesh, nor to drink wine, nor any thing whereby thy brother stumbleth, or is offended, or is made weak.
²² Hast thou faith? have it to thyself before God. Happy is he that condemneth not himself in that thing which he alloweth.
²³ And he that doubteth is damned if he eat, because he eateth not of faith: for whatsoever is not of faith is sin.

That last sentence is especially revealing....whatever is not of faith is sin....

But back to committing sin....most assured The 10 Commandments should be obeyed and all denominations agree with this...
But that other stuff...I will work out my own salvation on it....it is when the Holy Spirit convicts my heart that I know I have sinned and am being drawn to repent.
God Bless...

@Heart2Soul I don't want to smoke or drink wine, but if other ppl do it's none of my business. I do agree with the abiding relevance of Romans 14, indeed. I think you said you gave up smoking; while this indeed can be sanctified to individuals, yet giving up smoking is not directly about believing the Gospel. (Even Spurgeon smoked. Historically, so did many women after church, prior to the American Civil War.)

 

[Desire Of All Nations]

We are referring to the same reality, using different words.

Higher or lower nature... Godly or Satanic... good and not-so-good...

We are not the same as other animals, but as humans we share with animals everything that makes an animal so... we have bodies and built-in instincts at a baser level than our higher thinking... so we are certainly animals by body and mind, only we are so much more (the capacity for intellect, capacity to be self-aware, to communicate in words, capacity to reason or to seek).

Gen.1 says animals were made after their own kind and that human beings were made after the God kind. Unless the Bible shows animals and God as being of the same species, we are most certainly not talking about the same reality here.

 

[David H.]

4) Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.

Walking is an action we must take, You cannot walk unless you place one foot in front of the other. When You walk you move in a direction, You can walk forward or move backwards But either way there is a destination. Putting to death the flesh is merely the start of the Journey of a saint, Just like renewing the Mind is the Start of our sanctification by the Holy Spirit. It is time you get off the starting line and start walking, instead of making excuses why you need not move from where you are at. It is like the Person who was given the one talent and he buried it in the ground and did nothing with it.

That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus. (Ephesians 2:7)
For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them. (Ephesians 2:10)

 

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It is time you get off the starting line and start walking,

It's rather time for you to end your campaign against me.

Just get over it . . . we disagree over whether we already have what need for a godly life now, or whether we are waiting for a second baptism so that we can finally live godly lives.

I'm certain there is much else we may agree on, just not that.

There is only one reason I know why someone acts the way you are. Please prove me wrong, and let it go.

Much love!

 

[David H.]

The ONE thing to remember above all, if you are born again, is that by trusting in Jesus to make it so for you, you can walk in the Holy Spirit, NOW. No waiting. You already have all you need for life and godliness. But if you refuse to believe that, you will not walk in it. Trust Him in this.

This is where you are guilty of double speak yourself. because you say one thing to me and something totally different to "Adderall", and since she is ignoring me she will not be offended. You are Justifying her inaction and complacency and it is obvious to anyone reading your interactions here with her. These again are observations. Now if you are truly walking inn the Holy Spirit, where is the fruit meet for repentance? Where is the conviction of the Holy Ghost of sin? If we are complete when we are saved to begin with why so much encouragement and frustration in the apostles writings of the failure to grow Spiritually? If You are complete in him where are your works greater than those of the Son of Man? When have you moved mountains? Excorcized demons? Prophesied? What principalities and powers have you overcome? When was the last time you demonstrated the Power of the Spirit in the church?

Your double speak is nothing more than you deceiving yourself and self deception is the hardest form of deception to expose. and in the process of deceiving yourself you are making Proselytes the likes of "Adderall" and making them just like yourself making excuses for their inaction and complacency. Get off the starting line and start walking and in so doing you will begin to encourage others to walk as well....

 

[David H.]

It's rather time for you to end your campaign against me.

My "campaign" is not against you personally but the theology you espouse.

 

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Of course the idea behind this thread is a simple truth, which many don't understand, and many pervert, and many falsely accuse.

In Christ, we are forever absolved of all guilt of sin. For those who would pervert this truth, either towards themself, or as an accusation to another, turn it into, you are free to sin sin sin all you want.

But those who will receive this as the Gospel message of Christ, you are free to not sin. The power of sin is broken, in our being crucifed with Christ. And the motions of sin in our members, which were by the Law, have been stilled.

In this truth - In Christ - we are forgiven - In this truth, In Christ, we are truly free!

There are many passages of Scripture which teach these things. Meditate upon them, search the Scriptures, let them reform your mind, and learn that you are truly free!

Much love!

 

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This is where you are guilty of double speak yourself. because you say one

No, actually, the truth is, the ONE thing to remember above all, if you are born again, is that by trusting in Jesus to make it so for you, you can walk in the Holy Spirit, NOW. No waiting. You already have all you need for life and godliness. But if you refuse to believe that, you will not walk in it. Trust Him in this.

Much love!

 

[marks]

Just a reminder to all . . .

Continuing on then in a nicer way . . .

Please let's all remember . . . speak to what you know, and of yourself, not others. We're here to talk about the teachings of the Bible, and not share our opinions of other people.

Remember bounderies, respect others, stay on point.

These are my requests.

Much love!

 

[David H.]

No, actually, the truth is, the ONE thing to remember above all, if you are born again, is that by trusting in Jesus to make it so for you, you can walk in the Holy Spirit, NOW. No waiting. You already have all you need for life and godliness. But if you refuse to believe that, you will not walk in it. Trust Him in this.

