Sola Scriptura

[BreadOfLife]

Dizzy, we have been through this even to one of your fellow drones in 344 above. You have a non argument.

WRONG.
Post #344 says NOTHING about the "Sole Authority" of Scripture.

You keep running from this because you cannot fins Scriptural support for this false doctrine of your Protestant Fathers . . .

Get this through your thick skull then- read s-l-o-w-l-y

I adhere to the body of the OT as identified by other means which have been around long before Luther. The fact his is largely coincidental is just that and in no way any kind of testament to Luther.

Another RCC revisionist failure

Ummmmm, WHY, then, like Luther do you reject 7 Books of the OT and portions of Daniel and Esther??
Jesus and the NT writers didn't . . .

Those 7 Books - Baruch, Wisdom, Judith, Tobit, Sirach and Maccabees 1 & 2 are quoted and alluded to almost TWO HUNDRED TIMES i=on the pages of the NT. A few examples of this are:
- Heb 11:35 - Paul teaches about the martyrdom of the mother and her sons described in 2 Macc. 7:1-42.
- Eph. 6:13-17 - the whole discussion of armor, helmet, breastplate, sword, shield follows Wis. 5:17-20.
- 1 Peter 1:6-7 - Peter teaches about testing faith by purgatorial fire as described in Wisdom 3:5-6 and Sirach 2:5.

A rose by any other name and the rosary, chips, holy water- your entire religion is filled with graven images.

Sooooo, were the Israelites guilty of "idol worship" when they PROSTRATED themselves before the Ark?

How about Solomon's Temple sanctuary filled with "graven images" that PLEASED God (1 Kings 6:27)?
What that "idolatry"??

Your ignorance is astounding . . .
You mean TWISTED by the RCC[/QUOTE]
Then REFUTE what I posted - IF you can.

I've gotta tell ya - I am having the time of my LIFE watching you guys scramble for answers that NEVER seem to come . . .

 

[David in NJ]

Defend Sola Scriptura? LOL
Scripture itself Gives Scripture expressly Inspired of God and Authority of God.

I trust to Believe Scripture, you argue Against Gods Inspired Word to be Stand alone sufficient....what is YOUR DEFENCE to reject Scripture as Sufficient? LOL

i can't take the laughter anymore - thanks ( i am agreeing with you and dough-o-life is just cracking me up with the failed logic)

 

[BreadOfLife]

Thank You - i am laughing again - this was a good one.

And once again - instead of "laughing" - you should be searching for proof of your false doctrine.
We're on post #362 - and you STILL haven't been able to mount a Scriptural defense for this doctrine of demons . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

Defend Sola Scriptura? LOL
Scripture itself Gives Scripture expressly Inspired of God and Authority of God.
I trust to Believe Scripture, you argue Against Gods Inspired Word to be Stand alone sufficient....what is YOUR DEFENCE to reject Scripture as Sufficient? LOL

Answer:
SCRIPURE itself.

2 Thess. 2:15
"Stand firm and hold fast to the Traditions you were taught, whether by an ORAL STATEMENT or by a LETTER from us."

Luke 10:16
Whoever listens to YOU listens to ME. Whoever rejects YOU rejects ME. And whoever rejects ME rejects the ONE who sent ME."

John 16:12-15
“I have much more to tell you, but you cannot bear it now.
But when he comes, the Spirit of truth, he will guide you to ALL truth. He will not speak on his own, but he will speak what he hears, and will declare to YOU the things that are coming.
He will glorify me, because he will TAKE from what is MINE and declare it to YOU.
Everything that the Father has is MINE; for this reason I told you that he will TAKE from what is MINE and declare it to YOU

 

[Taken]

And in the depths of your ignorance, you fail to see that Sola Scriptura IS an idol created by MEN in the 16th century.

LOL, LOL, LOL ...
what an utterly ridiculous claim.

 

[David in NJ]

And once again - instead of "laughing" - you should be searching for proof of your false doctrine.
We're on post #362 - and you STILL haven't been able to mount a Scriptural defense for this doctrine of demons . . .

i am laughing because we who are His have been given the Holy Spirit to guide us into All Truth - The Spirit of Truth whom the world(religion and others) cannot receive.

i counsel you to throw off religion and treat it like it is a woman's menstrual rag - that is how the Father sees it.
Whoever works on the Sabbath will be put to death - forever.
There is God's Sabbath Rest you have yet to enter into......

I am praying for you, that you might be saved and join with those who are Redeemed by the Blood of the Lamb - Amen

 

[BreadOfLife]

Load of man-made gobbledygook and denial. Yes men do seek the place where a statue stands and bow down to the statue and even Kiss them!

The BOX was actually an Ark constructed according to Gods inspired word, to Expressly Hold the Written Holy Word of God...that WHERE the Ark was, So also was God.
A far cry of bowing down before the Lords Holy Seat .... and statues warned not to erect.

