Why I believe in the rapture.

[n2thelight]

Christian is a term, non-followers of Jesus' teachings called men who followed and believed and taught Jesus' teachings.

Fully aware a man NOT converted IN Christ, is already deceived, and have never said otherwise.

There are approx. 7.5 million Jews world wide.
Daily Jews are converting IN Christ...
There are approx. 250,000 Jews IN Christ, calling themselves Messianic Jews...(not Christians).

Millions of Gentiles, calling themselves Christians, are not Converted IN Christ.
Which is WHY;
You can visit any Protestant Church, attend any Revivial meeting, attend any Evangelical Meeting event....and observe people calling themselves "Christians", publically testifying they are giving their Life TO Christ, accepting His offering of Salvation.

As well, you can hear of men publically and proudly testifying, "they used to be a Christian", dipped in a vat of water, but never believed, or stopped believing.
THAT ^ Was NEVER a Converted man.
THAT ^ Is a man who is revealing He LIED to God and Woe unto him, it would have been better for him, that he had Never been born.

Calling oneself A CHRISTIAN...is one thing.
Calling oneself A CONVERTED CHRISTIAN or a BORN AGAIN CHRISTIAN...has a totally different meaning.
And Because Christians primarily DO NOT, specifiy, but rather speak in General terms...AS IF, ALL "Christians" are the SAME..."the so called Christians themselves",
Between the converted, and non-converted...
Disagree continually.

AS WELL, "outsiders"...with no affiliation to Christianity....FIND the whole of "Christianity" a hokey, Religion, making no sense...
*That "SOME" ... so called Christians, preach,
Forever with the Lord God...
*While "OTHER" ...so called Christians, preach, You have to DO really good works to KEEP yourself in good graces with the Lord God, or He'll Leave you.

Christian IS NOT THE HIGHLIGHT.
Converted IN Christ IS the HIGHLIGHT.

Didn't answer the main question, what is a Christian ?

 

[Taken]

Didn't answer the main question, what is a Christian ?

Pfff...
I Specifically answered the question.

I have no ability to UNDERSTAND the answer FOR YOU.

 

[n2thelight]

Pfff...
I Specifically answered the question.

I have no ability to UNDERSTAND the answer FOR YOU.

where ?

 

[Taken]

where ?

Maybe you should be asking yourself what a Christian is.

 

[n2thelight]

Maybe you should be asking yourself what a Christian is.

Whatever, do you ..

 

[Taken]

Whatever, do you ..

Do I what?
Do I speak in complete sentences? Yes.

 

[n2thelight]

Do I what?
Do I speak in complete sentences? Yes.

That wasn't a question , that meant it's nothing else for us to talk about

 

[Truth7t7]

Who said "afraid" ?
Who said "tribulation of satan'?

Scripture says "Wrath" during the Tribulation.
Wrath during the Tribulation is:
Wrath of the Lamb, first
Wrath of the Devil, secondly
Wrath of God, lastly
Scripture reveals "the Converted are not appointed to Wrath"



Correct.
How? How can the "wraths" to come not harm you?



Correct.
In brief;
Many will follow satan, not knowing Christ. Satan will kill those who reject him.

The Lamb is in Heaven.
The Lamb begins Opening the SEALS.

Satan is he that shall come First to Earth...
Satan given power to:
Rev 6:1 1st seal opened - conquer
Rev 6:2 2nd seal opened - oppresses peace
Rev 6:5 3rd seal opened - scales
Rev 6:7 4th seal opened - death & hell

Remember: WHERE the Lamb is, WHERE Christ is, WHERE God is:
WHEN...
The Seals are Opened... ? "IN HEAVEN".

Remember: WHERE God WAS, when He destroyed the Earth With WATER...?
(First Great Tribulation)
"IN HEAVEN"

Remember: WHERE the "SAVED" WERE, when the Earth was being flooded "During the First Great Tribulation'?
Rising UP, above the Earth, upon the Face of the Waters.

Heb 4:
[3] For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.

