Modern day miracles

[GaryAnderson]

I mentioned the testimonies above which the doctors could not explain but the people attributed to miracles of the myrrh-streaming icon in Pennsylvania. Those are the stories I’m looking for.

 

[Mungo]

Do you have anything of substance or merit to contribute to the discussion?



I did as i said earlier. You are simply hiding behind semantics to avoid the inescapable reality when the weakness of your non points is publically exposed.

So, stop waffling and start actually refuting if possible for you

I'll be gentle.

Nothing to discuss if you just keep giving your opinions without any evidence to support them.

 

[An Apologetic Sheepdog]

Nothing to discuss if you just keep giving your opinions without any evidence to support them.

Run Forrest Run. I not only did but also offered for you to present a case and i would fix it for you. Instead of vigorous debate, you hide.

Now, present one specifically and lets take it apart and see.

 

[Pathfinder7]

12459"]Anyone familiar with the myrrh-streaming icon in Pennsylvania?
This icon has been known to perform miracles and heal people with incurable diseases.
I was lucky to be anointed with the oil from this icon at my local church.
Just wanted to share this news with you and ask if you’ve experienced any modern day miracles.
An Encounter with the Mother of God - Signs In Our Times | Ancient Faith Ministries

Also on the 15th of this month, the most holy ceremony of Virgin Mary takes place in the island of Tinos, Greece where the icon has performed many miracles. It has an amazing history of discovery by a nun.

The Miraculous Icon of Virgin Mary in Tinos island | Greeka[/QUOTE]
I remember.. reading similar stories (Catholic), many years ago.
- In another country..
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Are you an Orthodox?
- If you are..which (branch) one?
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I was in Russia..some years ago.
- One fellow talked/explained to me..
- About the 'Icon' in Russian Orthodox.

 

[Mungo]

Run Forrest Run. I not only did but also offered for you to present a case and i would fix it for you. Instead of vigorous debate, you hide.

Now, present one specifically and lets take it apart and see.

You've given nothing but opinions.

 

[An Apologetic Sheepdog]

You've given nothing but opinions.

No and no matter how many times you click your heels and try to make it be true, it isnt.

While you are spinning in circles, don't forget part 2 where I directly proposed a specific verse and start.

That's where rubber and road will meet so lets have one.

 

[Mungo]

No and no matter how many times you click your heels and try to make it be true, it isnt.

While you are spinning in circles, don't forget part 2 where I directly proposed a specific verse and start.

That's where rubber and road will meet so lets have one.

If you have given evidence then point to it.

 

[An Apologetic Sheepdog]

If you have given evidence then point to it.

Again, on the possibility that you may actually simply not understand, the statements themselves are evidence. If you think there is a flaw then the burden shifts to YOU to point out that "flaw" and then back up your position with your "evidence". Then the pendulum swings back and so forth.

A repetitive obstinate circular statement is not a counter to anything.

Now you have 2 options

Demonstrate the specific error with appropriate scripture in what i have posted and i will correct your misunderstanding

Point out your own position with appropriate scripture and if in error, i will correct your misunderstanding.

I'm here when you do either way.

 

[GaryAnderson]

Are you an Orthodox?
- If you are..which (branch) one?
--
I was in Russia..some years ago.
- One fellow talked/explained to me..
- About the 'Icon' in Russian Orthodox.

Hello @Pathfinder7. I do go to my local Greek Orthodox Church and it’s in the church where I’ve seen people changed, healed and miraculously cured from diseases. The power of prayer creates miracles.
The icon I’m talking about (In Pennsylvania) has been dripping myrrh for years and no one can explain it. There is also another icon in Egypt which is dripping myrrh.
Softener of Evil Hearts

Tomorrow is also a big day in Tinos, Greece where many pilgrims visit the church of St. Mary and many of their prayers are heard.

 

[Mungo]

Again, on the possibility that you may actually simply not understand, the statements themselves are evidence. If you think there is a flaw then the burden shifts to YOU to point out that "flaw" and then back up your position with your "evidence". Then the pendulum swings back and so forth.

A repetitive obstinate circular statement is not a counter to anything.

Now you have 2 options

Demonstrate the specific error with appropriate scripture in what i have posted and i will correct your misunderstanding

Point out your own position with appropriate scripture and if in error, i will correct your misunderstanding.

