God changed Seventh Day Sabbath Worship to First Day of the Week

[GerhardEbersoehn]

Gal 5:18 But if you be led of the Spirit, you are not under the law.

It couldn't be plainer, and yet many stumble.

It couldn't be plainer, and yet many stumble -- If you are led of a spirit against The Law, you are under the Law; it shall not be forgiven you. It's your spirit testifying of you against the Spirit of Christ testifying of Him in His Word the Scriptures -- If you tell yourself you are led by the Spirit of God because you are not under His Word in Scripture, God's Written Word, you are not under the law, you commit the ultimate and unforgivable sin.

 

[Brakelite]

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@Curtis
@Robert Gwin
@robert derrick

Considering the vehement opposition to God's Commandments being displayed so openly and without shame on this forum, I have come to the conclusion that this enmity against the law arises for only one reason... You are still carnal, not born again, and while you claim to be spiritual it is a deception for it is nothing more than spiritual intellectualism. Give me one reason why verse 7 does not apply to you?

KJV Romans 8:5-8
5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.

Is not your opposition to the law of God an expression of your carnal fleshly nature? How can it be otherwise? You even boast of your lack of subjection to God's laws, how can Romans 8:7 not apply to you?

 

[ReChoired]

you'll have to excuse me, but i believe scripture.

the law, which came 430 years afterward
(Galatians 3:17)​

Read:

"... The "law" referred to is not the Ten Commandments. It is that which is of the "book of the law", in the very context of Galatians 3:

Gal 3:10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.
Gal 3:11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.
Gal 3:12 And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.
Gal 3:13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:
Gal 3:14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.
Gal 3:15 Brethren, I speak after the manner of men; Though it be but a man's covenant, yet if it be confirmed, no man disannulleth, or addeth thereto.
Gal 3:16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.
Gal 3:17 And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.​

The context is "the book of the law" and the "works of" that "law". The context is the "curse" written in the "book of the law". Nowhere in the Ten Commandments is any curse. They are all perfect promises of God to usward (and especially in the New/Everlasting Covenant). Nowhere in the Ten Commandments is it "written", "Cursed is everyone that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them", or "The Just shall live by faith", or "The man that doeth them shall live in them.", or "Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree".

The "book of the law" came 430 years after (Abraham, who never had the "book of the law", but did obey the (Ten) Commandments of God), at Mt. Sinai." - COVENANTS

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

God shared his day of rest with Adam. I find it interesting that Adam, straight from the Creators hand on the sixth day accompanied Jesus in fellowship and rest on the following day before any 'work' was engaged.

God's first priority was to desire that Adam became acquainted with his maker and friend. Adam, made in God's image and with high intellect would have spent the day checking himself out including his surroundings in the company of Jesus who would have told him of the unfolding of the days of Creation....and Adam no doubt would have told his children of that first day of his existence (the 7th of the Creation week) which, as we all know repeats itself effectually becoming the memorial of Creation.

<<God shared his day of rest with Adam.>> Genesis 2:2,3 IMPLYING 8-24.

<<I find it interesting that Adam, straight from the Creators hand on the sixth day accompanied Jesus in fellowship and rest on the following day before any 'work' was engaged.>>
<<straight from the Creators hand on the sixth day accompanied Jesus in fellowship and rest>>? Where have you read that? In Mrs White yes, but not in your Bible. The Bible gives the record of creation on the Sixth Day, of Adam - Genesis 2:15, of Eve - 2:21f, and straight from their Creator's hand on the sixth day on the sixth day, the Fall - chapter 3! God's first priority was that Adam became acquainted with his Maker and Saviour DESPITE man's sin. Adam and Eve had left their Creator; they disappointed Him utterly; they "NOT FOR A DAY LODGED" with Him, but DEPARTED AND HID in the bush from their Creator <Jesus> and LOST ALL <fellowship> with Him and received NO <rest> BEFORE "IN THE EVENING COOL / BREEZE" of <the following day> THE SEVENTH DAY AND SABBATH OF THE LORD, GOD, <desired> RECONCILIATION and a fellowship of ATONEMENT with and for man before man could eat of the Tree of Life and they were sent out of Eden before they engaged in any work on the Seventh Day which Genesis 2:2,3 refers to.

 

[quietthinker]

<<God shared his day of rest with Adam.>> Genesis 2:2,3 IMPLYING 8-24.