1 Thes 1:
[10] And to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead, even Jesus, which delivered us from the wrath to come.

The Converted are ALREADY DELIVER-ED...
Already Approved. Already In Gods Peace.
Wrath UPON the World, IS NOT Gods PEACE.
Wrath UPON the World, IS the Lambs Anger, the Devils Anger, Gods Anger, being revealed in utter chaos, and destruction.

God did not LEAVE Noah (Gods Saved) ON Earth, during Gods WRATH.
Christ shall not LEAVE (His Saved) ON Earth, during ANY WRATH.

WHO was ON EARTH, during the First Great Tribulation? Those who rejected God.

WHO shall be ON EARTH, during the Last Great Tribulation?

Rom 2:
[8] But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and WRATH ...

Rom 1
[18] For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven...
against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;

Rom 5:
[9] Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved FROM wrath through him.

Saved "FROM" wrath.
(Not Saved "THROUGH" wrath.)

Same as Noah, was Saved "FROM" wrath, (Not Saved "Through" wrath. )
Noah risen UP:

Gen 7:
[18] And the waters prevailed, and were increased greatly upon the earth; and the ark went upon the face of the waters.

1 Thes 4:
[17] Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

1 Thes 5:
[9] ... God hath not appointed us to wrath...

US, are the SAVED.
Why do you believe (the SAVED) shall be appointed TO, Go through, Wrath upon the Earth?

FOR WHAT PURPOSE, ARE THE SAVED "GENTILES"...ON EARTH, during the Last Great Tribulation??

The Great Trib Will Be Upon The Antichrist And Wicked, The Church Is Protected, Dont Be Deceived

There's Going To Be An End Times Persecution, The Beast And His Kingdom Are The Target Of God's Empowered (Two Witnesses)

The Great Tribulation Will Come Upon The Wicked World, While The (Sealed Church) Is Protected

The (Sealed Church) will be present on earth and protected, when wicked men are tormented 5 months, desiring to die as death flees

All saved believers are (Sealed) by God, Eph 1:13, 4:30

Ephesians 1:13KJV
13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

Ephesians 4:30KJV
30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.

It Was Commanded, Only Those Without God's Seal Will Be Tormented, The Sealed Church Is Protected

Revelation 9:3-6KJV
3 And there came out of the smoke locusts upon the earth: and unto them was given power, as the scorpions of the earth have power.
4 And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads.
5 And to them it was given that they should not kill them, but that they should be tormented five months: and their torment was as the torment of a scorpion, when he striketh a man.
6 And in those days shall men seek death, and shall not find it; and shall desire to die, and death shall flee from them.

Plagues upon The Beast and his Kingdom, a remake of Moses/Aaron against Pharaoh of Egypt

Revelation 11:3-6
3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.
4 These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.
5 And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed.
6 These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.

Revelation 16:1-11KJV
1 And I heard a great voice out of the temple saying to the seven angels, Go your ways, and pour out the vials of the wrath of God upon the earth.
2 And the first went, and poured out his vial upon the earth; and there fell a noisome and grievous sore upon the men which had the mark of the beast, and upon them which worshipped his image.
3 And the second angel poured out his vial upon the sea; and it became as the blood of a dead man: and every living soul died in the sea.
4 And the third angel poured out his vial upon the rivers and fountains of waters; and they became blood.
5 And I heard the angel of the waters say, Thou art righteous, O Lord, which art, and wast, and shalt be, because thou hast judged thus.
6 For they have shed the blood of saints and prophets, and thou hast given them blood to drink; for they are worthy.
7 And I heard another out of the altar say, Even so, Lord God Almighty, true and righteous are thy judgments.
8 And the fourth angel poured out his vial upon the sun; and power was given unto him to scorch men with fire.
9 And men were scorched with great heat, and blasphemed the name of God, which hath power over these plagues: and they repented not to give him glory.
10 And the fifth angel poured out his vial upon the seat of the beast; and his kingdom was full of darkness; and they gnawed their tongues for pain,
11 And blasphemed the God of heaven because of their pains and their sores, and repented not of their deeds.

