"Please Report Heresy"

[Marymog]

Hello Mary! It's been a while since we talked.

According to what you believe you might be correct. You have faith that the Catholic Church is THE Church and that the dogmas of the CC are correct. So then as Jesus put it, 'according to you faith be it unto you' [from Matt 9:29]. Then according that anyone who opposes or disagrees with the position of the CC would be considered a heretic. Any one teaches something different than what the CC teaches would be a heretic. Have I correctly stated your case?

My problem is in having some different beliefs on more than one of those points. So to you or to the CC I would be a heretic. On the other hand, what looked like heresy to me would probably very different. LOL, the opinion of a heretic, or...?

Fortunately for both of us, we are not the umpires in this.

Yes, we are fortunate that we are not umpires in this.

Yes, in general, you have correctly stated my case. One caveat is that you do not have to believe EVERYTHING The Church teaches. It is a fairly short list of things that The Church considers heretical if you don’t believe it. The problem lies in WHO decides what teaching is heretical. As I stated before, and as you well know, I believe The Church decides. Not each individual person decides what is heretical based on their interpretation of Scripture. Many Christians (including some Catholics but mostly Protestant) believe they can decide what is heretical. This false belief is in opposition to Scripture and what Jesus prayed for in John 17:21.

Mary

 

[Marymog]

Who decides what heresay is ...
If it contradicts the bible its heresay . That ought to be simple enough .

Hi amigo
Lol...right! I wish it was “simple enough”. So who decides what contradicts the Bible?

Some believe baptism saves. Others don’t. Both camps say the others belief contradicts the Bible.

Some believe abortion is murder. Others don’t. Both camps us Scripture to back up their position.

Some believe the bread and wine IS his body/blood like He said it was. Others believe it is a symbol. Both use Scripture to support their belief. Etc etc etc.....

So your “If it contradicts the Bible it’s heresy” statement is subjective. It’s not “simple enough” that is why men have been disagreeing about this for 2,000 years.

Mary

 

[amadeus]

heretics do not know they are heretics as they have believed lies and are deceived.

Are there then none who have not been deceived but in spite of knowing truth simply walked away from it along their own pathways purposely in order to "enjoy" their allotted time here?

 

[Bob Estey]

And Son of God means He has the nature of God, A Divine one
And son of man means He has a the nature of man, a human one.

So He is both God and man having both a Divine and human nature.

Its why the Pharisees tried to stone Him to death for saying He is the Son of God which was considered blasphemy for the Jews since they rejected Him,

hope this helps !!!

How do you know he had the nature of God, unless he WAS God?

 

[ChristisGod]

How do you know he had the nature of God, unless he WAS God?

He always was God from All Eternity. John 1:1 and John 17:5.

 

[amigo de christo]

Hi amigo
Lol...right! I wish it was “simple enough”. So who decides what contradicts the Bible?

Some believe baptism saves. Others don’t. Both camps say the others belief contradicts the Bible.

Some believe abortion is murder. Others don’t. Both camps us Scripture to back up their position.

Some believe the bread and wine IS his body/blood like He said it was. Others believe it is a symbol. Both use Scripture to support their belief. Etc etc etc.....

So your “If it contradicts the Bible it’s heresy” statement is subjective. It’s not “simple enough” that is why men have been disagreeing about this for 2,000 years.

Mary

Allow this to put your mind at ease . If the early church did it , DO IT . For the apostels actually knew JESUS
what they taught was by the Spirit . And i have seen where even peter , said unto some men
Even after they had received the Spirit and spoke with tongues , LETS GET THESE MEN WATER BATPIZED .
THUS , if they did it , WE DO IT . I am a stickler to the truth . There simply is no other love or way but in JESUS CHRIST .
Every word He said is finer than the finest gold of the world , Every teaching HE ever said tastes better than the finest honey .
STICK TO THE BIBLE . For any other jesus dont get captilized for a reason . Cause it aint JESUS , its the dark one
coming in to deceive . Sure it can use the name of JESUS , but it causes only disobediance to the biblical Christ . THUS , ITS OF SATAN .
FOr sure and for certain , its of satan if it contradicts the biblical Christ and those apostels .

 

[amadeus]

... One caveat is that you do not have to believe EVERYTHING The Church teaches.

I knew this much, but I do not claim to be an expert on the CC. I also understand that on some things the CC has changed since the time I was a practicing member [1961 and before].