Statues (standing images) are not holy, and were expressly forbidden.

Lev 26:
[1] Ye shall make you no idols nor graven image, neither rear you up a standing image, neither shall ye set up any image of stone in your land, to bow down unto it: for I am the LORD your God.

Not one Following Scripture, in the NT or by Letter of the Apostles, taught a tradition to erect standing images and bow down to them.

Busted!

More gobblegook....and Delusion.

[QUTE] STUDY your Bible and stop your whining . . .

Not whining, admonishing, warning your claims GO AGAINST Scripture. My Warning IS forwarded from Scriptural teaching as WARNINGS...to those WHO CAN Hear...and Desire Gods Truth....rather than traditions of men, Delusions and False claims.[/QUOTE]
Soooooo, Solomon's Temple WASN'T built according to God and He WASN'T pleased by the giant STANDING STATUES of Angels in the Holy of Holies?

And God was OFFENDED by the golden cherubim atop the Ark - even though He said "make unto thee NO graven images"??

And God's presence is LIMITED to the Mercy Seat on the Ark - but He's NOT omnipresent??

Seems to me that the ONLY one spewing "gobbledygook" here is YOU . . .

 

[An Apologetic Sheepdog]

WRONG.
Post #344 says NOTHING about the "Sole Authority" of Scripture.

You keep running from this because you cannot fins Scriptural support for this false doctrine of your Protestant Fathers . . .

No, you just cant read and comprehend English. I qualified the doctrine of SS and defined the relationship. That is correct and invalidates you and your entire premise and renders any further comment by you moot. You ought to be used to being not only wrong but unimportant by now.

Thats ok, I will correct you.

Ummmmm, WHY, then, like Luther do you reject 7 Books of the OT and portions of Daniel and Esther??
Jesus and the NT writers didn't . . .

Those 7 Books - Baruch, Wisdom, Judith, Tobit, Sirach and Maccabees 1 & 2 are quoted and alluded to almost TWO HUNDRED TIMES i=on the pages of the NT. A few examples of this are:

They dont meet my standards and i have reviewed them. Scripture 'alludes" to the writing of Enoch too and i dont accept that too.

One thing that is beyond question that RCC doctrine is unscriptural so lets focus on that log in your own eye.

Sooooo, were the Israelites guilty of "idol worship" when they PROSTRATED themselves before the Ark?

How about Solomon's Temple sanctuary filled with "graven images" that PLEASED God (1 Kings 6:27)?
What that "idolatry"??

They were under God's direct rule and instruction at the time. Nothing in the RCC is under God and never has been.

Your ignorance is astounding . . .
You mean TWISTED by the RCC

Then REFUTE what I posted - IF you can.

I've gotta tell ya - I am having the time of my LIFE watching you guys scramble for answers that NEVER seem to come . . .[/QUOTE]

I'm sorry you have no life but your points have been addressed and all your ranting doesnt change it.

 

[Taken]

i can't take the laughter anymore - thanks ( i am agreeing with you and dough-o-life is just cracking me up with the failed logic)

It is really quite simple...
Be it the Federalist Papers...(political)
Be it Scripture...(spiritual)

There is a FIXED standard and principle ...
TO Follow, Obey, Adhere to, Favorable consequences for all men.

There is the Knowledge of what IS NOT Acceptable, Dastardly and Warned Against.

Not rocket sicience to observe men WHO, seek the Fixed standard and principle to Follow...and men WHO seek and do what IS NOT Acceptalbe, Dastardly and Warned Against.


Uh, uh, uh....ya sure been taught from infancy.....and still 50+ old people require "reminder" statues, trinkets, rituals,
to Praise and Worship God....?
Remember Gods Anger at men, calling them "stiffnecked", Because "Hearing Gods Word", was not sufficient for men?
Pfft...I'm sure God is disgusted with all the endless man-made nonsense.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[BreadOfLife]

i am laughing because we who are His have been given the Holy Spirit to guide us into All Truth - The Spirit of Truth whom the world(religion and others) cannot receive.

i counsel you to throw off religion and treat it like it is a woman's menstrual rag - that is how the Father sees it.
Whoever works on the Sabbath will be put to death - forever.
There is God's Sabbath Rest you have yet to enter into......

I am praying for you, that you might be saved and join with those who are Redeemed by the Blood of the Lamb - Amen

Tell me something -
There are literally tens of thousands of disjointed and perpetually-splintering Protestant factions that ALL teach different doctrines - yet ALL claim that they were "led" to this confusion by the Holy Spirit.