<<I find it interesting that Adam, straight from the Creators hand on the sixth day accompanied Jesus in fellowship and rest on the following day before any 'work' was engaged.>>
<<straight from the Creators hand on the sixth day accompanied Jesus in fellowship and rest>>? Where have you read that? In Mrs White yes, but not in your Bible. The Bible gives the record of creation on the Sixth Day, of Adam - Genesis 2:15, of Eve - 2:21f, and straight from their Creator's hand on the sixth day on the sixth day, the Fall - chapter 3! God's first priority was that Adam became acquainted with his Maker and Saviour DESPITE man's sin. Adam and Eve had left their Creator; they disappointed Him utterly; they "NOT FOR A DAY LODGED" with Him, but DEPARTED AND HID in the bush from their Creator <Jesus> and LOST ALL <fellowship> with Him and received NO <rest> BEFORE "IN THE EVENING COOL / BREEZE" of <the following day> THE SEVENTH DAY AND SABBATH OF THE LORD, GOD, <desired> RECONCILIATION and a fellowship of ATONEMENT with and for man before man could eat of the Tree of Life and they were sent out of Eden before they engaged in any work on the Seventh Day which Genesis 2:2,3 refers to.

We do not know the period of time which elapsed from Creation to the fall but it definitely wasn't the same day Adam was created because God declares it was very good. Genesis 1:31

<<God shared his day of rest with Adam.>> Genesis 2:2,3 IMPLYING 8-24.

<<I find it interesting that Adam, straight from the Creators hand on the sixth day accompanied Jesus in fellowship and rest on the following day before any 'work' was engaged.>>
<<straight from the Creators hand on the sixth day accompanied Jesus in fellowship and rest>>? Where have you read that? In Mrs White yes, but not in your Bible. The Bible gives the record of creation on the Sixth Day, of Adam - Genesis 2:15, of Eve - 2:21f, and straight from their Creator's hand on the sixth day on the sixth day, the Fall - chapter 3! God's first priority was that Adam became acquainted with his Maker and Saviour DESPITE man's sin. Adam and Eve had left their Creator; they disappointed Him utterly; they "NOT FOR A DAY LODGED" with Him, but DEPARTED AND HID in the bush from their Creator <Jesus> and LOST ALL <fellowship> with Him and received NO <rest> BEFORE "IN THE EVENING COOL / BREEZE" of <the following day> THE SEVENTH DAY AND SABBATH OF THE LORD, GOD, <desired> RECONCILIATION and a fellowship of ATONEMENT with and for man before man could eat of the Tree of Life and they were sent out of Eden before they engaged in any work on the Seventh Day which Genesis 2:2,3 refers to.

You are quick to malign and accuse Gerhard without adequate forethought! One only needs to engage a reasonable imagination to come up with a reasonable scenario. You can be certain God did not just vanish from human affairs on the 7th day, sit back on his couch and leave the newly created couple to wonder where they and everything around them appeared from, let alone the question they might have asked themselves; 'where was I the day before yesterday?'

It also behooves us to be aware that Moses did not record every single blow and transaction of process in his accounts and certain reasonable imagination derived from the context allows filling in what is not recorded.

You might say I am going out on a limb....I'll concede you are right but does that mean the limb will break if context is adhered to?....I think not.

 

[Brakelite]

<<God shared his day of rest with Adam.>> Genesis 2:2,3 IMPLYING 8-24.

<<I find it interesting that Adam, straight from the Creators hand on the sixth day accompanied Jesus in fellowship and rest on the following day before any 'work' was engaged.>>
<<straight from the Creators hand on the sixth day accompanied Jesus in fellowship and rest>>? Where have you read that? In Mrs White yes, but not in your Bible. The Bible gives the record of creation on the Sixth Day, of Adam - Genesis 2:15, of Eve - 2:21f, and straight from their Creator's hand on the sixth day on the sixth day, the Fall - chapter 3! God's first priority was that Adam became acquainted with his Maker and Saviour DESPITE man's sin. Adam and Eve had left their Creator; they disappointed Him utterly; they "NOT FOR A DAY LODGED" with Him, but DEPARTED AND HID in the bush from their Creator <Jesus> and LOST ALL <fellowship> with Him and received NO <rest> BEFORE "IN THE EVENING COOL / BREEZE" of <the following day> THE SEVENTH DAY AND SABBATH OF THE LORD, GOD, <desired> RECONCILIATION and a fellowship of ATONEMENT with and for man before man could eat of the Tree of Life and they were sent out of Eden before they engaged in any work on the Seventh Day which Genesis 2:2,3 refers to.

