The Millennial Kingdom

[Timtofly]

(Revelation) 11:18 & (Revelation) 20:12 Below Are "Parallel" Teachings Of The Same Event, The Final Judgement (The End)

(Revelation) 11:18KJV
18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.

(Revelation) 20:12KJV
12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

No it is not. The 7th Trumpet is not when heaven and earth pass away. The FP has not even been introduced until after the 7th Trumpet starts. Satan is not cast out until after the 7th Trumpet starts. Chapter 11 starts the 7th Trumpet. Satan is cast out in chapter 12. The FP shows up in chapter 13, after the 7th Trumpet is already blasting for a week of days. Daniel 9:7 is the week of days of the 7th Trumpet. Daniel 9:7 is not heaven and earth passing away and the start of the NHNE.

The heavens just melted in the 6th Seal. That is before the FIRST Trumpet. People look up at the 6th Seal and heaven is gone. All those trillions of stars are now angels standing on the earth. Yes the white throne of God is seen at the center of the earth, the sides of the north. All will be looking north at the face of the One sitting on the throne reaching hundreds of miles from earth into the now darkened sky only lit up by the figure of God Himself on the throne. This is even before the angels sound the Trumpets. This is before the 144k are sealed. The church is now glorified and watching from Paradise. The GT is about to convene. The 7th Trumpet will bring the final harvest to a close. Daniel's 70th week is about to be over when the 7th Trumpet stops sounding.

Buy then Satan gets 42 months of desolation. Then an only then will souls be beheaded. So the Second Coming already happened before those resurrected in Revelation 20:4 were even killed. And that was not some indefinite 1991 years ago. The Second Coming is about to happen at any moment. Then your amill theory will burn up with all the other imaginations of fallen human flesh.

 

[Truth7t7]

Can you find beheaded people during a 42 month period before the Cross where Satan was allowed complete desolation of the earth? Those people are resurrected in Revelation 20:4 and reign for 1000 years. You cannot rewrite history to refute my points.

Yes it is on earth. Jesus Christ just killed all of Adam's remaining flesh and blood at Armageddon on earth. Adam's flesh and blood do not occupy another area besides earth. Where does it claim, Jesus went any where after Armageddon? Were not Satan, the FP, and Satan defeated at the same time? Has there been an FP and beast in the Lake of fire since the Cross? Where is the verse that claims the Cross was the actual battle of Armageddon, and Satan was bound at this Armageddon/Cross event?

Your In Denial Of (The End) At The Second Coming Of Jesus Christ

As scripture clearly teaches below in 1 Corinthinas 15:23-24 , when Jesus Christ returns then comes (The End)

Many disregard (Then Cometh The End) as they desire to see a mortal Millennial Kingdom on earth, after the coming of Jesus Christ

afterward they that are Christ's at his coming. Then cometh the end, not a Millennial Kingdom on this earth as many falsely claim

(Then Cometh The End)

(Death Is Swallowed Up In Victory)

1 Corinthians 15:21-26 & 51-54KJV
21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.

51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

 

[Truth7t7]

No it is not. The 7th Trumpet is not when heaven and earth pass away. The FP has not even been introduced until after the 7th Trumpet starts. Satan is not cast out until after the 7th Trumpet starts. Chapter 11 starts the 7th Trumpet. Satan is cast out in chapter 12. The FP shows up in chapter 13, after the 7th Trumpet is already blasting for a week of days. Daniel 9:7 is the week of days of the 7th Trumpet. Daniel 9:7 is not heaven and earth passing away and the start of the NHNE.

The heavens just melted in the 6th Seal. That is before the FIRST Trumpet. People look up at the 6th Seal and heaven is gone. All those trillions of stars are now angels standing on the earth. Yes the white throne of God is seen at the center of the earth, the sides of the north. All will be looking north at the face of the One sitting on the throne reaching hundreds of miles from earth into the now darkened sky only lit up by the figure of God Himself on the throne. This is even before the angels sound the Trumpets. This is before the 144k are sealed. The church is now glorified and watching from Paradise. The GT is about to convene. The 7th Trumpet will bring the final harvest to a close. Daniel's 70th week is about to be over when the 7th Trumpet stops sounding.

Buy then Satan gets 42 months of desolation. Then an only then will souls be beheaded. So the Second Coming already happened before those resurrected in Revelation 20:4 were even killed. And that was not some indefinite 1991 years ago. The Second Coming is about to happen at any moment. Then your amill theory will burn up with all the other imaginations of fallen human flesh.

