"Please Report Heresy"

[DPMartin]

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I found this on another Christian site.

the concern is noted but this is a debate section of this site things considered heresy are no doubt going to be posted here plus there is a section of this site for such subjects and postings that are questionable theology. of which the admin seems to do a sufficient job of, what's your problem over?

you what every one to sing to your tune or something?

 

[kcnalp]

the concern is noted but this is a debate section of this site things considered heresy are no doubt going to be posted here plus there is a section of this site for such subjects and postings that are questionable theology. of which the admin seems to do a sufficient job of, what's your problem over?

you what every one to sing to your tune or something?

Why do YOU have a problem with something that some of us find interesting? Why don't you use the "report" option instead of a personal attack for no valid reason?

 

[Ziggy]

Everything that God created had seed within itself.

1Jo 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

God's firstborn seed is his Son. The Son has the Fathers seed within himself.
Mary provided the physical body, the flesh and the blood.
God provided His Spirit to inhabit that physical body.

God's Spirit is still God's Spirit, but the body belongs to the Son.
The flesh had to be overcome by the spirit.
And Jesus submitted himself (flesh) to his Father's will (Spirit)
They two were one.
Once the flesh was overcome the seed within the flesh returned to the father which gave it.

The seed is the word.
Now the parable is this: The seed is the word of God.

When we are born again, we recieve God's seed, and that seed remains in us.. His Spirit, His Word.

We are now the Sons of God, but it doth not yet appear what we shall be, but we know that when we see him, we shall be like him.
1Jo 3:2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

As who is?
As God is.
As Jesus is.
Jesus is fully God.
The flesh was destroyed that housed the seed that God built for himself to dwell in.

thinking...
Hugs

 

[kcnalp]

Everything that God created had seed within itself.

1Jo 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

God's firstborn seed is his Son. The Son has the Fathers seed within himself.
Mary provided the physical body, the flesh and the blood.
God provided His Spirit to inhabit that physical body.

God's Spirit is still God's Spirit, but the body belongs to the Son.
The flesh had to be overcome by the spirit.
And Jesus submitted himself (flesh) to his Father's will (Spirit)
They two were one.
Once the flesh was overcome the seed within the flesh returned to the father which gave it.

The seed is the word.
Now the parable is this: The seed is the word of God.

When we are born again, we recieve God's seed, and that seed remains in us.. His Spirit, His Word.

We are now the Sons of God, but it doth not yet appear what we shall be, but we know that when we see him, we shall be like him.
1Jo 3:2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

As who is?
As God is.
As Jesus is.
Jesus is fully God.
The flesh was destroyed that housed the seed that God built for himself to dwell in.

thinking...
Hugs

Amen!

 

[quietthinker]

Everything that God created had seed within itself.

1Jo 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

God's firstborn seed is his Son. The Son has the Fathers seed within himself.
Mary provided the physical body, the flesh and the blood.
God provided His Spirit to inhabit that physical body.

God's Spirit is still God's Spirit, but the body belongs to the Son.
The flesh had to be overcome by the spirit.
And Jesus submitted himself (flesh) to his Father's will (Spirit)
They two were one.
Once the flesh was overcome the seed within the flesh returned to the father which gave it.

The seed is the word.
Now the parable is this: The seed is the word of God.

When we are born again, we recieve God's seed, and that seed remains in us.. His Spirit, His Word.

We are now the Sons of God, but it doth not yet appear what we shall be, but we know that when we see him, we shall be like him.
1Jo 3:2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

As who is?
As God is.
As Jesus is.
Jesus is fully God.
The flesh was destroyed that housed the seed that God built for himself to dwell in.

thinking...
Hugs

The flesh was resurrected

 

[Ziggy]

The flesh was resurrected

The flesh was purified.
God's glory cleansed it.
God changed the flesh that was cursed with death and made it living.
Because he had Life within himself.
The flesh was purged.
It went through a refining process
God tasted death for every man so we would not have to.
God took all of our sins upon himself.
He provided Himself an offering.

Consider the bush that was not consumed by fire.
God was in the bush but the bush was not consumed.
God was in the son (his body) and his body was not consumed.
He is not here, he is risen.

