The problem with the thousand years?

[Zao is life]

We Disagree, Satan is currently bound from (Deceiving The Nations) To Battle, As Revelation 20:7-8 clearly defines this

Satan is not bound from general evil in the world presently

Then he is not bound. He is restricted from deceiving the nations to battle, for now.

 

[Truth7t7]

So now I will see how you will answer my protest that Babylon the Great is destroyed by the (ten horns of the) beast and the beast is taken and then destroyed by Christ in the LoF. Unless you want to do a cut 'n paste job and place thousands of years between the one and the other (the way people do with Daniel 9:27b), it doesn't fit.

Your problem is, you have a predetermined bias and road block in believing the book of Revelation is taught in chronological order, and that there will be a literal 1,000 year kingdom on this earth, with neither being true

 

[Truth7t7]

Then he is not bound. He is restricted from deceiving the nations to battle, for now.

He is bound from one specific purpose, deceiving the nations to battle

Are we gonna play the name game now, (bound/not bound), smiles

Fact is, I have explained my position 10 times to you, and you fully understand it, momma didnt raise no dummy here

 

[Zao is life]

Your problem is, you have a predetermined bias and road block in believing the book of Revelation is taught in chronological order, and that there will be a literal 1,000 year kingdom on this earth, with neither being true

No it has nothing to do with any roadblock I have. It's your roadblock. The oxymoron of your claim that Satan is bound but not bound ("bound in this way, not bound in this way") is staring at you in the face but you don't see it.

Your roadblock. If you said Satan was bound (period) then you still wouldn't be able to accuse me of having a roadblock "because of any determination on my part to view the Revelation in any way" - because it's a false accusation and you really don't know what you're talking about. You're not God, who knows my mind, just because you think you are.

 

[Truth7t7]

No it has nothing to do with any roadblock I have. It's your roadblock. The oxymoron of your claim that Satan is bound but not bound ("bound in this way, not bound in this way") is staring at you in the face but you don't see it.

Your roadblock. If you said Satan was bound then you still wouldn't be able to accuse me of having a roadblock because of any determination on my part to view the Revelation in any way - because it's a false accusation and you really don't know what you're talking about. You're not God, who knows my mind, just because you think you are.

When you can understand that (The Souls) and (The Dead) in Revelation 20:4-6 are not living on this earth, but are in the Lords eternal realm, then the green light will allow you to progress forward, until then it's circles in the field

Jesus Is The Lord

 

[Zao is life]

When you can understand that (The Souls) and (The Dead) in Revelation 20:4-6 are not living on this earth, but are in the Lords eternal realm, then the green light will allow you to progress forward, until then it's circles in the field

Jesus Is The Lord

When you realize how finite your understanding is and how fallible you are then you'll be able to climb down from that ridiculously precarious perch of yours, and then you may realize that you are wrong, or at least question your beliefs.

If you're like me you'll have your mind open to the possibility that others may be correct in the way they understand it, and me the one who is wrong in the way I understand it.

But the lofty pose that your adopt whenever you say something from your ridiculous looking precarious perch does not give me much evidence that you may know what you're talking about.

Tip: I listen to and carefully consider what @Marty fox says because he is not adopting a lofty pose on a precarious fallible human perch like you do.

 

[Zao is life]

When you can understand that (The Souls) and (The Dead) in Revelation 20:4-6 are not living on this earth, but are in the Lords eternal realm, then the green light will allow you to progress forward, until then it's circles in the field

Jesus Is The Lord

Ephesians 2
4 But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us,
5 Even when we were dead in sins, has quickened us together with Christ, (by grace all of you are saved
6 And has raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:

Collosians 3
1 If then you were raised with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ is sitting at the right hand of God.
2 Be mindful of things above, not on things on the earth.
3 For you died, and your life has been hidden with Christ in God.
4 When Christ our Life is revealed, then you also will be revealed with Him in glory.

When you understand that the resurrection of those who are Christ's at His coming (1 Corinthians 15:22-23) has not happened yet, but those whom John saw in Revelation 20, are stated to have (already) had part in the first resurrection, the second death having no power over them, then you will understand why what you said above is not a good enough argument.

1. They were beheaded: Why and when were they beheaded?
2. Does the resurrection of those who are Christ's at His coming occur before His coming?

