Grace-Haters are incapable of honestly admitting what the (P) in Calvinism really means.

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JunChosen

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You are absolutely right! That is the truth. But Calvinism is Lie and there doctrines and beliefs are that God chooses whether you are saved or not, before the creation of anything.

I'm glad salvation is of God and NOT from men.

And the rest of your post is just messed up. It is a horrible religion.

James 1:26-27
26) If any man among you seem to be religious, and bridleth not his tongue, but deceivewth his own heart, this man's religion is vain.
27) Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visist the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the word.

When did you visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction? and have you kept yourself unspotted from the word?

To God Be The Glory

 
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Deuteronomy 4:29
29 But if from thence thou shalt seek the Lord thy God, thou shalt find him, if thou seek him with all thy heart and with all thy soul.
Joshua 24:15
15 And if it seem evil unto you to serve the Lord, choose you this day whom ye will serve; whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the flood, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye dwell: but as for me and my house, we will serve the Lord.
1 Chronicles 16:11
11 Seek the Lord and his strength, seek his face continually.
Psalm 14:2
2 The Lord looked down from heaven upon the children of men, to see if there were any that did understand, and seek God.
Proverbs 8:10
10 Receive my instruction, and not silver; and knowledge rather than choice gold.
Isaiah 55:6
6 Seek ye the Lord while he may be found, call ye upon him while he is near:

Yes, but no one will seek God on God's terms!!!

To God Be The Glory
 

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I'm glad salvation is of God and NOT from men.

A lot of people do not take into account Judgment Day, particularly your religion. What good is salvation going to do for you when you are standing in front of Christ answering for the lives you have ruined and souls you lead to hell. Another one bits the dust! Another one gone to hell.
 

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Which one of you on this OP is correct?

I am of course! I'm always right. And if someone says I'm not, then they are obviously wrong. So, read what I write, agree, and be no more confused. Simple.

Translations do contradict each other, and so I believe in choosing one to be our own final authority on doctrine. Otherwise, we tend to shop around for what we like, until we think we've found it.

The greatest benefit to these disputes are challenges to take a stand on Scripture. If we are honest about it, then we will be confronted with Scripture that causes our beliefs to change for the better. That in itself is good for living in Christ.

How can we continue to do the truth, if we are not being guided into all truth?

There is good disputing in the Scriptures, and then there is vain disputes of opinion without Scripture:

Now while Paul waited for them at Athens, his spirit was stirred in him, when he saw the city wholly given to idolatry. Therefore disputed he in the synagogue with the Jews, and with the devout persons, and in the market daily with them that met with him. (Acts 17)
THEN LET ALL THAT HAS BREATH CHOOSE YE THIS DAY THE KJV . Cause of all the english versions i have read , and i have read many ,
ITS the only one i can vouch for .
 

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Yes, but no one will seek God on God's terms!!!

To God Be The Glory
Then they choose death . But i say CHOOSE YE LIFE . THIS LIFE IS IN THE BIBLICAL JESUS . AND your hearts shall be changed
to loving TRUTH on GOD S terms . LET THE GLORIOUS and MAGNIFICENT LORD BE PRAISED .
 
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If any man among you seem to be religious, and bridleth not his tongue, but deceivewth his own heart, this man's religion is vain.

Matthew 23:33 You snakes, you offspring of vipers, how will you escape the sentence of hell?
Who says the Bible is not relevant today?
 
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A lot of people do not take into account Judgment Day, particularly your religion. What good is salvation going to do for you when you are standing in front of Christ answering for the lives you have ruined and souls you lead to hell. Another one bits the dust! Another one gone to hell.
The answer to this ................THERE WILL BE NO SALVTION FOR ANY WHO DOES SUCH A THING .
Thus the solution is , we learn the biblical JESUS and learn HIM WELL and all sound doctrine well .
For many are not going to hear , welcome to salvation on HIS DAY . rather , I NEVER KNEW YOU , DEPART TO THAT LAKE OF FIRE .
 
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A lot of people do not take into account Judgment Day, particularly your religion. What good is salvation going to do for you when you are standing in front of Christ answering for the lives you have ruined and souls you lead to hell. Another one bits the dust! Another one gone to hell.

Many so-called Christians have no Idea nor understanding what is the character and nature of salvation so they criticize those who hold to the true Gospel.

