The Myth of saying that Jesus Christ died for all men without exception !

[Corlove13]

the Bible admits of no denominations only the
one fold
one body of Christ
One new covenant church founded by Christ on Peter and the apostles Matt 16:18 Jn 10:16

It shouldn't be but there are..

 

[Corlove13]

Jesus was lying in Mk 16:16 he who believes AND is baptized shall be saved???

Why would you think He was lying?

 

[Corlove13]

yes of course but it is only applied to our souls in the sacraments

the promise of the father acts 2:38-39

A promise from God is a sacred oath, and a sacred oath is a sacrament
Ez 36:25-27

According to Catholic doctrine...that's why I am not Catholic...so we will not agree...but I respect ya...peace and blessings to ya!

 

[Corlove13]

Another popular Myth in the religious world today, is the Jesus Christ died or gave His Life for everyone in the world without exception, but the problem with that, is there is not one shred of scripture evidence that states that.

The scripture however does say that He died for His Sheep or His Church as per Jn 10:11,15

11I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep.

15As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep.

Eph 5:25

25Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;

His People Isa 53:8

8He was taken from prison and from judgment: and who shall declare his generation? for he was cut off out of the land of the living: for the transgression of my people was he stricken. cp Matt 1:21

Now, are all without exception His Sheep ? No

Are all without exception His Church ? No

Are all without exception His People ? No

For surely the seed of the serpent Gen 3:15 cannot be of His Sheep, His Church, or His People.

So why does the religous world proclaim that Jesus Christ died for all men without exception, when they have no scripture proof ? Because it is a Myth.

No one has to add without exception...why should one?

No one says everything they do not mean when they speak.

 

[Corlove13]

Baptism is required for salvation Mk 16:16 acts 8:36-38

If water Baptism...saves ya it's not evidence
In those passages.

 

[Curtis]

Jn 11: 50-52 Particular Redemption !

That the scriptures teaches limited atonement or Particular redemption of some is seen here Jn 11:50-52

50 Nor consider that it is expedient for us, that one man should die for the people, and that the whole nation perish not.

51 And this spake he not of himself: but being high priest that year, he prophesied that Jesus should die for that nation;

52 And not for that nation only, but that also he should gather together in one the children of God that were scattered abroad.

What is being stated here, is who Christ is to die for, Caiaphas speaking by inspiration of the Spirit is saying, Christ is to die for God's People, Sheep in the Nation of Israel, but not those Sheep only, but also for His Sheep or Children of God all over the World. Basically what's being said is the same as what Jesus said before in Chapter 10 Jn 10:15-16

15 As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep.

16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.

The bringing together of the Sheep here in Vs 16 and the gathering of the Children of God in Vs 52 are the same and is accomplished by the Death of Christ.

The objects of His Death are His Sheep or the Children of God, nothing about all mankind without exception, that has been introduced by false teaching of those who oppose the Truth !

The Children of God are manifested as to who they are by God given Faith Gal 3:26

For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.

So in the end, only believers in Christ are those whom Christ died for, all the Children of God !

That means those who remain in unbelief were not those Christ died for, and were not the Children of God but Children of the devil ! 1 Jn 3:10

In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.437

The atonement is unlimited. Application of it is limited to WHOSOEVER WILL COME.

 

[theefaith]

It shouldn't be but there are..

there is only one true church one ark of grace salvation the rest are sects and false teachers

 

[theefaith]

Why would you think He was lying?

Cos you said it was by faith alone

 

[theefaith]

According to Catholic doctrine...that's why I am not Catholic...so we will not agree...but I respect ya...peace and blessings to ya!

According to scripture

 

[Corlove13]

According to scripture

Well a Baptist, Pentecostal, church ofChrist, ...sda, etc.all will say according to scripture too

 

[Corlove13]

Cos you said it was by faith alone

?

 

[Corlove13]

there is only one true church one ark of grace salvation the rest are sects and false teachers

What is the one true church?

 

[Corlove13]

Why would you think He was lying?

Jesus was lying in Mk 16:16 he who believes AND is baptized shall be saved???

No, He was not lying when He said that,
......nor was He lying when He said the rest of the passage...in verse:
16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

 

[Corlove13]

Cos you said it was by faith alone

Even though I don't know where I said that...
I do see where you are trying to go now...

You are saying that one believes and is Water Batized for salvation....

Therefore it's not by faith alone if scripture adds water Baptism in order to be saved.

But I do not see faith in the way you presume I do. Faith is being ready to act on what you believe is to be true.

However the problem you have here....is what needs to be thought on...Is what "Jesus"
Saying a statement of fact, or a command?

For all through the scriptures when many received the message they were water Baptized. As this was a sign for others of their commitment. Or an outward expression of what was taking place within.



But does it have to mean the water actually saved them?

Fallacy Files #3: Confused Conditionals – Analogical Thoughts
Fallacy Files #3: Confused Conditionals

Now even though I do not agree with you there... I do Believe the faith that saves works by love...

As for Do I believe that faith alone saves...

I DO BELIEVE God saves-therefore
What Jesus did on the cross ....and His resurrection ....mean salvation is secure in Him.

And if one is not in Him How can o e be saved by Him.

Therefore the faith or faithfulness of Christ is our salvation.

Alone it saves no one, but connected to Him it saves.

Like the ark....alone it is salvation[away to escape the flood.

But by itself it saves no one you must get in it[be connected] to be delivered by it.

So The faith that saves, is a faith that works by love.

Not to earn Salvation, but the means in which we access Grace.

So another words you can't do nothing without Him.
And without Him you will certainly do no thing.

Take Jesus ....there is no greater love than a man lay down His life for a friend.

 

[brightfame52]

I read the post when I first came on...so of course I was interested...

Lets discuss the points then, what were they and how did I seek to develop them ?

 

[brightfame52]

No one has to add without exception...why should one?

No one says everything they do not mean when they speak.

You may not realize it, but many imply all without exception when they are asked who Christ died for. Or when they see a verse like 2 Cor 5:14
For the love of Christ constraineth us; because we thus judge, that if one died for all, then were all dead:

Who do you say the all is here ?

 

[brightfame52]

The atonement is unlimited. Application of it is limited to WHOSOEVER WILL COME.

False and you evaded all that I posted to prove that its false.

 

[theefaith]

Well a Baptist, Pentecostal, church ofChrist, ...sda, etc.all will say according to scripture too

But only one is true
Only Christ has authority to build the church Matt 16:18 on Peter and the apostles eph 2:20
There’s only one new covenant and they are not part of it

 

[theefaith]

Well a Baptist, Pentecostal, church ofChrist, ...sda, etc.all will say according to scripture too

I thought fundamentalists are opposed to manmade religion and manmade churches

 

[theefaith]

What is the one true church?

The one founded by Christ on Peter matt 16:18 and the apostles Matt 18:18 eph 2:20 the new covenant body of Christ the universal church