The Second Coming of Christ...

[BroRando]

The Fulfillment of Prophecies are 'a timed event' and so there is no need for me to persuade or convince the reader if they have not yet gained 'Spiritual Insight' at this late stage of Satan's System of things. The scriptures are clear about the time of the end. "Many will cleanse themselves and whiten themselves and will be refined. And the wicked ones will act wickedly, and none of the wicked will understand; but those having insight will understand." (Daniel 12:10) Read more...

Look! He is coming with the clouds, and every EYE will see him, and those who pierced him; and all the tribes of the earth will beat themselves in grief because of him. Yes, Amen. (Revelation 1:7)

The scripture doesn't state that the every eye will see him in a physical appearance but rather "to see with the mind".

The Greek word used in (Revelation 1:7) for SEE is horaó. Which means to SEE or perceive as "to see with the mind".
Strong's Concordance
horaó: to see, perceive, attend to
Original Word: ὁράω
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: horaó
Phonetic Spelling: (hor-ah'-o)
Definition: to see, perceive, attend to
Usage: I see, look upon, experience, perceive, discern, beware.

HELPS Word-studies
3708 horáō – properly, see, often with metaphorical meaning: "to see with the mind" (i.e. spiritually see), i.e. perceive (with inward spiritual perception).

 

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Look! He is coming with the clouds, and every EYE will see him, and those who pierced him; and all the tribes of the earth will beat themselves in grief because of him. Yes, Amen. (Revelation 1:7)

The scripture doesn't state that the every eye will see him in a physical appearance but rather "to see with the mind".

In this instance, the organ "seeing" is in fact the eye. You do not see with the eye something "in the mind's eye".

Much love!

 

[Ezra]

The scripture doesn't state that the every eye will see him in a physical appearance but rather "to see with the mind".

you best get out of that old watch tower bible and stop being deceived .no place in scripture in any place does it say we see in our mind. that is head salvation your travelling down the wrong path .the Bible says The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light. the eyes are the windows of the soul . this is not imagination. its the real deal your playing with STRANGE FIRE .

 

[BroRando]

The Greek word used in (Revelation 1:7) for SEE is horaó. Which means to SEE or perceive as "to see with the mind". It's spiritual.

HELPS Word-studies
3708 horáō – properly, see, often with metaphorical meaning:

• "to see with the mind" (i.e. spiritually see),
• i.e. perceive (with inward spiritual perception).

But a physical man does not accept the things of the spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; and he cannot get to know them, because they are examined spiritually. (1 Corinthians 2:24) As the Last Days come to their End you can apply the following scripture, "Let the one who is unrighteous continue in unrighteousness, and let the filthy one continue in his filth; but let the righteous one continue in righteousness, and let the holy one continue in holiness." (Rev 22:11) With this timed revelation, the good news will no longer be offered but rather 'a turning away from ungodly mankind'. (2 Timothy 3:5) and (Matthew 24:14)

Therefore, those who have been abandoned will be dying the second death in the same manner as Adam and Eve.

 

[Ezra]

The Greek word used in (Revelation 1:7) for SEE is horaó. Which means to SEE or perceive as "to see with the mind". It's spiritual.

HELPS Word-studies
3708 horáō – properly, see, often with metaphorical meaning:

• "to see with the mind" (i.e. spiritually see),
• i.e. perceive (with inward spiritual perception).

But a physical man does not accept the things of the spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; and he cannot get to know them, because they are examined spiritually. (1 Corinthians 2:24) As the Last Days come to their End you can apply the following scripture, "Let the one who is unrighteous continue in unrighteousness, and let the filthy one continue in his filth; but let the righteous one continue in righteousness, and let the holy one continue in holiness." (Rev 22:11) With this timed revelation, the good news will no longer be offered but rather 'a turning away from ungodly mankind'. (2 Timothy 3:5) and (Matthew 24:14)

Therefore, those who have been abandoned will be dying the second death in the same manner as Adam and Eve.

false doctrine

 

[Ronald Nolette]

i am not into time other than time is at hand and knowing the time now is high time we awake .....the rest i just have to be ready

Me as well! but I was not the one who brought up a day is the same as a thousand years as a rule of scripural timekeeping. I have been commenting on that issue specifically.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

The Greek word used in (Revelation 1:7) for SEE is horaó. Which means to SEE or perceive as "to see with the mind". It's spiritual.