It is a fairly short list of things that The Church considers heretical if you don’t believe it. The problem lies in WHO decides what teaching is heretical. As I stated before, and as you well know, I believe The Church decides. Not each individual person decides what is heretical based on their interpretation of Scripture. Many Christians (including some Catholics but mostly Protestant) believe they can decide what is heretical. This false belief is in opposition to Scripture and what Jesus prayed for in John 17:21.

Mary

My own beliefs mostly originate directly from my own Bible reading and study combined with what I have heard from people [e.g. priests, ministers, brothers and sisters in the Lord] and from my own interaction with God via the Holy Spirit.

I do believe that the scriptures were written by men inspired by God. But... I also believe that to correctly understand what is written, requires a similar inspiration from God. I believe that a person who is a believer must continue to grow while he is able. To remain still before attaining the perfection toward which Jesus directs us [Matt 5:48] and before overcoming the world as Jesus did, is to move toward stagnation and a final death.

I do not use the word "heretic" to describe anyone nor do I refer to any group as a cult. God may never change me on that point, but I try not to limit God to what I happen to believe at this moment. If I am locked in too tightly to certain doctrines or beliefs, how can I ever grow?

If I am right, God won't change it. If I am wrong, I must be open to any change He sees as a necessary thing for me.

 

[Marvelloustime]

Allow this to put your mind at ease . If the early church did it , DO IT . For the apostels actually knew JESUS
what they taught was by the Spirit . And i have seen where even peter , said unto some men
Even after they had received the Spirit and spoke with tongues , LETS GET THESE MEN WATER BATPIZED .
THUS , if they did it , WE DO IT . I am a stickler to the truth . There simply is no other love or way but in JESUS CHRIST .
Every word He said is finer than the finest gold of the world , Every teaching HE ever said tastes better than the finest honey .
STICK TO THE BIBLE . For any other jesus dont get captilized for a reason . Cause it aint JESUS , its the dark one
coming in to deceive . Sure it can use the name of JESUS , but it causes only disobediance to the biblical Christ . THUS , ITS OF SATAN .
FOr sure and for certain , its of satan if it contradicts the biblical Christ and those apostels .

That’s right. It must be the biblical Lord Jesus and only the biblical Lord Jesus.

 

[Marvelloustime]

Talk about taking the scripture out of text . For all men have not faith . BY YOUR intepretation of all , That would mean NO MEN HAVE FAITH .
WHEN paul was saying its appeared to all men . ITS KNOWN and WELL KNOWN THAT one has TO BELIEVE IN JESUS .
Those who believe , JESUS SAID shall be saved
but they who believe not shall be damned . Look , i know most folks are gonna end up going your way ,
but i will stick to THE WAY , WHICH WOULD ENTIAL FAITH IN JESUS ALONE SAVES . Confess him by mouth
and believe from the heart that GOD has rose Him from the dead .
For with the heart man believes unto righteousness and with the MOUTH , CONFESS HIM , UNTO SALVATION .
THERE IS no all inclusive plan . ITS EITHER the original gospel or its a farce sell out of a lie .
Dont go down this road my friend . Come ye out from amongst it . If many christains
actually believed the true gospel , THEY WOULD have turned the world upside as did the early church .
INSTEAD many go against the original one and only life saving gospel and lead the world right to hells fire .

“that if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭10:9-10‬ ‭

 

[APAK]

“that if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭10:9-10‬ ‭

Yes indeed. ..and shalt believe that God (his Father, YHWH, the only one OT and NT God) raised him from the dead....

 

[quietthinker]

The Bible says that the grace of God that leads to salvation has appeared to all men. Nevertheless, people are born into paganism every minute and never in their lives hear the name "Jesus." Are they doomed? I don't think so. The grace of God made manifest at Calvary must surely forgive ignorance that is not willful.

The Gospel is not contingent on anyone hearing it. Hearing it awakens the understanding of God’s revelation of himself.

Even if nobody heard it or believed it the news would not change. God is vindicated for all eternity.

We (the world)are the privileged recipients of this Grace.

 

[BarneyFife]

The Gospel is not contingent on anyone hearing it. Hearing it awakens the understanding of God’s revelation of himself.

Even if nobody heard it or believed it the news would not change. God is vindicated for all eternity.

We (the world)are the privileged recipients of this Grace.