 

[Oseas]

Matthew 24:v.15 and 21-25

15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand)

21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.

23 Then if any MAN (Pastors, Bishops, Evangelists, Missionairs, among others, mainly internet) shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.

24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.


25 Behold, I have told you before.

 

[David in NJ]

Christian is a term, non-followers of Jesus' teachings called men who followed and believed and taught Jesus' teachings.

Fully aware a man NOT converted IN Christ, is already deceived, and have never said otherwise.

There are approx. 7.5 million Jews world wide.
Daily Jews are converting IN Christ...
There are approx. 250,000 Jews IN Christ, calling themselves Messianic Jews...(not Christians).

Millions of Gentiles, calling themselves Christians, are not Converted IN Christ.
Which is WHY;
You can visit any Protestant Church, attend any Revivial meeting, attend any Evangelical Meeting event....and observe people calling themselves "Christians", publically testifying they are giving their Life TO Christ, accepting His offering of Salvation.

As well, you can hear of men publically and proudly testifying, "they used to be a Christian", dipped in a vat of water, but never believed, or stopped believing.
THAT ^ Was NEVER a Converted man.
THAT ^ Is a man who is revealing He LIED to God and Woe unto him, it would have been better for him, that he had Never been born.

Calling oneself A CHRISTIAN...is one thing.
Calling oneself A CONVERTED CHRISTIAN or a BORN AGAIN CHRISTIAN...has a totally different meaning.
And Because Christians primarily DO NOT, specifiy, but rather speak in General terms...AS IF, ALL "Christians" are the SAME..."the so called Christians themselves",
Between the converted, and non-converted...
Disagree continually.

AS WELL, "outsiders"...with no affiliation to Christianity....FIND the whole of "Christianity" a hokey, Religion, making no sense...
*That "SOME" ... so called Christians, preach,
Forever with the Lord God...
*While "OTHER" ...so called Christians, preach, You have to DO really good works to KEEP yourself in good graces with the Lord God, or He'll Leave you.

Christian IS NOT THE HIGHLIGHT.
Converted IN Christ IS the HIGHLIGHT.

Please elaborate on your comment "Jews IN Christ, calling themselves Messianic Jews...(not Christians)."
Thank You

 

[Taken]

The Great Tribulation Will Come Upon The Wicked World, While The (Sealed Church) Is Protected

I never said Anything about the Sealed, not being "protected".

The (Sealed Church) will be present on earth and protected, when wicked men are tormented 5 months, desiring to die as death flees

We agree, the Sealed ARE "protected".
We disagree, on "other points" pertaining to the Sealed.

First point;
You imply Only Christ's Church (is Sealed)...
IS that correct?

 

[Taken]

Please elaborate on your comment "Jews IN Christ, calling themselves Messianic Jews...(not Christians)."
Thank You

A rather modern movement (1960's -70's), sprung up from ideas heavily pointing accredition toward;
A Mr. Martin "Moishe" Rosen. Himself by Race, "a Jew", being naturally born (1932) in the US Of Jewish Parents, having himself been education in Jewish customs, traditions and religion, AND having also elected to become educated in the Religion of Christianity... became an ordained Baptist Minister and established an organization OF "Jews for Jesus", with the intent and purpose of traveling TO populated areas OF Jews, TO evangelize TO Jews, The Gospel Message OF Jesus Christ.

Moishe passed away in 2010. His daughter, "Ruth Rosen", wrote a book about the life and works of her father; entitled:
"Called to Controversy".

The fact is; noone becomes "Converted IN Christ" without the very beginning step of "hearing" the True Knowledge of Jesus.
Men hear, believe, continue, or step back and reject, and some further criticize.
Jews that "heard" and "continued hearing" and "accepted"... and "elected" to be "Converted in Christ".... Was Rosen's Intent fulfilled, that he believed was his calling.

The Result; many Jews have become: Converted IN Christ. They decide what broad "title" is befitting them: "Messianic Jews".
(Like in anything; "other men", can call "them" whatever "the other men decide".)

