Here Is Where the "Pentecostal" False Witness of God's Spirit Can Be Seen.

[Jared42]

In Scripture, whenever the Holy Spirit is shown to have been accomplishing something, and His Power has made an incredible occurrence, it is easily seen by all those present. The perception of the Holy Spirit is not confined to one person.

Today, the vast majority of "Pentecostal" accounts given about the "voice" or appearance of the Holy Spirit are spoken by an individual, and is a narrative about what he/she alone has "sensed," has "felt in their spirit," has heard the Holy Spirit "speak," or has somehow "seen" like waves of light or a shimmering phenomenon.

By definition, bith a "sign" and an "act" from God is something seen by lots of people, is easily understood with observation or by simple prophetic disclosure, is relevant to current events, produces a strong benefit for the people present, and does not need a committee of opinions to discern.

The supernatural events supposedly shown by "Pentecostals" is largely uncertain, unverifiable, has no real purpose, no real effect, and merely results in emotional activity.

I hope this clears up any questions. Let me know of your experiences with this.

 

[amadeus]

@Jared42

"The other disciples therefore said unto him, We have seen the Lord. But he said unto them, Except I shall see in his hands the print of the nails, and put my finger into the print of the nails, and thrust my hand into his side, I will not believe." John 20:25

 

[Paul Christensen]

In Scripture, whenever the Holy Spirit is shown to have been accomplishing something, and His Power has made an incredible occurrence, it is easily seen by all those present. The perception of the Holy Spirit is not confined to one person.

Today, the vast majority of "Pentecostal" accounts given about the "voice" or appearance of the Holy Spirit are spoken by an individual, and is a narrative about what he/she alone has "sensed," has "felt in their spirit," has heard the Holy Spirit "speak," or has somehow "seen" like waves of light or a shimmering phenomenon.

By definition, bith a "sign" and an "act" from God is something seen by lots of people, is easily understood with observation or by simple prophetic disclosure, is relevant to current events, produces a strong benefit for the people present, and does not need a committee of opinions to discern.

The supernatural events supposedly shown by "Pentecostals" is largely uncertain, unverifiable, has no real purpose, no real effect, and merely results in emotional activity.

I hope this clears up any questions. Let me know of your experiences with this.

We need to be careful of generalising such a diverse movement to make them all appear that they believe the same thing. This is because there are many branches of the Pentecostal movement, ranging from those who have their faith soundly based in God's Word and are strict in validating any experience or manifestation from the written Scriptures, to those who ignore the Scriptures and base their theology on "new" revelation and sensory experiences and manifestations.

It is the same as labelling "Evangelicals" as those who deny the resurrection and adopt a liberal humanistic man-centred theology, worshiping in "Christian clubs". We all know that this does not describe all Evangelicals, but just a limited section of them.

 

[Jared42]

@Jared42

"The other disciples therefore said unto him, We have seen the Lord. But he said unto them, Except I shall see in his hands the print of the nails, and put my finger into the print of the nails, and thrust my hand into his side, I will not believe." John 20:25

 

[Jared42]

We need to be careful of generalising such a diverse movement to make them all appear that they believe the same thing. This is because there are many branches of the Pentecostal movement, ranging from those who have their faith soundly based in God's Word and are strict in validating any experience or manifestation from the written Scriptures, to those who ignore the Scriptures and base their theology on "new" revelation and sensory experiences and manifestations.

It is the same as labelling "Evangelicals" as those who deny the resurrection and adopt a liberal humanistic man-centred theology, worshiping in "Christian clubs". We all know that this does not describe all Evangelicals, but just a limited section of them.

How often do you observe "Pentecostals" to be stating and promoting things they cannot actually demonstrate?

 

[Jared42]

@Jared42

"The other disciples therefore said unto him, We have seen the Lord. But he said unto them, Except I shall see in his hands the print of the nails, and put my finger into the print of the nails, and thrust my hand into his side, I will not believe." John 20:25

Not sure why you cited this Scripture. Did you perhaps expect us to ... read your mind? Lol.