Your In Denial Of (The End) At The Second Coming Of Jesus Christ

Jesus Christ Returns In Fire And Final Judgement, Dissolving This Existing Earth By Fire, Immediately After The Tribulation

This Existing Heaven And Earth Will Be (Replaced) By The New Heaven, Earth, Jerusalem, A New Creation, At The Return Of Jesus Christ

(Behold, I Make All Things New)

2 Peter 3:10-13KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

Revelation 21:1-5KJV
1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.

Matthew 24:29-30KJV
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

1 Corinthians 3:13KJV
13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.

Luke 17:29-30KJV
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

2 Thessalonians 1:7-9KJV
7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

Malachi 3:2KJV
2 But who may abide the day of his coming? and who shall stand when he appeareth? for he is like a refiner's fire, and like fullers' soap:

Psalm 46:6KJV
6 The heathen raged, the kingdoms were moved: he uttered his voice, the earth melted.

Psalm 50:3KJV
3 Our God shall come, and shall not keep silence: a fire shall devour before him, and it shall be very tempestuous round about him.

Psalm 97:5KJV
5 The hills melted like wax at the presence of the Lord, at the presence of the Lord of the whole earth.

Isaiah 66:15KJV
15 For, behold, the Lord will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire.

Zechariah 14:12KJV
12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the Lord will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.

Nahum 1:5-6KJV
5 The mountains quake at him, and the hills melt, and the earth is burned at his presence, yea, the world, and all that dwell therein.
6 Who can stand before his indignation? and who can abide in the fierceness of his anger? his fury is poured out like fire, and the rocks are thrown down by him.

Revelation 20:9KJV
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

 

[Timtofly]

Your In Denial Of (The End) At The Second Coming Of Jesus Christ

As scripture clearly teaches below in 1 Corinthinas 15:23-24 , when Jesus Christ returns then comes (The End)

Many disregard (Then Cometh The End) as they desire to see a mortal Millennial Kingdom on earth, after the coming of Jesus Christ

afterward they that are Christ's at his coming. Then cometh the end, not a Millennial Kingdom on this earth as many falsely claim

(Then Cometh The End)

(Death Is Swallowed Up In Victory)

1 Corinthians 15:21-26 & 51-54KJV
21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.

51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

You have no answer. Why can you not answer a simple question?

I do not deny this verse, but you certainly add to God's Word:

23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are (when, Truth7t7's addition to fit then) Christ's at his coming.

See this break here in thought?

24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

The first group is the firstfruits on the Cross, those set free from Abraham's bosom. Now 1991 years later, those at the Second Coming. Then after the Millennium, then and only then comes the end. Many amil deny the period of time between the Second Coming and then comes the end.

Once more, can you find beheaded people during a 42 month period just prior to the Cross who are raised from the dead in Revelation 20:4 whom you claim were beheaded prior to the Cross in Scripture and resurrected at the Cross, the start of your indefinite Millennium?

Were Satan, the FP, and the beast defeated at Armageddon or at the Cross, the start of the FP and beast being cast into the lake of fire at the Cross, the start of your indefinite Millennium? Was Satan defeated at Armageddon or the Cross, and bound at the start of your indefinite Millennium? Was Armageddon the Cross event that starts your indefinite Millennium?

 

[Timtofly]

Your In Denial Of (The End) At The Second Coming Of Jesus Christ

Jesus Christ Returns In Fire And Final Judgement, Dissolving This Existing Earth By Fire, Immediately After The Tribulation

This Existing Heaven And Earth Will Be (Replaced) By The New Heaven, Earth, Jerusalem, A New Creation, At The Return Of Jesus Christ

(Behold, I Make All Things New)

2 Peter 3:10-13KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

Revelation 21:1-5KJV
1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.

Matthew 24:29-30KJV
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

1 Corinthians 3:13KJV
13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.

Luke 17:29-30KJV
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

2 Thessalonians 1:7-9KJV
7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

Malachi 3:2KJV
2 But who may abide the day of his coming? and who shall stand when he appeareth? for he is like a refiner's fire, and like fullers' soap:

Psalm 46:6KJV
6 The heathen raged, the kingdoms were moved: he uttered his voice, the earth melted.

Psalm 50:3KJV
3 Our God shall come, and shall not keep silence: a fire shall devour before him, and it shall be very tempestuous round about him.

Psalm 97:5KJV
5 The hills melted like wax at the presence of the Lord, at the presence of the Lord of the whole earth.

Isaiah 66:15KJV
15 For, behold, the Lord will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire.

Zechariah 14:12KJV
12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the Lord will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.

Nahum 1:5-6KJV
5 The mountains quake at him, and the hills melt, and the earth is burned at his presence, yea, the world, and all that dwell therein.
6 Who can stand before his indignation? and who can abide in the fierceness of his anger? his fury is poured out like fire, and the rocks are thrown down by him.