2Co 5:19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

 

[Grailhunter]

Heresy is not about doctrine really. In the context that you believe different than I do, is the most naïve understanding.
How can you define heresy when the scriptures have been so radically changed.
If you do not investigate how the scriptures have been changed, you are just choosing to believe something you like.
Maybe the translation that you like. Picking a translation for a religion. You had the wool pulled over your eyes, way to trusting of the work of man.
Go find out for yourself...believe no one.
Once you know you better have a sense of humor because it is sad. Wars fought over Christ, when neither side knew the truth.
People talking like here, people that want to argue, but do not care enough to find the truth. It is not my truth, go find the truth.
And you will be none to happy that the wool has been pulled over eyes.

 

[kcnalp]

Heresy is not about doctrine really. In the context that you believe different than I do, is the most naïve understanding.
How can you define heresy when the scriptures have been so radically changed.
If you do not investigate how the scriptures have been changed, you are just choosing to believe something you like.
Maybe the translation that you like. Picking a translation for a religion. You had the wool pulled over your eyes, way to trusting of the work of man.
Go find out for yourself...believe no one.
Once you know you better have a sense of humor because it is sad. Wars fought over Christ, when neither side knew the truth.
People talking like here, people that want to argue, but do not care enough to find the truth. It is not my truth, go find the truth.
And you will be none to happy that the wool has been pulled over eyes.

If you don't believe our Bibles what do you believe?

 

[Grailhunter]

If you don't believe our Bibles what do you believe?

The scriptures. What an easy answer.
The problem...there is a big difference between the scriptures and what is printed in most Bibles of today.
The scripture is truth. Go back the best you can to the scriptures.

 

[kcnalp]

The scriptures. What an easy answer.
The problem...there is a big difference between the scriptures and what is printed in most Bibles of today.
The scripture is truth. Go back the best you can to the scriptures.

Which "Scriptures"?

 

[Grailhunter]

Which "Scriptures"?

Good question!
If you questioned the accuracy of all translations...where would you look to find the "most" original scriptures?

 

[kcnalp]

Good question!
If you questioned the accuracy of all translations...where would you look to find the "most" original scriptures?

Why don't you just tell us IF you know?

 

[Grailhunter]

Why don't you just tell us IF you know?

You think I am being coy! LOL
If I cannot get you to think, it does not matter.
Alright...the history of the modifications to the Old Testament scriptures is common knowledge.
I listed some of Old and New Testament modification here....The Bible - How do you view it ?
Debate...The Bible-How do you view it...post 13.
Most are easy to verify. Again I am going to say, do not believe me....go find the truth yourself....I am not trying to get people to believe what I believe, I am trying to get them to go find the truth.
There are books out their that have photo copies of the oldest existing texts...For scriptures under question you can reference them.
The Trinity is one of many topics that can be cleared up. When you get into deep research, you will find that popular religious terms that do not appear in the scripture, is someone's attempt to get you to believe a lie. They are red flags.

It is the details that have been messed with. Most denominations and most translations of the Bible can lead to salvation, and that is what is important. But the details, to many fingers in the pie. Most think that God is a being...God is a position...but there have been modifications made to make you think that that is His name. You go find out for yourself.

 

[quietthinker]

The flesh was purified.
God's glory cleansed it.
God changed the flesh that was cursed with death and made it living.
Because he had Life within himself.
The flesh was purged.
It went through a refining process
God tasted death for every man so we would not have to.
God took all of our sins upon himself.
He provided Himself an offering.

Consider the bush that was not consumed by fire.
God was in the bush but the bush was not consumed.
God was in the son (his body) and his body was not consumed.
He is not here, he is risen.

2Co 5:19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

Consider the word ‘sacrifice’. Traditionally it is understood as God requiring the death of a victim but sacrifice can also be understood as God giving his ‘life’ as opposed to his death. We killed him, not God. We couldn’t handle God’s kindness and he allowed us to take his life not because he needed somebody dead but because he wanted us to see the extent God would go. It revealed his love.

 

[Addy]

* Troll - non-Christian who derives pleasure from offending others online with inflammatory material and makes this their sole objective.
* Masco - non-Christian who masquerades as a Christian online to exploit opportunities for posting subversive material, falsely accusing the brethren, and discomforting the unwary.

