It just means to bring out what is there.
That's my normal response to these sorts of queries. Break down the passage to show what it is really saying.
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That's my normal response to these sorts of queries. Break down the passage to show what it is really saying.
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Me too ... I actually get excited in my spirit when I see someone within the forums that preaches GRACE... there are a few and it's like YES!!!!!!
We can start with this one.
In your view it seems that to "believe in vain" means that someone has believed, and been saved, but have become unsaved.
Believing in vain would be to have an empty and meaningless belief. How is such a person born again? If they say they believe, but it means nothing to them?
"By which also ye are saved, IF - ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have BELIEVED IN VAIN."
Believing in vain does not yield salvation.
Your thoughts?
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How does Romans 8 define what it means when it says, "walk after the flesh"?
It does. How?
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In all honesty, I truly wish others would just stick to the Scriptures and the topics, instead of all this deflection through insults and innuendo. I think there are those who are truly blind to how they act towards other. But then, maybe not, I have to remember, some people are like that on purpose.
There could be very interesting and productive discussion, except that so often when someone lacks a good response, they choose to post a very poor one.
It's too bad!
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Do You see me promoting a position? A Doctrine? A denomination? We all know in part, and a truly wise man or woman will acknowledge this And Learn Both in fellowship with one another and being taught by the Holy Ghost the Mysteries of the Wisdom of God. There are strong brothers and sisters in Christ who hold to all those positions, But most are stuck in one position or the other in state of complacency thinking their man is thebest teacher whether that be Calvin or Luther or Wesley etc. They are the ones following man made teachings and doctrines of men. Charles Haddon Spurgeon was a Calvinist, Which you would have discovered if you listened to the sermon, But he was Holy Spirit taught and his positions were the remedy for the day in which he lived Tozer is a type of Arminaian in what he taught, and he was Holy Ghost taught and was a voice for His generation, who saw both the benefit of the fundamentalist movement and its downfall. Both were men of God called to teach and preach for their particular age. We are living in the final age of the church, and Prophecy speaks of this age more than most because this is the age of the unity of the Spirit which counters the false unity of the world and its one world religion and one world government Based on iron mixing with clay.
People who are still living in fighting for one side of the debate or the other are still in their infancy and have yet to begin to walk in the Spirit. They Lack the vision to see what is happening in the Spiritual world That is being shown to those who are Spirit taught and when they are presented with these Unifying Ideals they immediately counter with their particular brand of Doctrine. By far the most guilty of this are the fundamentalist textualist who using Their doctrine gang up on those who have this vision as you are seeing here When their faith is being challenged and their doctrine being drawn into question, and then they cry to the moderators how they are being attacked. But it is this doctrine based on half truths and passages taken out of the full context upon which they build their doctrine on which is partial truth and partial error and we in fellowhip are called to reprove rebuke and exhort them who are Holy Spirit taught and give them the vision to see they need more of Jesus, and more of His Truth and to not be stuck in a state of infancy Spiritually and complacency of doctrine. Does a doctor ever stop learning? Advances in medicine says no they are continual learning So it should be in our Spiritual journey, We never stop growing and learning and Learning more of Jesus and his wonderful riches of His grace and His Love for us, and as Peter said : "For if these things be in you, and abound, they make you that ye shall neither be barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ. But he that lacketh these things is blind, and cannot see afar off, and hath forgotten that he was purged from his old sins." (2 Peter 1:8-9) And then think of this in terms of Jesus' teaching in John 15 that every branch that does not bear fruit is cast into fire.... (Now read 1 Peter 1:10-11)
Are you thinking that you will qualify for 'heaven' by ceasing from sinning?
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I've asked myself on occassion, Why it is that so many people who hold that view are so quick to malign others is if they approved of sin?
I've never come up with a good answer. Only bad answers.
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Herein is, to me, the heart of the matter.
All this talk, on and on and on, about, If you believe God's grace is enough, then you must be just abandoning yourself to sin! And yet, the reality is, as I understand the Bible, grace is what frees us from sin.
So those who reject God's grace - His full forever forgiveness - they are relying on themselves to overcome the sin within. And I already know that is futile. And so when I see the vehemence and malice in those who preach grace plus human effort, this does not surprise me, because freedom from the flesh is found in God's forgiveness and grace, that we can trust, and receive.
Law empowers sin. Law increases sin. But some think that's not true for them! That for them, Law will overcome sin. This is what overcomes the world, even our faith.
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When you set yourself to obeying rules in order to be accepted by God, you set yourself under Law which will increase sin, and empower sin.
When you stop condemning yourself, not being condemned by God, and you understand that all is forgiven, in Christ alone, you understand that you are at the same time free from Law, and are now able to serve Jesus Himself, as He personally leads you - specifically, you, a unique person - in His Ways, to walk in His works.