Revelation 20:9KJV
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

None of this addresses the 7th Trumpet. The heavens are gone and the works of earth are burned up at the 6th Seal:

"And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind. And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places. And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains; And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb: For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?"

The great day of His wrath burns up all the works of man, just as 2 Peter 3 declares. The stars are gone, heaven is no more, gone. Yet humans are hiding out under rocks and mountains. The mountains are moving around, and the island (continents) are moved out of their locations, back into one continent. No one has the excuse they cannot have easy access to the throne of God. It is front and center. The sides of the north in plain view. No human has an excuse they do not know. The Lamb is on earth. (Matthew 24:29-32) The first Trumpet has yet to sound. Christ has brought the archangel (Gabriel) and the Trump of God. Do you think this event was all silent without any sounds at all? Do you think this Trump was just brought to look at? That it was totally silent?


"Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

Jesus indicates this is not a silent movie scenario. How many times can Christ appear at the Second Coming bringing all the stars/angels and the Trump of God?

 

[Curtis]

Not only was the whole church and church fathers completely premillennial for three hundred years, the church fathers taught the sabbath-millennium doctrine, which is that God took six days for creation and rested on the 7th day, as a prophetical fore-shadow of their being six thousand years (symbolizing 6 days) from Adam to the second coming of Jesus, with His millennial reign being the 7th day, aka God’s rest for His people.
Not a single church father denied the literal millennium, until one person 250 years after the foundling of the church, and he also rejected the entire book of revelation - meanwhile everyone else remained solidly premillennial for at least fifty more years.
The denial of the literal interpretation of the coming millennium, is a late century error.

 

[n2thelight]

The vine has absolutely nothing to do with a blood-line anymore. The blood-line makes no difference to God. He is NO respecter of persons,

Thank you so much for that ,as I keep saying ,you belong to one of them .If you don't believe in Christ I don't care who you call yourself or how far you can trace your bloodline ,you are of satans tree, Period!!!

 

[Truth7t7]

Thank you so much for that ,as I keep saying ,you belong to one of them .If you don't believe in Christ I don't care who you call yourself or how far you can trace your bloodline ,you are of satans tree, Period!!!

I Agree 100%

Blood plays absolutely no part unless it's that Blood shed upon Cavary "Period"

 

[n2thelight]

None of this addresses the 7th Trumpet. The heavens are gone and the works of earth are burned up at the 6th Seal:

"And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind. And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places. And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains; And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb: For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?"

Do you understand who the stars are ?

 

[Timtofly]

Do you understand who the stars are ?

Does Jesus:

"And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other."

 

[n2thelight]

Does Jesus:

"And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other."

That wasn't the question?

 

[Timtofly]

That wasn't the question?

I cannot understand more perfectly than Jesus can.

What was Jesus and John referring to? If they do not understand, then neither can any reader, reading God's Word.

You identified the stars as, "who".

 

[michaelvpardo]

We all Know in Part.... I love reading other people's views on eschatology because i learn from them, whether negatively as in a face palm or positively in that there is something I had not considered before. I Have come to My conclusions from my studies (Pre wrath/ premillennialist), But I am very familiar with all the other views and why they have their proponents. The Most important thing is that we are all watching and waiting for His Return.... And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh. (Luke 21:28)

I'm inclined to believe that most of the division in the church comes from individuals interpreting phrases like "contend for the faith" as biblical instruction to contend with other people rather than to contend with their own fallen nature and the hosts of spiritual wickedness in the heavenly places.
Men are contentious and competitive by nature and that nature is fallen. Scripture doesn't teach us that our fallen nature disappears in receiving Christ, but that it persists as the "flesh" waging war against the Spirit.
I believe that sound theology teaches us that we have 3 spiritual enemies, the world which seeks to conform us to its image, the flesh which seeks its own will, and the devil who "trips us up" and uses any means to separate us from God, including false gods, false theologies, false philosophies, but most significantly subtle distortions of the truth that question the character of God and the reliability of His word.
This is a biblical concept derived from the plain statements of scripture, but the world's principle attack on Christianity has always been an attack on the veracity and reliability of scripture and this because the testimony of scripture itself is that it is the only legitimate source of faith (genuine saving faith.)
So then faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. Romans 10:17
The surest way to destroy faith is to destroy confidence in the truth of scripture and that's pretty much the cause and purpose of "the age of enlightenment", the goal of science as an institution, as well as the goal of progressive politics and all worldly philosophies and institutions opposed to Christ.