I'm here when you do either way.

The only thing your opinions are evidence of is your opinions.
They are not evidence of the truth of your opinions.
If you have no evidence then you are just spouting hot air.

You want me to give evidence (e.g.. scripture), but are incapable (or unwilling ) to give such evidence yourself.

 

[dev553344]

I didn't ask for stories, testimonies or claims ( you can get plenty of those with aliens, big foot and Nessie sometimes with footprints and fuzzy pictures too), I asked specifically for researched cases with actual evidence vetted by proper authority and published.

Got any of those?

Thanks

Do you believe the healing stories of Jesus in the bible? There is no proof of it either. Perhaps you're just not believing people's testimonies. Doubting.

 

[Pathfinder7]

Hello @Pathfinder7. I do go to my local Greek Orthodox Church and it’s in the church where I’ve seen people changed, healed and miraculously cured from diseases. The power of prayer creates miracles.
The icon I’m talking about (In Pennsylvania) has been dripping myrrh for years and no one can explain it. There is also another icon in Egypt which is dripping myrrh.
Softener of Evil Hearts

Tomorrow is also a big day in Tinos, Greece where many pilgrims visit the church of St. Mary and many of their prayers are heard.

Thanks for info.

 

[An Apologetic Sheepdog]

The only thing your opinions are evidence of is your opinions.
They are not evidence of the truth of your opinions.
If you have no evidence then you are just spouting hot air.

You want me to give evidence (e.g.. scripture), but are incapable (or unwilling ) to give such evidence yourself.

Still waffling I see

 

[An Apologetic Sheepdog]

Do you believe the healing stories of Jesus in the bible? There is no proof of it either. Perhaps you're just not believing people's testimonies. Doubting.

That's not it at all. I just know from almost 50 years experience that "witness testimony' in the BEST CASE is almost always inaccurate on all salient points. In the worst case its flat out wrong ( we can debate accidental or deliberate but wrong regardless)

So when the "baseline" is a "miracle" ( defined as an event that in and of itself that is beyond all laws of physics and performed by God) then thats the HIGHEST possible threshold of required PROOF and 'witness testimony' alone is LIGHT YEARS below meeting that burden.

 

[Mungo]

Still waffling I see

Still not giving any evidence for your opinions I see.
No scripture to back them up?

 

[An Apologetic Sheepdog]

Still not giving any evidence for your opinions I see.
No scripture to back them up?

Been down this road. You have been given 2 options yet you avoid them at all costs.
We both know that even you realize you have no merit to your points- you are just engaged in circular waffling to avoid being publicly exposed on it..

Once again, give me a point you feel in error ( and what the alleged fact is) or either present your own. Don't worry about backing up- you will then get more than you want or can handle. But we both already know that is why you haven't so far.

 

[Mungo]

Been down this road. You have been given 2 options yet you avoid them at all costs.
We both know that even you realize you have no merit to your points- you are just engaged in circular waffling to avoid being publicly exposed on it..

Once again, give me a point you feel in error ( and what the alleged fact is) or either present your own. Don't worry about backing up- you will then get more than you want or can handle. But we both already know that is why you haven't so far.

Yes we have been down this road.
You giving opinions with no evidence.
Me asking for evidence to backup your opinions.
You making no attempt to give any evidence and claiming your opinions are sufficient.
You then trying to blame me for your failures.

 

[An Apologetic Sheepdog]

Yes we have been down this road.
You giving opinions with no evidence.
Me asking for evidence to backup your opinions.
You making no attempt to give any evidence and claiming you opinions are sufficient.
You then trying to blame me for your failures.

20th verse same as the other 19 now do you have a correction to make on anything i said or a point you think is correct?

That's a simple request, why do you run from it?

 

[Mungo]

20th verse same as the other 19 now do you have a correction to make on anything i said or a point you think is correct?

That's a simple request, why do you run from it?

Here is a simple request.
Provide some evidence yo back up your opinions.
Surely that can't be difficult.
Why do you keep running from it?

 

[An Apologetic Sheepdog]

Here is a simple request.
Provide some evidence yo back up your opinions.
Surely that can't be difficult.
Why do you keep running from it?

I've asked almost a dozen times. Pick a specific one and provide one of your own.

You keep running from that. Why?