It just means to bring out what is there.Ok.... I have to look that up.... that does not happen often.... LOL
That's my normal response to these sorts of queries. Break down the passage to show what it is really saying.
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It just means to bring out what is there.Ok.... I have to look that up.... that does not happen often.... LOL
I just LOVE it when someone "get's it"!YES... it is as simple as that.... and that simplicity is VITAL to a loving RELATIONSHIP.... One cannot surrender and submit under fear and duress... that is simply OBEDIENCE.... God wants our love and devotion.... and from that ... our behaviour flows.
Me too ... I actually get excited in my spirit when I see someone within the forums that preaches GRACE... there are a few and it's like YES!!!!!!I just LOVE it when someone "get's it"!
In 1 Corinthians 15, Paul says they had heard him preach the gospel, had received it, and stand in it, and they are saved:
1Co 15:1 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;
1Co 15:2 By which also ye are saved,
That’s it’s right? Done deal, their salvation forever settled, end of debate, OSAS is true.
EXCEPT.
Paul’s next words make their salvation conditional, by warning them that though they’d heard the gospel, received it, stand in it, and ARE SAVED, that they can end up believing IN VAIN, ifthey don’t keep in mind all that he taught them:
1Co 15:1 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;
1Co 15:2 By which also ye are saved, IF - ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have BELIEVED IN VAIN.
What was it that Paul preached them, that they had to keep in memory that he had preached it to them, that can affect their salvation, and cause their receiving the gospel, standing in it, and being saved, to be IN VAIN?
I believe you need to look at Romans 8, again.
Romans 8 starts off with a conditional statement:
Rom 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
Half of verse one is frequently quoted, absent the qualifier - that it’s those who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit who are in Christ Jesus and have no condemnation.
Paul warns us in Romans 8, that if we as believers choose to walk after the flesh, we will die (spiritually) - but if we choose to walk after the spirit, we will have everlasting life:
Rom 8:5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
Rom 8:6 For to be carnally minded is - DEATH - but to be spiritually minded isLIFE and peace.
Rom 8:7 Because the carnal mind is - ENMITY- against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
Rom 8:8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
And Romans 8:6 is talking about spiritual death, not physical death, as proven by the prodigal son, who died spiritually while he was out in the world sinning:
And what makes your doctrine more sound over others?
My point is that some believe in the rapture before the tribulation, others in the middle of the tribulation, and others at the end....
Some believe in losing your salvation, others believe once saved always saved.
Some believe in modern day apostles and prophets, others believe that ended with the original 12.
Some believe you must be baptized by water to be saved, others believe confessing Jesus as the Son of God and asking Him to be your Lord and Savior is how you are saved.
Sound doctrine? Scripture says do not follow the doctrines of men....the only doctrine that is sound is the doctrine of Jesus Christ, salvation, and serving Him.
So in conclusion you are quick to judge others by what they believe but even your belief is based on the religious denominational doctrine you were taught and came to accept.
Here is where we must reason together and let the Holy Spirit guide us into all truth.
Are you thinking that you will qualify for 'heaven' by ceasing from sinning?Im so glad you’re so very confident that the many warnings to the brethren by Paul to not let anyone deceive us and tell us we can live a sinful lifestyle and still enter heaven, is legalism.
I've asked myself on occassion, Why it is that so many people who hold that view are so quick to malign others is if they approved of sin?You guys have this FALSE belief that us GRACE believers promote... condone... and even embrace sin... This is NOT the case... but it seems to be what makes you feel better about trying to justify the BE GOOD and DO GOOD theory.
The issue of eternal security is a deal breaker for me... I don't find this to be non-essential but rather absolutely essential to freedom in CHRIST.
And you have expressed my frustration PERFECTLY.....All this talk, on and on and on, about, If you believe God's grace is enough, then you must be just abandoning yourself to sin! And yet, the reality is, as I understand the Bible, grace is what frees us from sin.
So those who reject God's grace - His full forever forgiveness - they are relying on themselves to overcome the sin within. And I already know that is futile. And so when I see the vehemence and malice in those who preach grace plus human effort, this does not surprise me, because freedom from the flesh is found in God's forgiveness and grace, that we can trust, and receive.
Law empowers sin. Law increases sin. But some think that's not true for them! That for them, Law will overcome sin. This is what overcomes the world, even our faith.
Yep... YEP... and YEP.... I have witnessed this within my family... and not only that... because of this obsession with regards to sin... I have found that there is then a habit of HIDING sin... due to pressure NOT to sin... It's truly a VICIOUS cycle.When you set yourself to obeying rules in order to be accepted by God, you set yourself under Law which will increase sin, and empower sin.
I've asked myself on occassion, Why it is that so many people who hold that view are so quick to malign others is if they approved of sin?
Yep... YEP... and YEP.... I have witnessed this within my family... and not only that... because of this obsession with regards to sin... I have found that there is then a habit of HIDING sin... due to pressure NOT to sin... It's truly a VICIOUS cycle.
I have found that with this NEW revelation that GOD loves me... truly loves me... as I am... my response is absolute AWE and GRATITUDE.... I do NOT desire to sin.... I do not desire to displease my Lord and Saviour....
When I was NOT assured of HIS love or my salvation... I tended to give up and turn to sin to "comfort" myself.... Knowing that I was sinning was not enough to keep me from it... because I did not feel LOVED by HIM....
It's all about HIM.... and our devotion to Him... It's based on a LOVE relationship ... Not EVER on a fear-based relationship.... FEAR always breeds sin.
So the question is, why are you so quick to malign others?Complacency is a sin as well.
So the question is, why are you so quick to malign others?