HELPS Word-studies
3708 horáō – properly, see, often with metaphorical meaning:

• "to see with the mind" (i.e. spiritually see),
• i.e. perceive (with inward spiritual perception).

But a physical man does not accept the things of the spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; and he cannot get to know them, because they are examined spiritually. (1 Corinthians 2:24) As the Last Days come to their End you can apply the following scripture, "Let the one who is unrighteous continue in unrighteousness, and let the filthy one continue in his filth; but let the righteous one continue in righteousness, and let the holy one continue in holiness." (Rev 22:11) With this timed revelation, the good news will no longer be offered but rather 'a turning away from ungodly mankind'. (2 Timothy 3:5) and (Matthew 24:14)

Therefore, those who have been abandoned will be dying the second death in the same manner as Adam and Eve.

YOu sir are now guilty of lying! The Greek word in REv. 1:7 is ophthalmos and only means visual seeing! Why did you intentionally twist the scriptures? Hoping no one would catch you promulgating a watchtower lie maybe?

This word is a derivative of : (opsetai) and occurs only four times in Scripture. all other occurrences are to visually see so there is no warrant to conlcude this to be metaphorical (to perceive or understand)

 

[BroRando]

YOu sir are now guilty of lying! The Greek word in REv. 1:7 is ophthalmos and only means visual seeing! Why did you intentionally twist the scriptures? Hoping no one would catch you promulgating a watchtower lie maybe?

This word is a derivative of : (opsetai) and occurs only four times in Scripture. all other occurrences are to visually see so there is no warrant to conlcude this to be metaphorical (to perceive or understand)

YES and one of those is at (Revelation 1:7) 1. the eye 2. metaph. the eyes of the mind, the faculty of knowing

The NAS New Testament Greek Lexicon
Strong's Number: 3788
Original Word Word Origin
ofqalmoß from (3700)
Transliterated Word TDNT Entry
Ophthalmos 5:375,706
Phonetic Spelling Parts of Speech
of-thal-mos' Noun Masculine
Definition

1. the eye
2. metaph. the eyes of the mind, the faculty of knowing

Only a person with eyes of faith can SEE.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

YES and one of those is at (Revelation 1:7) 1. the eye 2. metaph. the eyes of the mind, the faculty of knowing

The NAS New Testament Greek Lexicon
Strong's Number: 3788
Original Word Word Origin
ofqalmoß from (3700)
Transliterated Word TDNT Entry
Ophthalmos 5:375,706
Phonetic Spelling Parts of Speech
of-thal-mos' Noun Masculine
Definition

1. the eye
2. metaph. the eyes of the mind, the faculty of knowing

Only a person with eyes of faith can SEE.

Says you , but the bible says differently.

Jesus left visibly and as is shown in revelation 19 will return visibly to make war against those who are against HIm.

And in order to go to a secondary definition you have to have a reason. There is no reason to go to understanding. Especially in light of Matt. 24 when jesus sits down o HIs throne on planet earth and judges the sheep and goats!

 

[Ezra]

Me as well! but I was not the one who brought up a day is the same as a thousand years as a rule of scripural timekeeping. I have been commenting on that issue specifically.

the scripture speaks for it self . so a day could equal a thousand years .its all in his timing not ours

 

[Ronald Nolette]

the scripture speaks for it self . so a day could equal a thousand years .its all in his timing not ours

only when one mishandles the word and takes that passage out iof its context to apply randomly at will.

So then you believe that the thousand years of REv. 19&20 could simply be a 24 hour day then? OKay!

 

[Ezra]

So then you believe that the thousand years of REv. 19&20 could simply be a 24 hour day then? OKay!

no i stated scripture and said God timeline and ours are not the same. i dont sweat the small stuff it all turns out exactly How the good Lord wants it.. regardless what man thinks. its call the pan millennium doctrine. live your life for Jesus it will all pan out

 

[Ronald Nolette]

no i stated scripture and said God timeline and ours are not the same. i dont sweat the small stuff it all turns out exactly How the good Lord wants it.. regardless what man thinks. its call the pan millennium doctrine. live your life for Jesus it will all pan out

So why did you bother to even write that it is possible that a day could be a thousand years and vice versa? If it all pans out, why bother to write and state an opinion? Especially one that uses a metaphor anbd then trying to make it a time measurement for God??

