The Millennial Kingdom

[Iconoclast]

Disagree. Peter was very puzzled why Jesus wasn’t setting up His kingdom then, instead of ascending to heaven.

All the Jews, including the apostles, were hyper focused on Messiah coming and ruling His kingdom and overthrowing their Roman oppressors, to the point of many rejecting Him for not doing so.

Even John the Baptist, who had already publicly proclaimed that Jesus was the messiah, began to doubt Jesus for not ruling as king - thus sent his disciples to ask Jesus, “are you the one who was to come, or should we expect someone else?”

The physical kingdom comes at His return to earth and He then rules the nations with a rod of iron for a millennia.

His spiritual kingdom came while He was on earth the first time, the physical kingdom comes in the future.

Shalom Aleichem

Curtis,
consider psalm 110...He rules in the midst of His enemies...it spreads worldwide,psalm22:27-30...
this implies a long period of time.
The Apostles did not get it until after Pentecost as Jesus told them in jn14-17.

 

[Iconoclast]

This is either wishful thinking or total nonsense. Daniel 7 refers to the Millennium, as well as the eternal Kingdom of God on earth under Christ AFTER His Second Coming. And after the Tribulation and the Great Tribulation.

If Christ's Kingdom has "already been inaugurated" how come Satan and his minions are having a heyday on earth RIGHT NOW? Do you see the absurdity of your statement?

Enoch,
read the passage. Jesus is viewed COMING UP, not going down.
When did that happen?

 

[Iconoclast]

It is not the final judgment - which is at the end if the 1000 years. Didn't you read the verses in Rev. 20 where it states that? No, you ignore it or distort. Amillenialists/Preterists/partial Pretersists have a tendency to symbolize whatever does not fit into there scenario.


This is after the 1000 years. You again have a problem? A mental block about Jesus literal kingdom in earth. I posted 8 points of Zach. - you skipped iver them I suppose. You are only interested in your view. That is narrow, closed minded.


Right - in the Middle East. The valley of Megiddo ... "blood for 200 miles up ti the horses bridle".That part of the world will be on fire, billions of Muslims will die any any other nation that cimes against Jerusalem.


He dies touch ground and stays awhile -1000 years. The twinkling if an eye event happens before that.


After the 1000 years. There is an order of events you just want to combine altogether.



Rev. 22 is post Millennial Kingdom. We see the New Jerusalem coming down - that is a whole different time and existence. There are people in the Millennial having babies and DEATH is still around. Death and Hades gets destroyed after the 1000 years.




Post Millennial Kingdom.


New Jerusalem - after 1000 years.

there are not enough horses on the planet for that amount of blood to be shed my hyper literal friend.
We have come to the Heavenly Zion and Jerusalem now.Heb 12:22-29..
we Receiving a Kingdom...did you notice that....Jesus rules now.

 

[Truth7t7]

This is after the 1000 years. You again have a problem?

Your claim is "False" again, (The Day Of The Lord) is before your eyes, taking place as Jesus Christ returns in the (Second Coming) to the Mount of Olives

Will you now claim (The Day Of The Lord) in Zechariah 14:1 is different than that seen in 2 Peter 3:10?

Zechariah 14:1-4KJV
1 Behold, the day of the Lord cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.
2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.
3 Then shall the Lord go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.
4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.

(2 Peter) 3:10KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

 

[Iconoclast]

Your claim is "False" again, (The Day Of The Lord) is before your eyes, taking place as Jesus Christ returns in the (Second Coming) to the Mount of Olives

Zechariah 14:1-4KJV
1 Behold, the day of the Lord cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.
2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.
3 Then shall the Lord go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.
4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.

There were many day of the Lord judgments.
You are describing the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 ad.
mt24, luke 21.

 

[Truth7t7]

There were many day of the Lord judgments.
You are describing the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 ad.
mt24, luke 21.

Preterism in 70AD fulfillment is a false teaching

"No" the Abomination of desolation, great tribulation, didn't take place in 70AD, they are future events unfulfilled

 

[Truth7t7]

There are people in the Millennial having babies and DEATH is still around. Death and Hades gets destroyed after the 1000 years.

Post Millennial Kingdom.


New Jerusalem - after 1000 years.

Your claim is "False" again, (Death Is Swallowed Up In Victory) At The Second Coming (The End)

That's Correct, In The Twinkling Of An Eye, Death Is Defeated, (The End) And It Takes Place At The (Second Coming)

As scripture clearly teaches below in 1 Corinthinas 15:23-24 , when Jesus Christ returns then comes (The End)

Many disregard (Then Cometh The End) as they desire to see a mortal Millennial Kingdom on earth, after the coming of Jesus Christ

afterward they that are Christ's at his coming. Then cometh the end, not a Millennial Kingdom on this earth as many falsely claim

(Then Cometh The End)

(Death Is Swallowed Up In Victory)

1 Corinthians 15:21-26 & 51-54KJV
21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.

51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

 

[Truth7t7]

Rev. 22 is post Millennial Kingdom. We see the New Jerusalem coming down - that is a whole different time and existence.

Ron You Deny The (River Of Life) (Living Waters) Is Seen In Zechariah 14:8 Below?

(Revelation) 22:1KJV
And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb.

(Zechariah) 14:8KJV
8 And it shall be in that day, that living waters shall go out from Jerusalem; half of them toward the former sea, and half of them toward the hinder sea: in summer and in winter shall it be.