Herein lies the error in your theology which leads to complacency and inaction. Walking is an action and has a direction and implies a journey, Your theology is one of no walking, no journey and inaction..... basically faith without works.... a belief that belief is all we need, but the devils in hell also believe and tremble. Faith without works is dead (James 2:26) Works always follow faith, And by works faith is made perfect (James 2:22)

Peter writes of this Process When he speaks of the things we are to add to our faith in 2 Peter 1:5-10, which your theology has no room for for if we are "Complete" already why do we need to add to our faith anything? So Yes we have all we need for Godliness but we have to apply what we are given in our own lives and walk in the journey to Holiness, and put our faith to action, and thereby produce the fruit of the Spirit, or we can remain a fruitless branch that does not abide in the vine and withers and dies.

 

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Walking is an action and has a direction and implies a journey, Your theology is one of no walking, no journey and inaction.....

Nonsense. This is merely your empty and spiteful accusation. Or worse.

 

[David H.]

Just a reminder to all . . .

Nonsense. This is merely your empty and spiteful accusation. Or worse.

Your theology is based on half truths, On partial belief, belief without action and when i criticize your theology you take it personally, this is where you get offended. You cannot handle constructive criticism for you think you have the whole truth and have it all figured out, But your knowledge is no greater than Paul who said he only knew in part. In Christ Jesus when we are walking in the Spirit there is growth to be had, there is learning to be done, there is overcoming involved we are continually growing in grace and in the work of the Holy Ghost and we are continually becoming more fruitful.... Why is this so hard for you to receive? Do you know the whole council of God? If you can freely admit this then you can say with Paul I only know in part. Can others have parts of the truth that you do not of that whole council of God? Absolutely, to each is apportioned as he will so that at some time the whole body can be knit together in Love (Colossians 2:2) The pride of man has to be overcome in order for this to occur, there is both Spiritual pride and intellectual pride, both of which lead to a hardened heart. How do we overcome Human pride, By walking in the Spirit... simple answer.

 

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Colossians 2:8-12 KJV
8) Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.
9) For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.
10) And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:
11) In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:
12) Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.

2 Peter 1:2-4 KJV
2) Grace and peace be multiplied unto you through the knowledge of God, and of Jesus our Lord,
3) According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue:
4) Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.

In Him we overcome all things!

Much love!

 

[Wynona]

In 1 Corinthians 15, Paul says they had heard him preach the gospel, had received it, and stand in it, and they are saved:


1Co 15:1 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;


1Co 15:2 By which also ye are saved,


That’s it’s right? Done deal, their salvation forever settled, end of debate, OSAS is true.


EXCEPT.


Paul’s next words make their salvation conditional, by warning them that though they’d heard the gospel, received it, stand in it, and ARE SAVED, that they can end up believing IN VAIN, ifthey don’t keep in mind all that he taught them:


1Co 15:1 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;


1Co 15:2 By which also ye are saved, IF - ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have BELIEVED IN VAIN.


What was it that Paul preached them, that they had to keep in memory that he had preached it to them, that can affect their salvation, and cause their receiving the gospel, standing in it, and being saved, to be IN VAIN?


He taught them that he has to control and subjugate his flesh daily, lest after preaching to others, he himself would end up a CASTAWAY - adokimos in the Greek. - a reprobate (rejected by God as one that failed the test).


1Co 9:27 But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway.


By subjugation of his body, Paul refers to the flesh, the fleshly desire to sin, i e, commit works of the flesh, as seen in another of Paul’s warnings to the saints, to the brethren, about living sinfully.


Gal 5:16 This - I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.


Gal 5:17 For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.


Gal 5:18 But IF ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.


Gal 5:19 Now the WORKS OF THE FLESH are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,


Gal 5:20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,


Gal 5:21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell YOU again, as I have also told youin time past, that they which DO such things shall NOT inherit the kingdom of God.


He also warned the brethren to examine themselves to see if they were still in the faith, or had become reprobate:


2Co 13:5 Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?


Paul in fact gave warning after warning to the brethren, to be not deceived, about the consequences of living a lifestyle of sinning, such as being an adulterer, or drunkard, or thief, etc.


He warned the brethren that some of them were THIEVES because they’d defrauded their brethren, then warned the church against being deceived into thinking they could steal, or commit other serious sins, and still enter into the kingdom of heaven


1Co 6:8 Nay, ye do wrong, and DEFRAUD, and that your - BRETHREN.


1Co 6:9 Know yenot that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? BE NOT DECEIVED, neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,


1Co 6:10 Nor THIEVES (such as those who DEFRAUD the BRETHREN) nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, SHALL INHERIT THE KINGDOM OF GOD.


Notice in verse 11 he states that some of the brethren used to live that way, but stopped after salvation - but we’ve already seen that some of them were ALSO living in sin by defrauding their brethren and stealing from them:


1Co 6:11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.


There’s no OSAS in Paul’s many warnings to the brethren and saints about living sinfully as believers.


Eph 5:3 But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh SAINTS.


Eph 5:4 Neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor jesting, which are not convenient: but rather giving of thanks.


Eph 5:5 For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath ANY inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.


Eph 5:6 Let no man DECEIVE YOU with vain words: for because of these things cometh the WRATH of God upon the childrenof disobedience.


Eph 5:7 Be not YE therefore partakers WITH them.


1Ti 3:2 A church leader must be without fault; he must have only one wife, be sober, self-controlled, and orderly; he must welcome strangers in his home; he must be able to teach;

1Ti 3:3 he must not be a drunkard or a violent man, but gentle and peaceful; he must not love money;

1Ti 3:4 he must be able to manage his own family well and make his children obey him with all respect.

1Ti 3:5 For if a man does not know how to manage his own family, how can he take care of the church of God?

1Ti 3:6 He must be mature in the faith, so that he will not swell up with pride and be condemned, as the Devil was.

So were not gonna address Curtis' post with these verses and the clear warnings?

Im waiting for a good response to this!