To be honest Calvin and the Reformists understood the nature of salvation where in contrasts, today's Christendom teaches that all one has to do is, "believe and accept Jesus Christ" or "have faith in Jesus" to become saved.

Yet, believe / faith is a work that we do and is contrary to Ephesians 2: 8-9.

And if we have faith why do we need to exercise it? In fact, having "faith in Jesus" will NEVER save anyone but rather it is the faith [OF] Jesus that saves

Galatians 2:16
"Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law,
but by the faith [OF] Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith [OF] Christ, and not by the works of the law: FOR by the works of the law shall no flash be justified
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Romans 8:1
There is therefore now no CONDEMNATION to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

According to the above passage no true believer will ever face Judgement Day!

To God Be The Glory
 
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Then they choose death

No need for them to choose death for the gates of hell is upon them already!

[QUOTE="amigo de christo, post: 1083266, member: 9169"]But i say CHOOSE YE LIFE . THIS LIFE IS IN THE BIBLICAL JESUS .[/QUOTE]

You better believe that life is in Jesus, however seeing that there are none righteous no, not one [without exception] who then will choose / seek after God per Romans 3? N-O-N-E !!!

To God Be The Glory
 
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Many so-called Christians have no Idea nor understanding what is the character and nature of salvation so they criticize those who hold to the true Gospel.

How can the true Gospel blaspheme God....ruin lives....and lead people to hell.

To be honest Calvin and the Reformists understood the nature of salvation where in contrasts, today's Christendom teaches that all one has to do is, "believe and accept Jesus Christ" or "have faith in Jesus" to become saved.

That is not my religion and there are plenty of Protestants that do not believe that.
And if we have faith why do we need to exercise it?

Ya I get the point is like sign up for it and forget it. Why be good and why do good....it is a twisted belief and a corruption of the Gospel of Christ.

Galatians 2:16
"Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law,
but by the faith [OF] Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith [OF] Christ, and not by the works of the law: FOR by the works of the law shall no flash be justified
."

James 2:26
For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.

Matthew31-46
31 “When the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the holy angels with Him, then He will sit on the throne of His glory. 32 All the nations will be gathered before Him, and He will separate them one from another, as a shepherd divides his sheep from the goats. 33 And He will set the sheep on His right hand, but the goats on the left. 34 Then the King will say to those on His right hand, ‘Come, you blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: 35 for I was hungry and you gave Me food; I was thirsty and you gave Me drink; I was a stranger and you took Me in; 36 I was naked and you clothed Me; I was sick and you visited Me; I was in prison and you came to Me.’

37 “Then the righteous will answer Him, saying, ‘Lord, when did we see You hungry and feed You, or thirsty and give You drink? 38 When did we see You a stranger and take You in, or naked and clothe You? 39 Or when did we see You sick, or in prison, and come to You?’ 40 And the King will answer and say to them, ‘Assuredly, I say to you, inasmuch as you did it to one of the least of these My brethren, you did it to Me.’

41 “Then He will also say to those on the left hand, ‘Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels: 42 for I was hungry and you gave Me no food; I was thirsty and you gave Me no drink; 43 I was a stranger and you did not take Me in, naked and you did not clothe Me, sick and in prison and you did not visit Me.’

44 “Then they also will answer Him, saying, ‘Lord, when did we see You hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison, and did not minister to You?’ 45 Then He will answer them, saying, ‘Assuredly, I say to you, inasmuch as you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to Me.’ 46 And these will go away into everlasting punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.”

Romans 8:1
There is therefore now no CONDEMNATION to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

2nd Corinthians 5:10
For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, that each one may receive the things done in the body, according to what he has done, whether good or bad.

Romans 2:6
He will judge everyone according to what they have done.

Revelation 20:11-15
Then I saw a great white throne and Him who sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away. And there was found no place for them. And I saw the dead, small and great, standing before God, and books were opened. And another book was opened, which is the Book of Life. And the dead were judged according to their works, by the things which were written in the books. The sea gave up the dead who were in it, and Death and Hades delivered up the dead who were in them. And they were judged, each one according to his works. Then Death and Hades were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. And anyone not found written in the Book of Life was cast into the lake of fire.

Ecclesiastes 12:14
For God will bring every deed into judgment, with every secret thing, whether good or evil.