 

[amigo de christo]

It’s got nothing to do with ‘direct obedience’. Let’s really look at what Revelation is saying about Satan’s “binding”:

Revelation 20:1-3
[1] Then I saw an angel coming down from heaven, holding in his hand the key to the bottomless pit and a great chain. [2] And he seized the dragon, that ancient serpent, who is the devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years, [3] and threw him into the pit, and shut it and sealed it over him, so that he might not deceive the nations any longer, until the thousand years were ended. After that he must be released for a little while.

Revelation 20:7-9
[7] And when the thousand years are ended, Satan will be released from his prison [8] and will come out to deceive the nations that are at the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them for battle; their number is like the sand of the sea. [9] And they marched up over the broad plain of the earth and surrounded the camp of the saints and the beloved city, but fire came down from heaven and consumed them,

What does Satan do when his ‘binding’ is released? He deceives and gathers the nations, all of them as one…a concerted effort…together FOR BATTLE. Against whom? The saints and the beloved city.
This tells us that the binding of Satan isn’t just to stop his general nastiness or effects of evil upon the world. It’s to stop his ultimate goal…deceiving the peoples of the world into wiping out the people of God.



I’m afraid I don’t see your point at all in the above. Sorry.

I get tickled every time i see the eyes of that cat . Poor thing must have seen copeland , the pope and rick warren all hugging on TV .

 

[David in NJ]

A rather modern movement (1960's -70's), sprung up from ideas heavily pointing accredition toward;
A Mr. Martin "Moishe" Rosen. Himself by Race, "a Jew", being naturally born (1932) in the US Of Jewish Parents, having himself been education in Jewish customs, traditions and religion, AND having also elected to become educated in the Religion of Christianity... became an ordained Baptist Minister and established an organization OF "Jews for Jesus", with the intent and purpose of traveling TO populated areas OF Jews, TO evangelize TO Jews, The Gospel Message OF Jesus Christ.

Moishe passed away in 2010. His daughter, "Ruth Rosen", wrote a book about the life and works of her father; entitled:
"Called to Controversy".

The fact is; noone becomes "Converted IN Christ" without the very beginning step of "hearing" the True Knowledge of Jesus.
Men hear, believe, continue, or step back and reject, and some further criticize.
Jews that "heard" and "continued hearing" and "accepted"... and "elected" to be "Converted in Christ".... Was Rosen's Intent fulfilled, that he believed was his calling.

The Result; many Jews have become: Converted IN Christ. They decide what broad "title" is befitting them: "Messianic Jews".
(Like in anything; "other men", can call "them" whatever "the other men decide".)

Thank You for your reply - Please define for me what you are inferring as in "Converted IN Christ" - Thank You

 

[Truth7t7]

First point;
You imply Only Christ's Church (is Sealed)...
IS that correct?

Yes The Church Is Saved And Sealed, That Includes The 144,000 That Will Be Sealed And "Added" To The Church On Earth As Seen In Revelation Chapter 7

All saved believers are (Sealed) by God, Eph 1:13, 4:30 (Eternal Security)

Ephesians 1:13KJV
13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

Ephesians 4:30KJV
30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.

Those seen below would be a prime example of the "False Church), they were never saved and sealed, (I Never Knew You)

Matthew 7:22-23KJV
22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

 

[Truther]

There are a lot of Questions when the rapture will take place, But the main reason i believe there will be a rapture is that this is how God has acted in the past.

The righteous chosen ones have never been allowed to see the wrath of God.
Noah was sealed in an ark, Lot and His family were told not to look back. Israel and their families were protected by the passover blood, and we as the church are made righteous by the blood of the lamb of God will be protected.

Whether this rapture is as they show in movies or some other form of protection I do not think Scripture is clear, but I do know the church, the saints will not witness the Wrath of God.... The wrath of Satan and the wrath of the lamb are two different things all together.

National Israel on the other hand will witness the wrath of God, and drink of the cup of the wrath of God till they are drunk and then be spared.

