"Please Report Heresy"

[Enoch111]

Trinitarians believe there are three beings who have joined forces as God, don't they?

Where did you get this bizarre notion? Study the doctrine in depth.

 

[Bob Estey]

Where did you get this bizarre notion? Study the doctrine in depth.

My personal belief is that there is one God who is the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, like a man can be a father, husband, son, and lawyer, but I have had people chastise me over and over for not believing there are three beings who together are God.

 

[quietthinker]

Has anyone ever wondered why JESUS would not expound His parables unto many . Its because IF one is NOT IN THE KINGDOM
NOT TRULY HAVING FAITH IN JESUS , then they are without .
DID JESUS go around re explaining every thing , or DID HE JUST SPEAK . POUND THE PLACE WITH SCRIPTURE .
Scripture often convicts , even those who oppose it . THEY Dont like seeing the plain truth and would rather
see what men have taught them . FLOOD THIS PLACE WITH BIBLE DOCTRINE . AND if you feel led to explain then explain .
Folks act like you need a compass , a calculator , mens hermes and so forth to understand the scrips .
They mean what they say and its says what it means . We could all sit and read the letters from paul , james , jude
peter , john and see it for what it says . Its not like they sat down and wrote letters to the church folks that only a high minded scholar could grasp
THEY WERE LETTERS . SURE and for SURE they were SPIRIT inspired . But they were wrote so simple a child of the king can grasp them .
There might be a few spots , in pauls writings , that can be a bit more difficult . BUT NOT MANY . JUST a few .

Wow, you’s guys must have a handle on things that still have me asking questions!

 

[Enoch111]

My personal belief is that there is one God who is the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, like a man can be a father, husband, son, and lawyer, but I have had people chastise me over and over for not believing there are three beings who together are God.

Well since the Bible clearly reveals THREE divine persons, yet one God, you are not really following what the Bible says. One of the best examples of this being true is at the baptism of Jesus of Nazareth. Study that carefully and note what it reveals.

 

[Earburner]

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I was simply pointing out what that site considered serious issues that need to be reported. Like "Deity" of Jesus. This forum is flooded with those who deny that Jesus is God. They are considered to be heretics in that forum, but not here. It doesn't even seem to be a serious issue here.

Does anyone know if there is a statement of Faith on ChristianityBoard. I couldn't find it.

I would say don't even start questioning the "why" of this forum or it's moderators. So far from my experience, it truly is an open public forum, that in my estimation God is using.

Given the fact that censorship is starting to run rampant in free contries and societies, it's a clear sign that the freedom we have to preach the Gospel to all the world, is on the fringe of being shut down. As a result, only God the Father Himself will determine whether or not His Age of Grace shall cease. And if He does, then shall the END come.
Mat. 24[14] And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

2 Peter 3[9] The Lord is not slack concerning his promise [the Gift of His Holy Spirit], as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

Luke 18[8] I tell you that he will avenge them speedily. Nevertheless when the Son of man cometh, shall he find faith on the earth?

 

[amigo de christo]

Wow, you’s guys must have a handle on things that still have me asking questions!

Let us continue in the holy scriptures . Remember what paul once wrote .
He said and the scriptures which make one wise unto salvation through our faith in Christ .
Let us continue in the reading of the bible .

 

[Marymog]

What is heresy? Where can we find a definitive description of what it is or is not?

If we know what it is, really, then to whom should we report it? To the one we believe to be a heretic, to a moderator on a forum or to an ordained minister in a church or to God? Or perhaps to all of those?

Hi Amadeus,

Heresy is an opinion or doctrine that teaches opposite of Church dogma. Those heretical teachings are taught by false teachers. The Church (not a man) gives us a “definitive description” of what a heresy is and Scripture tells us what to do about false teachers (Titus 3:10, 2 John 1:10, Titus 1). We are to report to The Church when any brother sins against us and The Church is to decide what to do with that brother (Matthew 18). If The Church decides simple matters between me and my brother I think it is safe to say that The Church also decides what to do with heretics inside the Church. So we should report heretics to The Church.

So the real question is: What Church are we going to report a heresy to? None of the moderators on this forum are The Church. Ordained ministers of a denomination are not The Church. If we report it to God that is between him and me in my prayers. Will God then do something?

All this is very interesting....who decides what heresy is!

Mary

 

[amigo de christo]

Hi Amadeus,

Heresy is an opinion or doctrine that teaches opposite of Church dogma. Those heretical teachings are taught by false teachers. The Church (not a man) gives us a “definitive description” of what a heresy is and Scripture tells us what to do about false teachers (Titus 3:10, 2 John 1:10, Titus 1). We are to report to The Church when any brother sins against us and The Church is to decide what to do with that brother (Matthew 18). If The Church decides simple matters between me and my brother I think it is safe to say that The Church also decides what to do with heretics inside the Church. So we should report heretics to The Church.