 

[Ezra]

So why did you bother to even write that it is possible that a day could be a thousand years and vice versa? If it all pans out, why bother to write and state an opinion? Especially one that uses a metaphor anbd then trying to make it a time measurement for God??

why ask why .i didnt realize there was a clause on how or what i post. its called discussion . curious as to why it bothers you so much. besides i think you missed the point on pan millennium . if you really want to get concerned i can introduce you to a old time preacher man that would really ruffle things on end times

 

[Ronald Nolette]

why ask why .i didnt realize there was a clause on how or what i post. its called discussion . curious as to why it bothers you so much. besides i think you missed the point on pan millennium . if you really want to get concerned i can introduce you to a old time preacher man that would really ruffle things on end times

Why it bothers me? I am a Bible teacher. I care abvout all aspects of Gods Word. so that makes me a little anal about how verses are allegorized and ripped out of context. After 47 years of walking with the Lord I have seen too many wierd doctrines spring up that place dates, time, and locations of the rapture, second coming et. al. all based on a simply8 taking a passage, misapplying it and then making a doctrine out of it. That is why it bothers me. I have seen too many saints hurt and dissillusioned because they succumbed to slick believers who promoted a lie.

 

[Ezra]

Why it bothers me? I am a Bible teacher. I care abvout all aspects of Gods Word. so that makes me a little anal about how verses are allegorized and ripped out of context. After 47 years of walking with the Lord I have seen too many wierd doctrines spring up that place dates, time, and locations of the rapture, second coming et. al. all based on a simply8 taking a passage, misapplying it and then making a doctrine out of it. That is why it bothers me. I have seen too many saints hurt and dissillusioned because they succumbed to slick believers who promoted a lie.

while i honor your years as a Bible teacher . let me assure you i dont do weird doctrines in fact i do very little Bible prophecy only for my own use. so when i post scriptures of what peter says a day as a thousand years and year as a thousand years. that is exactly what it says nothing more nothing less .i been in this walk pretty close to 27 years 22 of it them preaching. i dont preach time lines other than he will come quickly and be ready as that day will come as a thief in the night.. so with your 47 years you should be able recognize flaky off the wall teaching.. not assume it might be over 1 scripture . i consider myself i straight up/forward person. i clarified what i meant and you assumed i was some way off out this world teacher. si it bother me that you might think i am as clouds on a hot day that thunders . but has no rain

 

[Ezra]

So why did you bother to even write that it is possible that a day could be a thousand years and vice versa?

because that is what it says am i correct i mean gezz i am not a J.W or Mormon

 

[Ronald Nolette]

while i honor your years as a Bible teacher . let me assure you i dont do weird doctrines in fact i do very little Bible prophecy only for my own use. so when i post scriptures of what peter says a day as a thousand years and year as a thousand years. that is exactly what it says nothing more nothing less .i been in this walk pretty close to 27 years 22 of it them preaching. i dont preach time lines other than he will come quickly and be ready as that day will come as a thief in the night.. so with your 47 years you should be able recognize flaky off the wall teaching.. not assume it might be over 1 scripture . i consider myself i straight up/forward person. i clarified what i meant and you assumed i was some way off out this world teacher. si it bother me that you might think i am as clouds on a hot day that thunders . but has no rain

Unfortunately where teh verse about a day=1,000 defines what i s being said! That verse does not stand by itself without any context!

2 Peter 3
King James Version

3 This second epistle, beloved, I now write unto you; in both which I stir up your pure minds by way of remembrance:

2 That ye may be mindful of the words which were spoken before by the holy prophets, and of the commandment of us the apostles of the Lord and Saviour:

3 Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,

4 And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.

5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:

6 Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:

7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.

8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.


When you understand where this metaphoir is be3ing said and what the context is, it should protect you from applying this metaphor to REv. 20

 

[Ronald Nolette]

because that is what it says am i correct i mean gezz i am not a J.W or Mormon

But you rip it out of the context it was written in to misapply it elsewhere like a Mormon or JW.

 

[Ezra]

But you rip it out of the context it was written in to misapply it elsewhere like a Mormon or JW.

i have ripped nothing out of context . i said in God eyes does he have a 12 month colander hanging on his office wall ? i doubt it .. do me a favor go back to teaching and dont be bothering me