 

[Iconoclast]

Preterism in 70AD fulfillment is a false teaching

"No" the Abomination of desolation, great tribulation, didn't take place in 70AD, they are future events unfulfilled

jesus spoke of the temple destruction and abomination that makes desolate.
it happened then...onlynrev19-22 left to be completed

 

[Truth7t7]

jesus spoke of the temple destruction and abomination that makes desolate.
it happened then...onlynrev19-22 left to be completed

The entire chapter of Matthew 24 evolves around answering the question on the (Second Coming) and the (End Of The World) these are future events, and they didnt take place in 70AD

Feel free to start a thread regarding you Preterist belief, I will be more than happy to show the errors in preterism

Matthew 24:3KJV
3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?

 

[Iconoclast]

The entire chapter of Matthew 24 evolves around answering the question on the (Second Coming) and the (End Of The World) these are future events, and they didnt take place in 70AD

Feel free to start a thread regarding you Preterist belief, I will be more than happy to show the errors in preterism

Matthew 24:3KJV
3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?

it is the end of the age...the jewish theocracy

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

Your claim is "False" again, (Death Is Swallowed Up In Victory) At The Second Coming (The End)

Death of our conversation will soon be swallowed up in victory. Lol
We already been down this road. Amillennialists seem to have blinders on - can't find there way.

 

[Iconoclast]

Death of our conversation will soon be swallowed up in victory. Lol
We already been down this road. Amillennialists seem to ha e blinders on - can't find there way.

Hello brother,
it is even worse than that,lol
i went from dispy premill, looked at historic pre. then optimistic amill, and am now postmillenial lol.
I used to teach what you do, until I saw that I could not ignore many other portions of scripture.
We should worship and serve the Lord no matter which calendar we think fits the scripture best.

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

Ron You Deny The (River Of Life) (Living Waters) Is Seen In Zechariah 14:8 Below?

(Revelation) 22:1KJV
And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb.

(Zechariah) 14:8KJV
8 And it shall be in that day, that living waters shall go out from Jerusalem; half of them toward the former sea, and half of them toward the hinder sea: in summer and in winter shall it be.

You can't grasp this verse you are quoting. If all that was said was "living waters", one may suspect that it is symbolic for the Holy Spirit. But more information is given that completely supports the Millennial Kingdom.
The waters from the Great tribulation were dead, fish dead in 1/3 of the seas and lakes. The waters were poisoned as well. Dead waters. So now Jesus makes all things new. Jerusalem will be devastated. Imagine post apocalyptic scenes from movies. It will be totaled. So then the survivors live in tents for awhile. The clean up efforts are extreme. The Jews take 7 months to bury the dead - Do you recall that scripture? Do you remember how long it took to clean up the WTC Twin Towers. Imagine all of NYC leveled. Forget about it, relocate and build somewhere else. Would be nice if Jesus waves His hand and it all disappears.
Oh, did you notice the words sea and winter and summer? The New Jerusalem after the Millennial Kingdom will not have seas, summers or winters. Hello, this is still earth.

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

Hello brother,
it is even worse than that,lol
i went from dispy premill, looked at historic pre. then optimistic amill, and am now postmillenial lol.
I used to teach what you do, until I saw that I could not ignore many other portions of scripture.
We should worship and serve the Lord no matter which calendar we think fits the scripture best.

I hear ya, there are lots of views. Like the pandemic, many people are confused and don't know what's really going on.

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

Will you now claim (The Day Of The Lord) in Zechariah 14:1 is different than that seen in 2 Peter 3:10?

The day of the Lord is both the beginning and the end of the Millennial Kingdom, 1000 years. There are resurrections and judgments before it and the second resurrection and Great White Throne Judgment after. Remember "a day to the Lord is like 1000 years and a 1000 years is like a day."

 

[David H.]

I hear ya, there are lots of views. Like the pandemic, many people are confused and don't know what's really going on.

There is only one right view, and that is mine!.... LOL SARCASM intended

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

Daniel 7 refers to Jesus' ascension right before Pentecost, and the Kingdom has already been inaugurated at Jesus first coming. It will grow until Jesus delivers it up to the Father, with Jesus ruling in the midst of His enemies psalm110

Jesus spiritual kingdom came for sure, it is growing but it has not been relaesed as this scripture states. "Then to Him was given dominion glory and kingdom, that all people's, nations and languages should serve Him. "

ALL PEOPLE'S, NATIONS AND LANGUAGES SHOULD SERVE HIM.
THAT HAS NOT BEEN REALIZED, BUT WILL BE SOON.

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

There is only one right view, and that is mine!.... LOL SARCASM intended

You have to have a sense of humor with this. It is funny, most guys still retain pride and arrogance, stubbornly insisting that there way is right. Since they aren't qualified to really teach in their own church as Pastors or Priests, they go online and pretend to be wise and others should learn. They all believe they have unlocked the secrets. It makes them feel better about themselves, contributing in some way ... like what I'm doing right now!

 

[David H.]

You have to have a sense of humor with this. It is funny, most guys still retain pride and arrogance, stubbornly insisting that there way is right. Since they aren't qualified to really teach in their own church as Pastors or Priests, they go online and pretend to be wise and others should learn. They all believe they have unlocked the secrets. It makes them feel better about themselves, contributing in some way ... like what I'm doing right now!

We all Know in Part.... I love reading other people's views on eschatology because i learn from them, whether negatively as in a face palm or positively in that there is something I had not considered before. I Have come to My conclusions from my studies (Pre wrath/ premillennialist), But I am very familiar with all the other views and why they have their proponents. The Most important thing is that we are all watching and waiting for His Return.... And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh. (Luke 21:28)