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I don't mean to argue . . . only to say, we are reconciled to God, so we don't have to sin. But if we do sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus, Who ever lives to make intercession for us. We are safe in Him.Then why are you arguing with me?
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Yes, we are not the judges. Christ has retained that right as savior. The benchmark of all that is holy and good. Let Christ judge us and who is worthy. I cannot say anyone is not worthy of salvation. But I also cannot say I am worthy of salvation. So am I saved? God will know after my earthly chapter is finished and my works are done.No one alive has any right to claim salvation, or to think they are saved, is that right? We will only know once we have died and are judged?
Much love!
Yes, we are not the judges. Christ has retained that right as savior. The benchmark of all that is holy and good. Let Christ judge us and who is worthy. I cannot say anyone is not worthy of salvation. But I also cannot say I am worthy of salvation. So am I saved? God will know after my earthly chapter is finished and my works are done.
Having a form of godliness,
For when they speak great swelling words of vanity, they allure through the lusts of the flesh, through much wantonness, those that were clean escaped from them who live in error.
While they promise them liberty, they themselves are the servants of corruption: for of whom a man is overcome, of the same is he brought in bondage.
For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.
For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.
But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire. (2 Peter 2:18-22)
@Heart2Soul I don't want to smoke or drink wine, but if other ppl do it's none of my business. I do agree with the abiding relevance of Romans 14, indeed. I think you said you gave up smoking; while this indeed can be sanctified to individuals, yet giving up smoking is not directly about believing the Gospel. (Even Spurgeon smoked. Historically, so did many women after church, prior to the American Civil War.)One question I have is for some certain vices are a sin and for others they aren't....
Now I grew up having parents that moved alot...with each move I attended a different denomination....when I was 16 I attended a Methodist church....after service the adults would gather in the fellowship room and chat and smoke cigarettes and drink wine....
I thought all that stuff was a sin so I was in shock....i didn't go back.
But it wasn't a sin to them....and this is where we work out our own salvation with fear and trembling....
Scripture teaches us to have faith before God...
Romans 14 (KJV)
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¹⁶ Let not then your good be evil spoken of:
¹⁷ For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost.
¹⁸ For he that in these things serveth Christ is acceptable to God, and approved of men.
¹⁹ Let us therefore follow after the things which make for peace, and things wherewith one may edify another.
²⁰ For meat destroy not the work of God. All things indeed are pure; but it is evil for that man who eateth with offence.
²¹ It is good neither to eat flesh, nor to drink wine, nor any thing whereby thy brother stumbleth, or is offended, or is made weak.
²² Hast thou faith? have it to thyself before God. Happy is he that condemneth not himself in that thing which he alloweth.
²³ And he that doubteth is damned if he eat, because he eateth not of faith: for whatsoever is not of faith is sin.
That last sentence is especially revealing....whatever is not of faith is sin....
But back to committing sin....most assured The 10 Commandments should be obeyed and all denominations agree with this...
But that other stuff...I will work out my own salvation on it....it is when the Holy Spirit convicts my heart that I know I have sinned and am being drawn to repent.
God Bless...
Gen.1 says animals were made after their own kind and that human beings were made after the God kind. Unless the Bible shows animals and God as being of the same species, we are most certainly not talking about the same reality here.We are referring to the same reality, using different words.
Higher or lower nature... Godly or Satanic... good and not-so-good...
We are not the same as other animals, but as humans we share with animals everything that makes an animal so... we have bodies and built-in instincts at a baser level than our higher thinking... so we are certainly animals by body and mind, only we are so much more (the capacity for intellect, capacity to be self-aware, to communicate in words, capacity to reason or to seek).
4) Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
It is time you get off the starting line and start walking,
The ONE thing to remember above all, if you are born again, is that by trusting in Jesus to make it so for you, you can walk in the Holy Spirit, NOW. No waiting. You already have all you need for life and godliness. But if you refuse to believe that, you will not walk in it. Trust Him in this.
It's rather time for you to end your campaign against me.
No, actually, the truth is, the ONE thing to remember above all, if you are born again, is that by trusting in Jesus to make it so for you, you can walk in the Holy Spirit, NOW. No waiting. You already have all you need for life and godliness. But if you refuse to believe that, you will not walk in it. Trust Him in this.This is where you are guilty of double speak yourself. because you say one
Continuing on then in a nicer way . . .