WHICH one of you is right - because you have so MANY competing doctrines??
Some Protestant denominations believe in baptismal regeneration, while others do not.
Some believe in soul-sleep, while others do not.
Some believe in the total depravity of man, while others do not.
Some believe in the Holy Trinity, while others do not.
Some believe in doctrine of “once saved, always saved”, while others do not.
Some believe in a pre-tribulation “Rapture”, while others do not.
Some believe that only those who were predestined will make it to heaven, while others do not.
Some believe that some were predestined for hell, while others do not.
Some believe in a woman’s right to choose abortion, while others do not.
Some believe that practicing homosexuality is a sin, while others do not.
Most believe in contraception, while others do not – and the list goes on.

Soooo - WHICH one was "led" by the Holy Spirit?
If you say "ALL" - then the Holy Spirit is nothing more than a hypocrite in your eyes.

 

[Illuminator]

Load of man-made gobbledygook and denial. Yes men do seek the place where a statue stands and bow down to the statue and even Kiss them!

The BOX was actually an Ark constructed according to Gods inspired word, to Expressly Hold the Written Holy Word of God...that WHERE the Ark was, So also was God.
A far cry of bowing down before the Lords Holy Seat .... and statues warned not to erect.

Statues (standing images) are not holy, and were expressly forbidden.

Lev 26:
[1] Ye shall make you no idols nor graven image, neither rear you up a standing image, neither shall ye set up any image of stone in your land, to bow down unto it: for I am the LORD your God.

Not one Following Scripture, in the NT or by Letter of the Apostles, taught a tradition to erect standing images and bow down to them.

Busted!

More gobblegook....and Delusion.

Not whining, admonishing, warning your claims GO AGAINST Scripture. My Warning IS forwarded from Scriptural teaching as WARNINGS...to those WHO CAN Hear...and Desire Gods Truth....rather than traditions of men, Delusions and False claims.

The Protestant iconoclastic fervor was as virulent and extreme as the destructive energy displayed by the modern-day Islamic extremists. In the Zwinglian part of Switzerland, and particularly in Zurich, churches were purged of all religious images in 1524. Wooden art was publicly burned, and stone sculptures damaged and destroyed with heavy tools. Similar purges happened in some South German cities in the following years. A wave of iconoclast riots swept through the Low Lands in 1566 as an expression of Calvinist assertion against Spanish-Catholic rule.

Damaged relief in Utrecht Cathedral, desecrated in 1566 during the iconoclast fury in the Netherlands. (Wikipedia)

Citizens were incited by preachers to remove idolatric religious art and to ritualistically destroy it in an act of public performance that amounts to a publicity stunt–an aspect which is reflected in many images from the period. Pre-Reformation church art had been commissioned and sponsored by prominent noble and patrician families whose members continued to identify with it. Reformers staged these acts of destruction to shock the entrenched establishment: the point was to destroy what was emotionally dear to its members. Just like with the destruction of antique treasures, there was a theatrical aspect to Reformation-era iconoclasm. So the barbaric destruction of antiquities at the hands of ISIS is not an Islamic specialty–rather an outgrowth of misguided religious fundamentalism. The examples from Christian history vividly illustrate the point.

Islamic Extremist Iconoclasm–and Its Christian Precedents | Cultures Contexts (utexas.edu)

 

[An Apologetic Sheepdog]

WHICH one of you is right - because you have so MANY competing doctrines??

Care to guess which one is totally wrong coming out of the gate? The RCC implodes when compared to Scripture.

 

[Taken]

Not whining, admonishing, warning your claims GO AGAINST Scripture. My Warning IS forwarded from Scriptural teaching as WARNINGS...to those WHO CAN Hear...and Desire Gods Truth....rather than traditions of men, Delusions and False claims.

Soooooo, Solomon's Temple WASN'T built according to God and He WASN'T pleased by the giant STANDING STATUES of Angels in the Holy of Holies?

And God was OFFENDED by the golden cherubim atop the Ark - even though He said "make unto thee NO graven images"??

And God's presence is LIMITED to the Mercy Seat on the Ark - but He's NOT omnipresent??

Seems to me that the ONLY one spewing "gobbledygook" here is YOU . . .[/QUOTE]


Why would God be offended at decorative art-work?
You seem to escape the understanding, bowing down to an man-made unholy Object IS WORSHIPING that OBJECT.

You are fooling no one. Cathoics seek and expressly go before Statues to bow down to the Statue, and the Inspired Word of IN the Written Scripture Expressly say to NOT do that......but then you also have your own "human holy father", who leads by example of bowing and kissing statues.
Not Scriptural, and rather creepy.

 

[An Apologetic Sheepdog]

The Protestant iconoclastic fervor was as virulent and extreme as the destructive energy displayed by the modern-day Islamic extremists.

What about the dark ages, crusades, inquisitions?

 

[An Apologetic Sheepdog]

So the barbaric destruction of antiquities at the hands of ISIS is not an Islamic specialty–rather an outgrowth of misguided religious fundamentalism.

Like the RCC during the dark ages when they persecuted people?