You gotta love that. :)

 

[BarneyFife]

He never says, "I am God." I do believe he was God in flesh, but I think a case can be made that he was the Son of God, as Mark 1:1 states. I think his purpose, among other things, was to set an example for us. He doesn't want us running around proclaiming, "I am God."

You rock that ultra-literalism across the board, eh? :)

 

[kcnalp]

I would say don't even start questioning the "why" of this forum or it's moderators. So far from my experience, it truly is an open public forum, that in my estimation God is using.

Given the fact that censorship is starting to run rampant in free contries and societies, it's a clear sign that the freedom we have to preach the Gospel to all the world, is on the fringe of being shut down. As a result, only God the Father Himself will determine whether or not His Age of Grace shall cease. And if He does, then shall the END come.
Mat. 24[14] And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

2 Peter 3[9] The Lord is not slack concerning his promise [the Gift of His Holy Spirit], as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

Luke 18[8] I tell you that he will avenge them speedily. Nevertheless when the Son of man cometh, shall he find faith on the earth?

I haven't been on many Christian forums. And I think this one is good except when a mod accused me of unChristian behavior without any proof, which is of itself unChristian. But I agree with you!

 

[Stumpmaster]

I haven't been on many Christian forums. And I think this one is good except when a mod accused me of unChristian behavior without any proof, which is of itself unChristian. But I agree with you!

At least this forum isn't dying.

Some forums I have been on have died for various reasons, but if the administration is either too rigid or too lax consumers can become bored or offended and leave.

Trolls* and Mascos* need to be monitored, sure. but it seems to me that the threads that get the most responses are those intentionally courting controversy.

* Troll - non-Christian who derives pleasure from offending others online with inflammatory material and makes this their sole objective.
* Masco - non-Christian who masquerades as a Christian online to exploit opportunities for posting subversive material, falsely accusing the brethren, and discomforting the unwary.

 

[Raccoon1010]

At least this forum isn't dying.

Some forums I have been on have died for various reasons, but if the administration is either too rigid or too lax consumers can become bored or offended and leave.

Trolls* and Mascos* need to be monitored, sure. but it seems to me that the threads that get the most responses are those intentionally courting controversy.

* Troll - non-Christian who derives pleasure from offending others online with inflammatory material and makes this their sole objective.
* Masco - non-Christian who masquerades as a Christian online to exploit opportunities for posting subversive material, falsely accusing the brethren, and discomforting the unwary.

I think there are Mascos on these forums for sure. I'm starting to notice that. I'm new to the term Masco. Thanks for sharing :)

 

[amadeus]

The Gospel is not contingent on anyone hearing it. Hearing it awakens the understanding of God’s revelation of himself.

Even if nobody heard it or believed it the news would not change. God is vindicated for all eternity.

We (the world)are the privileged recipients of this Grace.

But then of course in order to hear it, a person would need to have ears that are able to hear!

"Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand.
And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive:
For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them." Matt 13:13-15

 

[Stumpmaster]

"Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand.

The Parable of the Sower comes to mind.

The fertile soil produces fruit that endures whereas the compacted wayside, the stubborn stony ground, and the weedy overgrown wasteland fails to yield lasting faith.

Fortunately the witness of faithful Christians and the preaching of God's Word does enrich many lives so that they do become fertile soil for the seeds of the Gospel to sprout and mature in.

 

[amadeus]

The Parable of the Sower comes to mind.

The fertile soil produces fruit that endures whereas the compacted wayside, the stubborn stony ground, and the weedy overgrown wasteland fails to yield lasting faith.

Fortunately the witness of faithful Christians and the preaching of God's Word does enrich many lives so that they do become fertile soil for the seeds of the Gospel to sprout and mature in.

Yes, what is required for the seed's planted in a man's little piece of ground to grow... that is to sprout and mature?

"Doth the plowman plow all day to sow? doth he open and break the clods of his ground?
When he hath made plain the face thereof, doth he not cast abroad the fitches, and scatter the cummin, and cast in the principal wheat and the appointed barley and the rie in their place?" Isaiah 28:24-25

"Sow to yourselves in righteousness, reap in mercy; break up your fallow ground: for it is time to seek the LORD, till he come and rain righteousness upon you" Hosea 10:12

 

[quietthinker]

But then of course in order to hear it, a person would need to have ears that are able to hear!

"Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand.
And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive:
For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them." Matt 13:13-15

I see this as a forgone conclusion in a persons mind. They love their preconceptions right or wrong so anything that appears to challenge them is without further ado rejected.