I disagree. God didn't make the 7th day holy until after the 7th day had finished. God couldn't give that day to man until it was complete.
KJV Genesis 2:1-3
1 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.
2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

Good could not offer Adam an example in observing Sabbath until the example had been made...a complete 7th day, and a complete week. That first day was a Sabbath only for God, for Adam had only been alive for one day and had not worked even one day, let alone 6, thus that first Sabbath was not Adams, but the Lord's.
KJV Exodus 20:11
11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
It was after the Sabbath was finished that the Lord blessed it, because He had finished His work and was refreshed.
God would not have let Adam out of His sight on that 7th day. And to sugget Adam and Eve wandered off on that first day is a looong stretch, and not apparent in the text

 

[Robert Gwin]

The constant vain skewed theology that equates "under the law" with obligation to obey, is getting tiresome. Just as bad is the concept that the laws in the OT were designed as a means of salvation for Israel should they obey them. Both ill conceived ideas born from an innate prejudice against the so called "Jewish Sabbath"... Another tiresome ill conceived theological concept.

You may not have considered this sir, but Jehovah knew that it was impossible to obey the law when He gave them to us. That was part of the point. Someone who could obey that law would be perfect, thus having everlasting life. Since no one was able to do it, Jehovah gave that Covenant to us as a Tutor leading to the Christ Gal 3:23,24.

Of course it was a serious covenant, and with that Covenant, we became Jehovah's nation. When Jehovah took the Kingdom from those who had corrupted that Kingdom, and gave it to a nation producing it's fruits under the new Covenant, how much better it is for all of us, which includes people of every tribe, tongue, and nation.

 

[Brakelite]

Jehovah knew that it was impossible to obey the law when He gave them to us.

Yes He did. Which is precisely why the prophets currently reminded Israel that the just were to live by faith. Israel were called to obedience, but God never expected them to do it alone. That's where relationship comes in. Christians today abuse that relationship. They think it's all about them. How God removes His law, no longer expects obedience or faithfulness or duty or obligation; they think God has lowered the standard so they can get away with their addictions and their compromising and their worldliness and their unfaithfulness and treat Jesus like a get out of jail free card grazing in the back paddock like Israel did.
What do you think grace is? What do you believe grace was intended to accomplish? Do you think grace is merely a new testament concept? Look. From the very beginning in Eden God was searching and longing and working towards establishing a relationship with mankind. Why? So that He could offer is His strength, His Spirit, His power, His righteousness, to all those who sought Him and submitted to the conditions. And there really was only two conditions. Believe, and be willing to obey. If we are willing, God will accomplish the impossible. His law will be written on our hearts. Like it was with Abraham. Enoch. David. Jeremiah. Elijah. Elisha. John the Baptist. Anna. Simeon. And Jesus.
Sadly, Christians today don't want to obey. They fight tooth and nail to find excuses and reasons to avoid it. And God gives them the desires of their hearts.

 

[robert derrick]

It couldn't be plainer, and yet many stumble -- If you are led of a spirit against The Law, you are under the Law; it shall not be forgiven you. It's your spirit testifying of you against the Spirit of Christ testifying of Him in His Word the Scriptures -- If you tell yourself you are led by the Spirit of God because you are not under His Word in Scripture, God's Written Word, you are not under the law, you commit the ultimate and unforgivable sin.

If you tell yourself you are led by the Spirit of God because you are not under His Word in Scripture, God's Written Word

This is an impressive understanding. Had not heard it before, but completely agree.

Just yesterday, It dawned on me that 'the law' has become a bad name to many 'grace-filled' or 'grace-only' Christians, and so they shy away from or vehemently reject any notion of there even being a law for Christians to be responsible to, much less to---God forbid--actually keep and do.