What of the Christians who seem to enjoy this same kind of behaviour?? That is what I have noticed a lot of. The enemy sometimes comes from within. Forums are large showcases for people to step up and state whatever they desire.
I have changed from desiring to seek fellowship here... to.... simply coming in for ENTERTAINMENT... I have had to lower my standards to almost nothing... Perhaps now I will be able to last longer than a month without getting offended... LOL

 

[Heart2Soul]

Consider the word ‘sacrifice’. Traditionally it is understood as God requiring the death of a victim but sacrifice can also be understood as God giving his ‘life’ as opposed to his death. We killed him, not God. We couldn’t handle God’s kindness and he allowed us to take his life not because he needed somebody dead but because he wanted us to see the extent God would go. It revealed his love.

But in return we can become a living sacrifice for Him...
“I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.”
— Romans 12:1 (KJV)

 

[Heart2Soul]

The scriptures. What an easy answer.
The problem...there is a big difference between the scriptures and what is printed in most Bibles of today.
The scripture is truth. Go back the best you can to the scriptures.

And with each new translation the original meaning gets even more diluted.
I was thinking about all the languages the Bible is printed in and there are some words in Hebrew and Greek that cannot be translated into another language because they don't have a word to fit the original meaning.

 

[Stumpmaster]

What of the Christians who seem to enjoy this same kind of behaviour?? That is what I have noticed a lot of. The enemy sometimes comes from within. Forums are large showcases for people to step up and state whatever they desire.
I have changed from desiring to seek fellowship here... to.... simply coming in for ENTERTAINMENT... I have had to lower my standards to almost nothing... Perhaps now I will be able to last longer than a month without getting offended... LOL

Yes, without a love for the ideology of Christianity I would hate the reality of it.

Hence the beatitudes, or beautiful attitudes as someone called them.


Mat 5:2-12 Then He opened His mouth and taught them, saying: (3) "Blessed are the poor in spirit, For theirs is the kingdom of heaven. (4) Blessed are those who mourn, For they shall be comforted. (5) Blessed are the meek, For they shall inherit the earth. (6) Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness, For they shall be filled. (7) Blessed are the merciful, For they shall obtain mercy. (8) Blessed are the pure in heart, For they shall see God. (9) Blessed are the peacemakers, For they shall be called sons of God. (10) Blessed are those who are persecuted for righteousness' sake, For theirs is the kingdom of heaven. (11) "Blessed are you when they revile and persecute you, and say all kinds of evil against you falsely for My sake. (12) Rejoice and be exceedingly glad, for great is your reward in heaven, for so they persecuted the prophets who were before you.

 

[Addy]

Is there really such a difference in translations?? To the point of perverting scripture??

I do not understand this claim of diluting the meaning of things.

I have a NASB... a NKJV... a parallel bible with New Testament KJV... Amplified.. Living New Testament... RSV...

I don't think any bible translation is cause to make any new Christian stumble.

Now... if you are talking new bibles for LGBTQ... and any other SPECIALTY and new writings... the audience for which it is meant
would be a clear RED FLAG that things will be perverted and mis-represented.

I have heard this argument before with the KJV only crowd. I think it is yet another excuse to cause division.

 

[kcnalp]

You think I am being coy! LOL
If I cannot get you to think, it does not matter.
Alright...the history of the modifications to the Old Testament scriptures is common knowledge.
I listed some of Old and New Testament modification here....The Bible - How do you view it ?
Debate...The Bible-How do you view it...post 13.
Most are easy to verify. Again I am going to say, do not believe me....go find the truth yourself....I am not trying to get people to believe what I believe, I am trying to get them to go find the truth.
There are books out their that have photo copies of the oldest existing texts...For scriptures under question you can reference them.
The Trinity is one of many topics that can be cleared up. When you get into deep research, you find that popular religious term that do not appear in the scripture, is someone's attempt to get you to believe a lie. They are red flags.

It is the details that have been messed with. Most denominations and most translations of the Bible can lead to salvation, and that is what is important. But the details, to many fingers in the pie. Most think that God is a being...God is a position...but there have been modifications made to make you think that that is His name. You go find out for yourself.

So our Bibles are not trustworthy? I have found them to be very consistent.