 

[Taken]

The Protestant iconoclastic fervor was as virulent and extreme as the destructive energy displayed by the modern-day Islamic extremists. In the Zwinglian part of Switzerland, and particularly in Zurich, churches were purged of all religious images in 1524. Wooden art was publicly burned, and stone sculptures damaged and destroyed with heavy tools. Similar purges happened in some South German cities in the following years. A wave of iconoclast riots swept through the Low Lands in 1566 as an expression of Calvinist assertion against Spanish-Catholic rule.

Citizens were incited by preachers to remove idolatric religious art and to ritualistically destroy it in an act of public performance that amounts to a publicity stunt–an aspect which is reflected in many images from the period. Pre-Reformation church art had been commissioned and sponsored by prominent noble and patrician families whose members continued to identify with it. Reformers staged these acts of destruction to shock the entrenched establishment: the point was to destroy what was emotionally dear to its members. Just like with the destruction of antique treasures, there was a theatrical aspect to Reformation-era iconoclasm. So the barbaric destruction of antiquities at the hands of ISIS is not an Islamic specialty–rather an outgrowth of misguided religious fundamentalism. The examples from Christian history vividly illustrate the point.

Islamic Extremist Iconoclasm–and Its Christian Precedents | Cultures Contexts (utexas.edu)

Do you have a point?

 

[BreadOfLife]

No, you just cant read and comprehend English. I qualified the doctrine of SS and defined the relationship. That is correct and invalidates you and your entire premise and renders any further comment by you moot. You ought to be used to being not only wrong but unimportant by now.
Thats ok, I will correct you.

WRONG again.

In order to prove Sola Scripture (Scripture ALONE) - you must prove it from Scripture ALONE and not simply by pulling thoughts out of your own empty head.
Sola SCRIPTURA means what it means - not "Sheepdog's nonsense" . . .

However - if you CAN'T find Scriptural proof - I will take this as your concession.

They dont meet my standards and i have reviewed them. Scripture 'alludes" to the writing of Enoch too and i dont accept that too.

One thing that is beyond question that RCC doctrine is unscriptural so lets focus on that log in your own eye.

Soooo Paul's and Peter's Epistles DON'T meet YOUR standards?
That's possibly the most idiotic cop-out of an argument I've heard yet

They were under God's direct rule and instruction at the time. Nothing in the RCC is under God and never has been.

Sooooo - God is a hypocrite, then? Is THAT what you're saying??

I take back my earlier comment above.
THIS is the most idiotic cop-out of an argument I've heard yet . . .

 

[Taken]

Tell me something -
There are literally tens of thousands of disjointed and perpetually-splintering Protestant factions that ALL teach different doctrines - yet ALL claim that they were "led" to this confusion by the Holy Spirit.

Deflection to another one of your pat go to deflections...is Old Hat, and irrelevant.

Try to stay on topic and DEFEND that Scirpture Inspired by God is insufficient.

What is your "alternatative" ... to Gods Inspired Word?

 

[An Apologetic Sheepdog]

In order to prove Sola Scripture (Scripture ALONE) - you must prove it from Scripture ALONE and not simply by pulling thoughts out of your own empty head.
Sola SCRIPTURA means what it means - not "Sheepdog's nonsense" . . .

However - if you CAN'T find Scriptural proof - I will take this as your concession.

Can you get it through your thick skull that I do NOT accept the "manmade doctrine" of SS with ANY DEGREE OF VALIDITY AT ALL other than the fact it happens to coincide in principle with what Scripture says? I made that clear several times.

Soooo Paul's and Peter's Epistles DON'T meet YOUR standards?
That's possibly the most idiotic cop-out of an argument I've heard yet

That's not what i said. But like a good RCC drone you are programmed to twist things to suit your agenda.

Sooooo - God is a hypocrite, then? Is THAT what you're saying??

No, only you

I take back my earlier comment above.
THIS is the most idiotic cop-out of an argument I've heard yet . . .

Then you ought to read your own words

 

[BreadOfLife]

Why would God be offended at decorative art-work?
You seem to escape the understanding, bowing down to an man-made unholy Object IS WORSHIPING that OBJECT.

You are fooling no one. Cathoics seek and expressly go before Statues to bow down to the Statue, and the Inspired Word of IN the Written Scripture Expressly say to NOT do that......but then you also have your own "human holy father", who leads by example of bowing and kissing statues.
Not Scriptural, and rather creepy.

WRONG again.

Asa I educated you before - the Israelites bowed and PROSTRATED themselves before a golden box with golden angels on top.
Does THAT escape you that it may have been "idol worship"??

And your second claim in RED is a stupid as the first.
Catholics don't "seek out" Statues to "worship". We worship God alone - just as the Israelites worshiped God alone when they were prostrating themselves in from of that golden box, Einstein . . .