The problem with the thousand years?

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Paul also didn't say "of this world". He said "Of this Age (aiṓn), which is why the translators knew it could not have been speaking of the eternal God, so used the lower case g.
Yes, of this age.

Like I said . . . if this is not speaking of the true God, then it is the one place in the NT that "ho theos" does not refer to the true God.

Upper and lower case of course were not used in Koine Greek, so any capitalization is added by translators. Or not.

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Does He have any adversaries in the world while He's ruling over everything?

If so, why does He have adversaries in the world if He's ruling over everything? How does it come about that He has adversaries in the world if He's ruling over everything?

Also, Why did He inspire His apostle Paul to call Satan the god of this world if He's ruling over everything?

Sure He has adversaries why not? You can still reign over your enemies. Satan can be god of the physical Jesus is God of the spiritual
 

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Back to the OP

Satan's binding ends in verse 7 when he is released.

Jesus' reigning over this world ends in verse 11 on the resurrection day verse 5 tells us that.
 

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Yes, of this age.

Like I said . . . if this is not speaking of the true God, then it is the one place in the NT that "ho theos" does not refer to the true God.

Upper and lower case of course were not used in Koine Greek, so any capitalization is added by translators. Or not.

Much love!
Thanks 4 pointing that out though. I never saw that B4.

I have noticed before that each and every other time the word Ho is in front of theos, it's talking about the Father, not the Son. It's translating the way in the Old Testament in English the name of God is translated as the LORD in higher case. The New Testament seems to copy that, and you can be sure that where you see Ho theos in the New Testament it's talking about the Father. It does not mean that when only theos is used without the defintite article it's never talking about the Father, but it does mean that when the definite article Ho is used before theos, it's talking only about God the Father - you can check each verse out where that appears.

You've made me really take a good look at 2 Crointhians 4:4.
 
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Sure He has adversaries why not? You can still reign over your enemies. Satan can be god of the physical Jesus is God of the spiritual
Why does He allow it do you think?
@Marty fox (adding):

If a king has a kingdom which belongs to him and he has full authority in it and control over what happens in it, why does he allow an adversary in his kingdom to go around deceiving the citizens of the kingdom and wreaking havoc?
 

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Why does He allow it do you think?
@Marty fox (adding):

If a king has a kingdom which belongs to him and he has full authority in it and control over what happens in it, why does he allow an adversary in his kingdom to go around deceiving the citizens of the kingdom and wreaking havoc?

Because of free will but God provided a plan but it will end one day
 

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Back to the OP

Satan's binding ends in verse 7 when he is released.

Jesus' reigning over this world ends in verse 11 on the resurrection day verse 5 tells us that.
Hebrews 1:8 states his throne is forever?

(Revelation) 11:15 clearly states Jesus reigns eternally, for ever and ever?

Hebrews 1:8KJV
8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.

Revelation 11:15KJV
15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.
 

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Revelation 11:15 below clearly states Jesus reigns eternally, for ever and ever?

Revelation 11:15KJV
15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

Of couse He does but its talking about in this world read the verse below

Revelation 20:5
They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years. 5 (The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended.)
 
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O fcouse He does but its talking about in this world read the verse below

Revelation 20:5
They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years. 5 (The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended.)
My Bible Dosent Say They (Came To Life) it clearly states the beheaded (Souls) lived and reigned with Jesus in the spiritual, awaiting the first resurrection, that takes place at the second coming

God is God of the living, not the dead,
Matthew 22:32

Revelation 20:4-5KJV
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
 

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You then don't see these two 1000 years as overlapping?

I do of course agree that Satan bound or not, Jesus is still omnipotent God.

I think that this 1000 years is the measure of time when Jesus rules an earthly kingdom, this earth, before the judgment of Man, and the new creation.

Just rechecked . . .

Revelation 20:7 KJV
7) And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,

It seems to me that the 1000 years that Jesus rules and the 1000 years that Satan is bound are the same 1000 years. After the 1000 years ends, Satan is released, deceives the nations, and all are destroyed who rebel against Jesus.

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That’s what it says, yep.
 
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You misrepresent my quote below, you will closely note that in bold red below

Quote Truth7t7:

"You follow the standard, you have read commentaries of man regarding dispensationalism, and you believe and teach what you have read, you believe it's teaching are found in scripture, just as every other follower of this teaching"
So you are above the law, and can condemn others, but you yourself are a perfect human?
 

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So if the king wants to put a stop to the activities of his adversary in his kingdom would he need to

(a) Bind the adversary and lock him in a prison; or
(b) Destroy the adversary once and for all?

The binding only benefits those who believe in the gospel because of free will

The adversary will be defeated once and for all when God has had enough

Did you see post#43?
 

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You need to give proper references here Marty.

Anyway, Satan is not bound according to scripture.

Then how come Peter can bind in heaven?