Please let's all remember . . . speak to what you know, and of yourself, not others. We're here to talk about the teachings of the Bible, and not share our opinions of other people.
Remember bounderies, respect others, stay on point.
These are my requests.
Much love!
No, actually, the truth is, the ONE thing to remember above all, if you are born again, is that by trusting in Jesus to make it so for you, you can walk in the Holy Spirit, NOW. No waiting. You already have all you need for life and godliness. But if you refuse to believe that, you will not walk in it. Trust Him in this.
Nonsense. This is merely your empty and spiteful accusation. Or worse.Walking is an action and has a direction and implies a journey, Your theology is one of no walking, no journey and inaction.....
Just a reminder to all . . .
Nonsense. This is merely your empty and spiteful accusation. Or worse.
In 1 Corinthians 15, Paul says they had heard him preach the gospel, had received it, and stand in it, and they are saved:
1Co 15:1 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;
1Co 15:2 By which also ye are saved,
That’s it’s right? Done deal, their salvation forever settled, end of debate, OSAS is true.
EXCEPT.
Paul’s next words make their salvation conditional, by warning them that though they’d heard the gospel, received it, stand in it, and ARE SAVED, that they can end up believing IN VAIN, ifthey don’t keep in mind all that he taught them:
1Co 15:1 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;
1Co 15:2 By which also ye are saved, IF - ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have BELIEVED IN VAIN.
What was it that Paul preached them, that they had to keep in memory that he had preached it to them, that can affect their salvation, and cause their receiving the gospel, standing in it, and being saved, to be IN VAIN?
He taught them that he has to control and subjugate his flesh daily, lest after preaching to others, he himself would end up a CASTAWAY - adokimos in the Greek. - a reprobate (rejected by God as one that failed the test).
1Co 9:27 But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway.
By subjugation of his body, Paul refers to the flesh, the fleshly desire to sin, i e, commit works of the flesh, as seen in another of Paul’s warnings to the saints, to the brethren, about living sinfully.
Gal 5:16 This - I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.
Gal 5:17 For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.
Gal 5:18 But IF ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.
Gal 5:19 Now the WORKS OF THE FLESH are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
Gal 5:20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
Gal 5:21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell YOU again, as I have also told youin time past, that they which DO such things shall NOT inherit the kingdom of God.
He also warned the brethren to examine themselves to see if they were still in the faith, or had become reprobate:
2Co 13:5 Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?
Paul in fact gave warning after warning to the brethren, to be not deceived, about the consequences of living a lifestyle of sinning, such as being an adulterer, or drunkard, or thief, etc.
He warned the brethren that some of them were THIEVES because they’d defrauded their brethren, then warned the church against being deceived into thinking they could steal, or commit other serious sins, and still enter into the kingdom of heaven
1Co 6:8 Nay, ye do wrong, and DEFRAUD, and that your - BRETHREN.
1Co 6:9 Know yenot that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? BE NOT DECEIVED, neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
1Co 6:10 Nor THIEVES (such as those who DEFRAUD the BRETHREN) nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, SHALL INHERIT THE KINGDOM OF GOD.
Notice in verse 11 he states that some of the brethren used to live that way, but stopped after salvation - but we’ve already seen that some of them were ALSO living in sin by defrauding their brethren and stealing from them:
1Co 6:11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.
There’s no OSAS in Paul’s many warnings to the brethren and saints about living sinfully as believers.
Eph 5:3 But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh SAINTS.
Eph 5:4 Neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor jesting, which are not convenient: but rather giving of thanks.
Eph 5:5 For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath ANY inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.
Eph 5:6 Let no man DECEIVE YOU with vain words: for because of these things cometh the WRATH of God upon the childrenof disobedience.
Eph 5:7 Be not YE therefore partakers WITH them.
1Ti 3:2 A church leader must be without fault; he must have only one wife, be sober, self-controlled, and orderly; he must welcome strangers in his home; he must be able to teach;
1Ti 3:3 he must not be a drunkard or a violent man, but gentle and peaceful; he must not love money;
1Ti 3:4 he must be able to manage his own family well and make his children obey him with all respect.
1Ti 3:5 For if a man does not know how to manage his own family, how can he take care of the church of God?
1Ti 3:6 He must be mature in the faith, so that he will not swell up with pride and be condemned, as the Devil was.