 

[Jared42]

We need to be careful of generalising such a diverse movement to make them all appear that they believe the same thing. This is because there are many branches of the Pentecostal movement, ranging from those who have their faith soundly based in God's Word and are strict in validating any experience or manifestation from the written Scriptures, to those who ignore the Scriptures and base their theology on "new" revelation and sensory experiences and manifestations.

It is the same as labelling "Evangelicals" as those who deny the resurrection and adopt a liberal humanistic man-centred theology, worshiping in "Christian clubs". We all know that this does not describe all Evangelicals, but just a limited section of them.

You have not been trained or assigned to speak for "we."

Do you comprehend what I just said right here?

 

[Triumph1300]

Oh, no, not again.....another Pentecostal bashing thread.
We seen them come, we seen them go. Nothing new.
Starting to be a bit boring.
Trying to convert millions of tongue speaking born again Christians.
Makes no sense.

Arrived 5 days ago, already 216 messages.........

 

[amadeus]

Not sure why you cited this Scripture. Did you perhaps expect us to ... read your mind? Lol.

Some have called him, Thomas the Doubter! Has anyone ever applied such name to you?

 

[Jared42]

Oh, no, not again.....another Pentecostal bashing thread.
We seen them come, we seen them go. Nothing new.
Starting to be a bit boring.
Trying to convert millions of tongue speaking born again Christians.
Makes no sense.

Do you speak a heavenly language? Yes?

 

[Triumph1300]

Do you speak a heavenly language? Yes?

I already know why you ask.
Don't bother.

 

[Jared42]

Some have called him, Thomas the Doubter! Has anyone ever applied such name to you?

Jesus had no problem with showing Thomas His pierced hands and feet. According to Jesus' response, there was nothing wrong with that Thomas demanding it. However, even Mary who saw the empty tomb did not believe Jesus was resurrected until she saw Jesus alive first hand.

Mary and Thomas were the same. Did your "Pentecostal" capacity teach you that, or did my non "Pentecostal" thinking successfully show you that?

 

[Jared42]

I already know why you ask.
Don't bother.

And, I easily know the depth of your experience with tongues, such that you avoid examination. Remember, Jesus allowed Himself to be examined by doubting people, even by Thomas demanding proof.

Do you follow the example of Jesus? Yes?

 

[amadeus]

Jesus had no problem with showing Thomas His pierced hands and feet. According to Jesus' response, there was nothing wrong with that Thomas demanding it. However, even Mary who saw the empty tomb did not believe Jesus was resurrected until she saw Jesus alive first hand.

Mary and Thomas were the same. Did your "Pentecostal" capacity teach you that, or did my non "Pentecostal" thinking successfully show you that?

"A soft answer turneth away wrath:...Prov. 15:1

"Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed." John 20:29

 

[Jared42]

"A soft answer turneth away wrath:...Prov. 15:1

"Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed." John 20:29

 

[Jared42]

Jesus blessed both Thomas and Mary by proving to them both His resurrection within their lack of faith. Our Savior is very gracious, and does not fist expect perfection from those who come to him.

Did you know this?

 

[amadeus]

Jesus blessed both Thomas and Mary by proving to them both His resurrection within their lack of faith. Our Savior is very gracious, and does not fist expect perfection from those who come to him.

Did you know this?

From faith to knowledge!
From through a glass darkly to face to face!
From imperfection to perfection!

"And Jesus increased in wisdom and stature, and in favour with God and man." Luke 2:52

"As newborn babes, desire the sincere milk of the word, that ye may grow thereby:" I Peter 2:2

"Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is." I John 3:2

 

[Paul Christensen]

How often do you observe "Pentecostals" to be stating and promoting things they cannot actually demonstrate?

My question to you is, how can you demonstrate that you are actually saved apart from the Scripture telling that you are through your obedience to the invitation of the Gospel to receive Christ as Saviour?

 

[Paul Christensen]

You have not been trained or assigned to speak for "we."

Do you comprehend what I just said right here?

You are correct. I've not been trained to speak for anyone. I will remember that. Thanks for sharing it with me.

 

[Jared42]

My question to you is, how can you demonstrate that you are actually saved apart from the Scripture telling that you are through your obedience to the invitation of the Gospel to receive Christ as Saviour?