Rev 20:7
7 When the thousand years are over, Satan will be released from his prison

Rev 7:11-12
11 Then I saw a great white throne and him who was seated on it. The earth and the heavens fled from his presence, and there was no place for them. 12 And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Another book was opened, which is the book of life. The dead were judged according to what they had done as recorded in the books.

Rev 20:5
5 (The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended.) This is the first resurrection.
 
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Then how come Peter can bind in heaven?

Rev 20:7
7 When the thousand years are over, Satan will be released from his prison

Rev 7:11-12
11 Then I saw a great white throne and him who was seated on it. The earth and the heavens fled from his presence, and there was no place for them. 12 And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Another book was opened, which is the book of life. The dead were judged according to what they had done as recorded in the books.

Rev 20:5
5 (The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended.) This is the first resurrection.
"Binding and loosing" is a rabbinical expression referring to permitting/allowing or prohibiting in terms of the faith, in terms of the interpretation of the law (in the case of Peter in terms of what is allowed for the flock of Christ and what is prohibited). In the days of the Pharisees it had everything to do with interpretation of the law, so the Lord was basically allowing Peter to set what the church later claimed for itself, hence what we today would call "Canon Law".

When Christians take things completely out of context and invent meanings, or (in the way you have just done with regard to the "binding and loosing"), repeating lies, it shows a great deal. It betrays something about them and their handling of the Word of God. (and yes, I'm including you in it now, Marty, because this is what you are doing).

Eve is a type of the church, the bride of Christ. Was Satan bound from deceiving first Eve and then her husband Adam, even while they were spiritually alive (because it was before the fall of man, the fall of Adam)?

1 Peter 5
8 Be sensible and vigilant, because your adversary the Devil walks about like a roaring lion, seeking someone he may devour;
9 whom firmly resist in the faith, knowing that the same afflictions in the world are being completed in your brotherhood.

There is absolutely nowhere in the New Testament where it is taught that Satan was bound at the time of the cross, and there are numerous verses in scripture stating the opposite. We are told is that Satan was defeated by the cross, but scripture has him no more bound during this current Age than scripture has him already in the LoF.

All of you who teach the church that Satan is bound, claiming either that he is unable to deceive the nations, or that he is able to deceive the unsaved but not the church, are aiding his cause. It's a thousand times worse than telling Americans ISIS and the Taliban cannot harm nor touch them when they are in Afghanistan and they need not be vigilant wherever they go.

You twist truth and scripture to force it to comply with what you want it to be saying, instead of taking scripture at face value and believing what it says. You change the meaning repeatedly, even when it's talking plainly to the saints, doing so just to make the meaning comply with what you decide it should mean or what you want it to mean. This is indeed what you are doing.
 
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When Christians take things completely out of context and invent meanings, or (in the way you have just done with regard to the "binding and loosing"), repeating lies, it shows a great deal. It betrays something about them and their handling of the Word of God. (and yes, I'm including you in it now, Marty, because this is what you are doing).

Eve is a type of the church, the bride of Christ. Was Satan bound from deceiving first Eve and then her husband Adam, even while they were spiritually alive (because it was before the fall of man, the fall of Adam)?

1 Peter 5
8 Be sensible and vigilant, because your adversary the Devil walks about like a roaring lion, seeking someone he may devour;
9 whom firmly resist in the faith, knowing that the same afflictions in the world are being completed in your brotherhood.

There is absolutely nowhere in the New Testament where it is taught that Satan was bound at the time of the cross, and there are numerous verses in scripture stating the opposite. We are told is that Satan was defeated by the cross, but scripture has him no more bound during this current Age than scripture has him already in the LoF.

All of you who teach the church that Satan is bound, claiming either that he is unable to deceive the nations, or that he is able to deceive the unsaved but not the church, are aiding his cause. It's a thousand times worse than telling Americans ISIS and the Taliban cannot harm nor touch them when they are in Afghanistan and they need not be vigilant wherever they go.

You twist truth and scripture to force it to comply with what you want it to be saying, instead of taking scripture at face value and believing what it says. You change the meaning repeatedly, even when it's talking plainly to the saints, doing so just to make the meaning comply with what you decide it should mean or what you want it to mean. This is indeed what you are doing.
Marty is a liar, in repeating lies?

Possibly he is in error, and not intentionally lying?

Possibly you could choose better wording?
 
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Marty is a liar, in repeating lies?

Possibly he is in error, and not intentionally lying?

Possibly you could choose better wording?
Possibly you should stop stirring.
@Truth7t7 When something is not doctrinally true it is a lie, according to the Biblical definition of lies. You do the same thing when you repeat lies.

Saying that Satan is bound during this current Age is a lie. You yourself repeat the same lie over and over.
 

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Marty is a liar, in repeating lies?

Possibly he is in error, and not intentionally lying?

Possibly you could choose better wording?

Thanks I think I'm done debating with him. There is a difference in having a different interpretation of scripture and out right lying
 
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