So the real question is: What Church are we going to report a heresy to? None of the moderators on this forum are The Church. Ordained ministers of a denomination are not The Church. If we report it to God that is between him and me in my prayers. Will God then do something?

All this is very interesting....who decides what heresy is!

Mary

Who decides what heresay is ...
If it contradicts the bible its heresay . That ought to be simple enough .

 

[Bob Estey]

Well since the Bible clearly reveals THREE divine persons, yet one God, you are not really following what the Bible says. One of the best examples of this being true is at the baptism of Jesus of Nazareth. Study that carefully and note what it reveals.

I don't believe in three Gods. I believe in one God.

 

[Raccoon1010]

I don't believe in three Gods. I believe in one God.

I don't believe that's what he said. See the wiki article on the trinity: Trinity - Wikipedia

The Christian doctrine of the Trinity (Latin: Trinitas, lit. 'triad', from Latin: trinus "threefold")[1] holds that God is one God, and exists in the form of three coeternal and consubstantial persons:[2][3] the Father, the Son (Jesus Christ), and the Holy Spirit. The three persons are distinct, yet are one "substance, essence or nature" (homoousios).[4] In this context, a "nature" is what one is, whereas a "person" is who one is.[5]

 

[Bob Estey]

I don't believe that's what he said. See the wiki article on the trinity: Trinity - Wikipedia

The Christian doctrine of the Trinity (Latin: Trinitas, lit. 'triad', from Latin: trinus "threefold")[1] holds that God is one God, and exists in the form of three coeternal and consubstantial persons:[2][3] the Father, the Son (Jesus Christ), and the Holy Spirit. The three persons are distinct, yet are one "substance, essence or nature" (homoousios).[4] In this context, a "nature" is what one is, whereas a "person" is who one is.[5]

I think that's what I described. A man can be a father, son, husband, lawyer, etc. So God can be a Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, as opposed to their being three different entities joined as one.

 

[Raccoon1010]

I think that's what I described. A man can be a father, son, husband, lawyer, etc. So God can be a Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, as opposed to their being three different entities joined as one.

I always think of them as different beings. For instance when Jesus was baptized the Holy Ghost descended down on him while the Father spoke. Also Jesus prayed to the Father. So that shows distinct persons, each a God of that one God nature that they share.

 

[Bob Estey]

I always think of them as different beings. For instance when Jesus was baptized the Holy Ghost descended down on him while the Father spoke. Also Jesus prayed to the Father. So that shows distinct persons, each a God of that one God nature that they share.

I think what Jesus is doing is setting an example for the rest of us. He is showing us how we should live. But I think in truth he is God in flesh.

 

[Truman]

I've heard that heresy is actually hearsay, though I'm not completely sure. :

 

[amadeus]

Hi Amadeus,

Heresy is an opinion or doctrine that teaches opposite of Church dogma. Those heretical teachings are taught by false teachers. The Church (not a man) gives us a “definitive description” of what a heresy is and Scripture tells us what to do about false teachers (Titus 3:10, 2 John 1:10, Titus 1). We are to report to The Church when any brother sins against us and The Church is to decide what to do with that brother (Matthew 18). If The Church decides simple matters between me and my brother I think it is safe to say that The Church also decides what to do with heretics inside the Church. So we should report heretics to The Church.

So the real question is: What Church are we going to report a heresy to? None of the moderators on this forum are The Church. Ordained ministers of a denomination are not The Church. If we report it to God that is between him and me in my prayers. Will God then do something?

All this is very interesting....who decides what heresy is!

Mary

Hello Mary! It's been a while since we talked.

According to what you believe you might be correct. You have faith that the Catholic Church is THE Church and that the dogmas of the CC are correct. So then as Jesus put it, 'according to you faith be it unto you' [from Matt 9:29]. Then according that anyone who opposes or disagrees with the position of the CC would be considered a heretic. Any one teaches something different than what the CC teaches would be a heretic. Have I correctly stated your case?

My problem is in having some different beliefs on more than one of those points. So to you or to the CC I would be a heretic. On the other hand, what looked like heresy to me would probably very different. LOL, the opinion of a heretic, or...?

Fortunately for both of us, we are not the umpires in this.

 

[ChristisGod]

Only heretics need to concern themselves!

heretics do not know they are heretics as they have believed lies and are deceived.

 

[BarneyFife]

Just remember the all inclusive many path gospel is heretical .
Thus to warn against it is a good thing .

The Bible says that the grace of God that leads to salvation has appeared to all men. Nevertheless, people are born into paganism every minute and never in their lives hear the name "Jesus." Are they doomed? I don't think so. The grace of God made manifest at Calvary must surely forgive ignorance that is not willful.

 

[Desire Of All Nations]

He never says, "I am God." I do believe he was God in flesh, but I think a case can be made that he was the Son of God, as Mark 1:1 states. I think his purpose, among other things, was to set an example for us. He doesn't want us running around proclaiming, "I am God."