And yet, they have no problem at all being told they must be doers of the Word and not hearers only, which shows to me that they can think anything they want of 'the Word' (and many do), so that they end up just doing what they want anyway. And yet, Paul and James are in perfect agreement on the Law and the Word:

For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified. (Rom 1:13)

But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves. (James 1:22)

The law of God is the Word of God, which was made flesh, and His law is now called the law of Christ (Gal 6:2), which is the doctrine of Christ (Heb 6:1), which if any bring not with them to minister, then we are neither to keep company with them nor even bid them God speed and blessing. (2 John 1:10)

As you may say: it couldn't be plainer, that when Paul speaks of not being under the law, He is speaking of any law that is not of Christ, which would include that of Moses, which is done away with the first covenant, because there certainly is law of God, that we are absolutely responsible to do and are under, the law of Christ:

And unto the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might gain the Jews; to them that are under the law, as under the law, that I might gain them that are under the law; To them that are without law, as without law, (being not without law to God, but under the law to Christ,) that I might gain them that are without law. (1 Cor 9)

Paul was willing to go to any length to win someone to Christ, even to be as a Jew under the law of Moses again to win them that still read Moses of old only (hence Timothy being circumcised for sake of ministry to them, to be as a Jew), but his willingness ends at the boundary of the law of Christ: he would not go nude to a nudist colony to win the nude freaks, because the law of Christ in Scripture declares we should be dressed modestly in public, where men and women are gathered together. (1 Tim 2:9)

Good job, Gerhard. I'm going to keep my eye on you, now that I've found you.

 

[BarneyFife]

 

[BarneyFife]

God rested one time after 6 days of creation but never COMMANDED anyone to keep the sabbath, until He gave it to Israel as a memorial of remembrance, of being set free from Egyptian slavery after their Exodus - and as a covenant sign only between the nation of Israel, and Himself:

It is clear from Genesis 26:5 that not everything God commanded was recorded in the Bible. There may not be Biblical proof that God gave the ten commandments to His people, but there is evidence. How did god expect Abel to know murder was a sin? And how did Joseph know adultery was a sin?

Deu 5:15 And thou shalt remember that thou wast a servant in the land of Egypt, and Jehovah thy God brought thee out thence by a mighty hand and by an outstretched arm: therefore Jehovah thy God commanded thee to keep the sabbath day.

And yet you counsel us, the Israel of God, to forget it, when we were servants of sin (symbolically Egypt) and were brought out by a mighty hand and an outstretched arm.

 

[robert derrick]

@post
@Curtis
@Robert Gwin
@robert derrick

Considering the vehement opposition to God's Commandments being displayed so openly and without shame on this forum, I have come to the conclusion that this enmity against the law arises for only one reason... You are still carnal, not born again, and while you claim to be spiritual it is a deception for it is nothing more than spiritual intellectualism. Give me one reason why verse 7 does not apply to you?

KJV Romans 8:5-8
5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.

Is not your opposition to the law of God an expression of your carnal fleshly nature? How can it be otherwise? You even boast of your lack of subjection to God's laws, how can Romans 8:7 not apply to you?

Thank you. I like it when the gloves come off with no more pretence of 'brotherhood' between false teachers and them that see Jesus only and obey His Word as written only:

Desiring to be teachers of the law; understanding neither what they say, nor whereof they affirm.

Considering the vehement opposition to God's Commandments being displayed so openly and without shame on this forum

A fair description of yourself.

You even boast of your lack of subjection to God's laws.

Sabbateurs can't even get this simple part right. How then can they get anything of finer understanding correct? Their ability to read others according to their own ignorance is astounding. If there were one, I would hand each of them a degree in the dark art of Satan's school of false accusation of the brethren. They have plumbed his depths wonderfully:

And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration. (Rev 17)

I am under the law to Christ with responsibility to be a doer of His law and Word to God as in my heart by His grace, and is plainly written in the book of the law of Christ, for all our sakes.

The law is not made for the righteous, yet He still had His law written down on paper, so that we could know the difference between His true law and the made-up iron-clad commandments and law of pompous men:

And the shapes of the locusts were like unto horses prepared unto battle; and on their heads were as it were crowns like gold, and their faces were as the faces of men. And they had breastplates, as it were breastplates of iron...

Sabbatismo Schlabbatismo. Sabbatismo Commando. Brain-washed Sabbatism. Sabbatist Saboteurs against Christ.

There are Christians, and then there are Sabbatists that like to call themselves Christian. There is Christianity, and then there is Sabbabeastianity.

I am honored to be on the above honor role. One man's trash is another man's treasure. And one man's treasured Sabbath of separation is another man's drive to work with the Lord.

 

[robert derrick]

It is clear from Genesis 26:5 that not everything God commanded was recorded in the Bible. There may not be Biblical proof that God gave the ten commandments to His people, but there is evidence. How did god expect Abel to know murder was a sin? And how did Joseph know adultery was a sin?