The rapture will definitely happen prior to the GT. The Church is not appointed to wrath. You can count on that.

We are free from the Law, unlike sinners.

We are free from the wrath of the Law, unlike sinners.

 

[Truth7t7]

The rapture will definitely happen prior to the GT. The Church is not appointed to wrath. You can count on that.

We are free from the Law, unlike sinners.

We are free from the wrath of the Law, unlike sinners.

No Such Thing As A (Pre-Trib Rapture) Found In Scripture, No Place

A False Teaching Of John N. Darby & C.I. Scofield, Better Known As Dispensationalism

The Church will be present on earth to witness the great tribulation, and second coming of Jesus Christ in the heavens, just as Luke 21:25-28 "Clearly" teaches below, there will be no (Pre-Trib Rapture) as dispensationalism falsely teaches, dont be deceived

Luke 21:25-28KJV
25 And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;
26 Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.
27 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.
28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.

 

[Truther]

No Such Thing As A (Pre-Trib Rapture) Found In Scripture, No Place

A False Teaching Of John N. Darby & C.I. Scofield, Better Known As Dispensationalism

The Church will be present on earth to witness the great tribulation, and second coming of Jesus Christ in the heavens, just as Luke 21:25-28 "Clearly" teaches below, there will be no (Pre-Trib Rapture) as dispensationalism falsely teaches, dont be deceived

Luke 21:25-28KJV
25 And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;
26 Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.
27 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.
28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.

I don't care what others taught(which I never read their writings).

I care what the Bible tells us.

It tells us that the Church will only see the very beginning, like a storm approaching, then the trump sounds.

We will see through the open door of the GT, but will not enter into Rev 6.

 

[Truther]

Nobody on this forum has the guts to go through Rev 6.

Rambo saints...LOL

 

[Truth7t7]

Christian is a term, non-followers of Jesus' teachings called men who followed and believed and taught Jesus' teachings.

Fully aware a man NOT converted IN Christ, is already deceived, and have never said otherwise.

There are approx. 7.5 million Jews world wide.
Daily Jews are converting IN Christ...
There are approx. 250,000 Jews IN Christ, calling themselves Messianic Jews...(not Christians).

Millions of Gentiles, calling themselves Christians, are not Converted IN Christ.
Which is WHY;
You can visit any Protestant Church, attend any Revivial meeting, attend any Evangelical Meeting event....and observe people calling themselves "Christians", publically testifying they are giving their Life TO Christ, accepting His offering of Salvation.

As well, you can hear of men publically and proudly testifying, "they used to be a Christian", dipped in a vat of water, but never believed, or stopped believing.
THAT ^ Was NEVER a Converted man.
THAT ^ Is a man who is revealing He LIED to God and Woe unto him, it would have been better for him, that he had Never been born.

Calling oneself A CHRISTIAN...is one thing.
Calling oneself A CONVERTED CHRISTIAN or a BORN AGAIN CHRISTIAN...has a totally different meaning.
And Because Christians primarily DO NOT, specifiy, but rather speak in General terms...AS IF, ALL "Christians" are the SAME..."the so called Christians themselves",
Between the converted, and non-converted...
Disagree continually.

AS WELL, "outsiders"...with no affiliation to Christianity....FIND the whole of "Christianity" a hokey, Religion, making no sense...
*That "SOME" ... so called Christians, preach,
Forever with the Lord God...
*While "OTHER" ...so called Christians, preach, You have to DO really good works to KEEP yourself in good graces with the Lord God, or He'll Leave you.

Christian IS NOT THE HIGHLIGHT.
Converted IN Christ IS the HIGHLIGHT.

Your response falsely elevates Zionism's two peoples of God, as you create two groups of believers within the Church, (Christians & Messanic Jews)

There is one Church by "Faith" in Jesus Christ, of both Jew/Gentile, sealed by the Holy Spirit of promise

There are two groups of people in the world presently, (Saved Church) and (Unsaved World), it's that simple

Galatians 3:26-29KJV
26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.