But you can only do one or the other. Either serve Jesus by His personal leadership without regard to your ideas of which OT Laws you are supposed to keep, or what NT passages represent a "new Law", either serve Christ in liberty to serve Him, or, you will be attempting to keep a "Law" which is neither Biblical nor complete. If you are going to serve Law, you have to keep it 100%, from beginning of life to the end, and you have to be keeping God's Law, not your own rendition.
Releasing yourself from Law keeping sets you free from this debilitating pattern of inciting the flesh, committing sin, wallowing in self-condemnation, then restoration through forgiveness, only to repeat the process over and over and over.
Releasing yourself from Law keeping sets you free to keep the desires of Another, who has His very particular plan for you, which is not written in Deuteronomy, as much as I LOVE that book! Moses' last chance to teach the Isrealites, after leading them 40 years to this moment in time! Just imagine!
We've died to the Law that we can serve Another. Going back to Law, it's like digging up the corpse of your dead husband. Just imagine that!
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When you stop condemning yourself, not being condemned by God, and you understand that all is forgiven, in Christ alone, you understand that you are at the same time free from Law, and are now able to serve Jesus Himself, as He personally leads you - specifically, you, a unique person - in His Ways, to walk in His works.
But you can only do one or the other. Either serve Jesus by His personal leadership without regard to your ideas of which OT Laws you are supposed to keep, or what NT passages represent a "new Law", either serve Christ in liberty to serve Him, or, you will be attempting to keep a "Law" which is neither Biblical nor complete. If you are going to serve Law, you have to keep it 100%, from beginning of life to the end, and you have to be keeping God's Law, not your own rendition.
Releasing yourself from Law keeping sets you free from this debilitating pattern of inciting the flesh, committing sin, wallowing in self-condemnation, then restoration through forgiveness, only to repeat the process over and over and over.
Releasing yourself from Law keeping sets you free to keep the desires of Another, who has His very particular plan for you, which is not written in Deuteronomy, as much as I LOVE that book! Moses' last chance to teach the Isrealites, after leading them 40 years to this moment in time! Just imagine!
We've died to the Law that we can serve Another. Going back to Law, it's like digging up the corpse of your dead husband. Just imagine that!
Much love!
Yep... YEP... and YEP.... I have witnessed this within my family... and not only that... because of this obsession with regards to sin... I have found that there is then a habit of HIDING sin... due to pressure NOT to sin... It's truly a VICIOUS cycle.
I have found that with this NEW revelation that GOD loves me... truly loves me... as I am... my response is absolute AWE and GRATITUDE.... I do NOT desire to sin.... I do not desire to displease my Lord and Saviour....
When I was NOT assured of HIS love or my salvation... I tended to give up and turn to sin to "comfort" myself.... Knowing that I was sinning was not enough to keep me from it... because I did not feel LOVED by HIM....
It's all about HIM.... and our devotion to Him... It's based on a LOVE relationship ... Not EVER on a fear-based relationship.... FEAR always breeds sin.
Complacency is a sin as well.
“Complacency is a deadly foe of all spiritual growth.”
― A.W. Tozer, The Pursuit of God: The Human Thirst for the Divine
@marks.... I am so grateful for people like you... BB and His Life... and several more... but you guys are the ones who truly fight for and defend GRACE in pure form... Sadly... what occurs within Christian circles as we have all seen and witnessed is people fighting to KEEP the law... I will never understand this... Our SAVIOUR has freed us from the curse of the law.... He paid ever so DEARLY for our sins.... NOT His sins... He had none... but ours.... that thought absolutely boggles my mind... as there are so many whom I do not feel like loving.... because their countenance is so unattractive... CHRIST died even for the ones who HATED Him.
Anyways.... THANK you @marks for the time... energy and gentleness with which you plead your position.
Anyways.... THANK you @marks for the time... energy and gentleness with which you plead your position.
This mirrors my experience exactly.
Instead of sin, I'm basking in His love. Feelings of incompleteness and need compete with our faith. But as we know we are complete in Him, that we are forever and fully forgiven, reconciled, really, actually reconciled, there is no hindrance to our trust in Him, and we just receive what He gives.
And what He gives is Love, poured into our hearts like a flood.
Some speak of sinning, not sinning, confessing, repenting . . . I know that life, I know that cycle, that misery!
Let's speak of being swept along in a torrent of God's love flowing out through us to all of humanity, a river that flows from His holy temple, growing ever wider, ever deeper, bringing life to everything it touches.
Let's speak of immersing ourselves into that river, to walk in works of love, with no limitation to our faith, because our faith rests solely in Jesus Christ, with no confidence in ourselves.
And let's talk about our Savior, Who leads us daily in Life, Who is to us a Tree of Life, and not a Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil. Trying to live according to 'our' knowledge of good and evil comes down to nothing more than living according to our opinions of our perceptions of ourselves. Let's let Him lead us by His life in us. We can know it because it is love.
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