In Jhn 8 alone, Christ revealed Himself multiple times to the Jews as the OT God. That's the whole reason why they picked up stones with the intention to stone Him to death at the end of the chapter. And even if He didn't do that, the epistles do that for Him. 1 Cor. 10 shows Paul saying Christ was the God that rescued the ancient Israelites from slavery generations of slavery and was the same God the Israelites complained against in the wilderness. Colossians also says that Christ created the whole universe and all the angels at His Father's command. He wouldn't have been able to do either of those things if He wasn't God.

I don't believe that's what he said. See the wiki article on the trinity: Trinity - Wikipedia

The Christian doctrine of the Trinity (Latin: Trinitas, lit. 'triad', from Latin: trinus "threefold")[1] holds that God is one God, and exists in the form of three coeternal and consubstantial persons:[2][3] the Father, the Son (Jesus Christ), and the Holy Spirit. The three persons are distinct, yet are one "substance, essence or nature" (homoousios).[4] In this context, a "nature" is what one is, whereas a "person" is who one is.[5]

Even with this information, if you ask 10-20 trinitarians about how it works, i can almost guarantee you'll get an equal amount of different answers. Now if the trinity doctrine was Christian, there should only be 1 view that everyone can agree on. Jhn 1 doesn't even mention the Holy Spirit as a God Being, and yet trinitarians are all convinced that the Bible says the Holy Spirit is a God Being. That inherently demonstrates the utter lack of logic in trinitarianism. Another thing that demonstrates the utter lack of logic in trinitarianism is that a few other NT statements prove He was not His Father's equal:

"But I want you to know that the head of every man is Christ, the head of woman is man, and the head of Christ is God." - 1 Cor. 11:3

In this passage, Paul clearly establishes the Father as being above Christ, though they are both God Beings. In order to defend their theology, the trinitarian has to explain how a son is equal to their father when the 5th commandment instructs a son to honor and respect his father as being above him in both authority and stature. If trinitarians can understand the Bible saying man> woman or Christ > man, then why is it that they can't understand the Bible when it says the Father > Christ?

"The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave Him to show His servants—things which must shortly take place. And He sent and signified it by His angel to His servant John," - Rev. 1:1

In this passage, John says the same thing: the Father is above Christ in stature and authority. Notice that this passage says the Father is the source of all bible prophecy. Christ can't even deliver a single prophecy to anyone unless His Father gave it to Him first!

“For I have not spoken on My own authority; but the Father who sent Me gave Me a command, what I should say and what I should speak." - Jhn 12:49

“But that the world may know that I love the Father, and as the Father gave Me commandment, so I do. Arise, let us go from here." - Jhn 14:31

In these 2 passages, the same thing is taught: the Father is above Christ in stature and authority. Christ Himself stated that He only spoke what He was commanded to speak, and that He did only what He was commanded to do. There is a clear hierarchy of authority that was established here that says Christ is not, nor has he ever been, His Father's equal. And despite all trinitarian protests to the contrary, no passage legitimately says a son is his father's equal, let alone a passage that says Christ is His Father's equal.

Conclusion: the Bible teaches that a father is above his son in authority and stature. And since Christ is the Son of God, the same is obviously true for that relationship. And since Christ and the Father are not equal in stature or authority, then it inherently means trinitarianism is just another snake oil doctrine.

 

[amigo de christo]

The Bible says that the grace of God that leads to salvation has appeared to all men. Nevertheless, people are born into paganism every minute and never in their lives hear the name "Jesus." Are they doomed? I don't think so. The grace of God made manifest at Calvary must surely forgive ignorance that is not willful.

Talk about taking the scripture out of text . For all men have not faith . BY YOUR intepretation of all , That would mean NO MEN HAVE FAITH .
WHEN paul was saying its appeared to all men . ITS KNOWN and WELL KNOWN THAT one has TO BELIEVE IN JESUS .
Those who believe , JESUS SAID shall be saved
but they who believe not shall be damned . Look , i know most folks are gonna end up going your way ,
but i will stick to THE WAY , WHICH WOULD ENTIAL FAITH IN JESUS ALONE SAVES . Confess him by mouth
and believe from the heart that GOD has rose Him from the dead .
For with the heart man believes unto righteousness and with the MOUTH , CONFESS HIM , UNTO SALVATION .
THERE IS no all inclusive plan . ITS EITHER the original gospel or its a farce sell out of a lie .
Dont go down this road my friend . Come ye out from amongst it . If many christains
actually believed the true gospel , THEY WOULD have turned the world upside as did the early church .
INSTEAD many go against the original one and only life saving gospel and lead the world right to hells fire .

 

[ChristisGod]

I would agree with that, but I believe I was pointing out that a case could be made that Jesus is the Son of God (because that's exactly who Mark called him).

And Son of God means He has the nature of God, A Divine one
And son of man means He has a the nature of man, a human one.

So He is both God and man having both a Divine and human nature.

Its why the Pharisees tried to stone Him to death for saying He is the Son of God which was considered blasphemy for the Jews since they rejected Him,

hope this helps !!!