And yet you counsel us, the Israel of God, to forget it, when we were servants of sin (symbolically Egypt) and were brought out by a mighty hand and an outstretched arm.

Preaching law where there is no proof of law in Scripture is evidence of lawmakers that falsely judge and accuse others accordingly:

And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night. (Rev 12)

 

[BarneyFife]

God rested one time after 6 days of creation but never COMMANDED anyone to keep the sabbath, until He gave it to Israel as a memorial of remembrance, of being set free from Egyptian slavery after their Exodus - and as a covenant sign only between the nation of Israel, and Himself:

"One law shall be for the native-born and for the stranger who dwells among you.” (Exodus 12:49)​

It was always God's intention to assimilate the world into His Kingdom.

 

[robert derrick]

We read in Acts 13:42, 44
42) And when the Jews were gone out of the synagogue, the Gentiles besought that these words might be preached to them the next sabbath.
44) And the next sabbath day came almost the whole city together to hear the word of God.

Please note that the Jews gathered together on the seventh day of the week [Saturday] and also note the term "next" in Strong's Concordance means "between" therefore, in this case, "next/between sabbaths" would mean the day after Saturday will have to mean Sunday the first day of the week.

Now the most significant and profound Scripture reference concerning the change from Saturday Sabbath to Sunday Sabbath worship [which BTW, can't be seen in the English translation] is Matthew 28:1 that reads:
"In the end of the sabbath as it began to dawn towards the first day of the week came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulcher."

Please note that the printer is warning the English reader that words in italicize in the KJV Bible, are not in the original manuscripts. Also note that the word "week" is the plural Hebrew word "sabaton" that can be proven.

Hence, Matthew 28:1 can be rendered thus:
"In the end of the sabbaths as it began to dawn towards the first of the sabbaths came Mary..."

Now Matthew 28:1 seems to be in harmony and that God teaches us that He changed the Seventh Day Sabbath Worship to the First Day Sabbath which to us is Sunday.

To God Be The Glory

A good study. And if we were commanded to keep a Sabbath in the New Covenant, then it would be a good thing to know.

Which of course is why God has done away with all such carnal commandments. When God gave it to His people of the first covenant, they knew exactly what day and time He was speaking of as a nation and people separate from the world to themselves.

Now that God's people are everywhere in Christ, adn though we are now His holy nation on earth, there need be no such confusion about days and times and weeks, because they n o longer matter, since every day and time is good for worship of Him in Spirit and in truth.

 

[BarneyFife]

Preaching law where there is no proof of law in Scripture is evidence of lawmakers that falsely judge and accuse others accordingly:

And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night. (Rev 12)

Then we effectively toss out all Scripture that is not conclusive.

By the way, the accuser of the brethren is Satan himself. How could a human being accuse us before God day and night? Satan and his ilk accuse; God and His people only warn.

 

[BarneyFife]

Which of course is why God has done away with all such carnal commandments.

Therefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy and just and good. (Romans 7:12)

 

[BarneyFife]

We Have This Hope

1
We have this hope that burns within our hearts,
Hope in the coming of the Lord.
We have this faith that Christ alone imparts,
Faith in the promise of His Word.
We believe the time is here,
When the nations far and near
Shall awake, and shout, and sing
Hallelujah! Christ is King!
We have this hope that burns within our hearts,
Hope in the coming of the Lord.


2
We are united in Jesus Christ our Lord.
We are united in His love.
Love for the waiting people of the world.
People who need our Savior's love.
Soon the heav'ns will open wide,
Christ will come to claim His bride.
All the universe will sing
Hallelujah! Christ is King!
We have this hope, this faith, and God's great love,
We are united in Christ.

 

[QuickFilly]

And yet the church in Galatia was told they would be putting Christ to open shame if they became circumcised - which is in the law, and is greater than sabbath, because a male child is still circumcised if the 8th day falls on a seventh.

So how easy was it for God to save us?
And which is the least part of the letter of the law?

I wouldn't dare presume. It will be better if you question Jesus when you meet him.

 

[QuickFilly]

That's because the law is fulfilled in Christ. When something's purpose has been fulfilled it remains valid but in a different form. The purpose of the law was to train and discipline Israel to obey God. Now that Christ has fulfilled all the law with His obedience we have Him as our example, so that we are saved by grace through faith that He has done all the work on our behalf.

Revelation 10:7