Hey! ya want to compare scriptures, I can keep up.
 

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Popycock. You deny freewill. What were the Israelites doing when they followed false gods? "Choose you, this day who you will serve."
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And yet you cannot find man described as having free will once in scripture. Sounds as if the rubbish is coming from your keyboard.
 
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And yet you cannot find man described as having free will once in scripture. Sounds as if the rubbish is coming from your keyboard.
Sound like something a cult would say to some one to lure them in. Even though it does not make a lick of sense. We exercise free-will every time we sin.
The scriptures are not going to say that you have no choice but to sin and keep sinning. Which is why Christ and the Apostles warned about sinning. Nor is it going to say, don't blame yourselves, God made you sin.

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Sound like something a cult would say to some one to lure them in. Even though it does not make a lick of sense. We exercise free-will every time we sin.
The scriptures are not going to say that you have no choice but to sin and keep sinning. Which is why Christ and the Apostles warned about sinning. Nor is it going to say, don't blame yourselves, God made you sin.

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What a foolish post.
I guess when you have no scriptural content you resort to this kind of garbage.
 

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I have a real problem with "Total Depravity". I was told by a Calvinist that the "predestined" do not exercise freedom of choice to turn from sin because they are so "totally depraved" that God has to "clean them up a bit" in order that they may see what privileged beneficiaries they are of such glorious salvation denied to those chosen for the Lake of Fire.

So, I asked him to explain how it is that humanity in just a short 6,000 year existence has managed to become so "depraved" that they are unable to sense the presence of God via the Holy Spirit...but one who has been around a lot longer, who has chosen to throw off all allegiance to the Creator and wage the bitterest warfare against Him, who is arguably the most depraved being in history of God's whole universe --- SATAN --- is still able to not only sense God's presence, but dialogue with Him, challenge Him to spiritual contests (Job), comprehend God's will and submit to it where God has said "thus far and no further", and without hesitation immediately recognize His only begotten Son Jesus.

Man, we must be pretty messed up to be so much more "totally depraved" than Satan.

Great post, phoneman. Personally, I don't think there is a more dangerous denominational umbrella than those who came out of the beginning of the Reformation.
 

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A righteous person is simply someone who is right with God.

Yes.

1 John 3:21-24
21 Beloved, if our heart does not condemn us, we have confidence toward God. 22 And whatever we ask we receive from Him, because we keep His commandments and do those things that are pleasing in His sight. 23 And this is His commandment: that we should believe on the name of His Son Jesus Christ and love one another, as He gave us commandment.

24 Now he who keeps His commandments abides in Him, and He in him. And by this we know that He abides in us, by the Spirit whom He has given us.
 
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2 John 1:9
Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God.
He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.

So tell us if you know...what is the doctrine of Christ.
it is not written in the bible...so you will not be able to quote
someone else's words.

Do you not recognize this as the doctrine of Christ? Did Christ not say to believe on Him? Did he not say to love one another? Well...

1 John 3:21-24
21 Beloved, if our heart does not condemn us, we have confidence toward God. 22 And whatever we ask we receive from Him, because we keep His commandments and do those things that are pleasing in His sight. 23 And this is His commandment: that we should believe on the name of His Son Jesus Christ and love one another, as He gave us commandment. 24 Now he who keeps His commandments abides in Him, and He in him. And by this we know that He abides in us, by the Spirit whom He has given us.
 

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What a foolish post.
I guess when you have no scriptural content you resort to this kind of garbage.

People who do not "get it" or make foolish comments just do not understand that heir father the devil is a liar from the beginning.

John 8:43-47 reads
43) Why do ye not understand our speech? even because ye
cannot hear our words
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44) Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer form thew beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
45) And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not
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47) He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, BECAUSE YE ARE NOT OF GOD.

To God Be The Glory
 
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What a foolish post.
I guess when you have no scriptural content you resort to this kind of garbage.

LOL A picture is worth a thousand words. How many things can we say are not in the scriptures, is that to way to form a religion? I mean the sky is the limit.
 

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And yet you cannot find man described as having free will once in scripture. Sounds as if the rubbish is coming from your keyboard.
David and Bathsheba. David knew he had done wrong, but what he did, he did of his own freewill.

Was it the Lord's will for Solomon to convert to paganism? Certainly not. Solomon did it of his own freewill.
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