That's the first problem with your argument. There are other holes in your arguments besides. Your oxymoron of Satan being bound but not bound, for example (Satan being bound but not bound = Satan is not bound). It's marvelous to see someone get themselves into such a knot with add-on theories like that when their theory is contradicted by facts.

 

[Truth7t7]

Ephesians 2
4 But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us,
5 Even when we were dead in sins, has quickened us together with Christ, (by grace all of you are saved
6 And has raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:

Collosians 3
1 If then you were raised with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ is sitting at the right hand of God.
2 Be mindful of things above, not on things on the earth.
3 For you died, and your life has been hidden with Christ in God.
4 When Christ our Life is revealed, then you also will be revealed with Him in glory.

When you understand that the resurrection of those who are Christ's at His coming (1 Corinthians 15:22-23) has not happened yet, but those whom John saw in Revelation 20, are stated to have (already) had part in the first resurrection, the second death having no power over them, then you will understand why what you said above is not a good enough argument.

1. They were beheaded: Why and when were they beheaded?
2. Does the resurrection of those who are Christ's at His coming occur before His coming?

Not one word in Revelation 20:4-6 states any resurrection takes place before the last day

They lived and reigned in the spiritual,God is a God of the living

That's 100% spiritual realm, it's not on this earth, who you kidding

Revelation 20:4-6KJV
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

 

[Zao is life]

Not one word in Revelation 20:4-6 states any resurrection takes place before the last day

1. They were beheaded: Why and when were they beheaded?
2. Does the resurrection of those who are Christ's at His coming occur before His coming?

Try harder now. You need a few more add-on theories.

 

[Truth7t7]

1. They were beheaded: Why and when were they beheaded?
2. Does the resurrection of those who are Christ's at His coming occur before His coming?

Try harder now. You need a few more add-on theories.

1.The souls are killed before the second coming during the tribulation

2. All that have lived and died will be resurrected at the second coming,including the souls and the dead in Revelation 20:4-6

 

[Zao is life]

1.The souls are killed before the second coming during the tribulation

2. All that have lived and died will be resurrected at the second coming,including the souls and the dead in Revelation 20:4-6

Very unworkable add-on theory. I thought you were going to try harder than that. I'm disappointed.

 

[Truth7t7]

Very unworkable add-on theory. I thought you were going to try harder than that. I'm disappointed.

Very workable truth that you dislike, because it exposes the fact no humans on this earth are seen in Revelation 20:4-6,its a man made fairy tale

 

[Zao is life]

Very workable truth that you dislike, because it exposes the fact no humans on this earth are seen in Revelation 20:4-6,its a man made fairy tale

The re-release of Satan, deception of the nations and rebellion being destroyed by fire is shown in the same passage to come at the close of the same period. So you're not on earth now, if your theory passes the test (which it doesn't, of course).

PS: Why did you Like Post #311? Is it because it applies to you too?

It applies equally to you when you start your posts with words like, "Your problem is.." and "You have been repeatedly told.." and "I have repeatedly shown you.." and then continue to repeat the same arguments that are full of holes, without ever considering that you may be the fallible person who has misunderstood something.

 

[Truth7t7]

The re-release of Satan, deception of the nations and rebellion being destroyed by fire is shown in the same passage to come at the close of the same period. So you're not on earth now, if your theory passes the test (which it doesn't, of course).

It's simple

The Antichrist is revealed in Jerusalem proclaiming to be Messiah God returned, the 3.5 year tribulation starts, some pre-ordained believers are killed during the tribilation and they enter the Lords spiritual realm of one day is a thousand years

Towards the end of this 3.5 year tribulation the 6th vial is poured out, satan is loosed to deceive the nations to battle,

Jesus returns in the resurrection of all including the souls and the dead seen in Revelation 20:4-6, and catching up of believers, as the earth is dissolved by the Lords fire in judgement, as the new heavens and earth are revealed, judgement complete for the wicked in the lake of fire, the righteous go to the eternal kingdom

Simple

 

[Zao is life]

It's simple

The Antichrist is revealed in Jerusalem proclaiming to be Messiah God returned, the 3.5 year tribulation starts, some pre-ordained believers are killed during the tribilation and they enter the Lords spiritual realm of one day is a thousand years

Towards the end of this 3.5 year tribulation the 6th vial is poured out, satan is loosed to deceive the nations to battle,

Jesus returns in the resurrection of all including the souls and the dead seen in Revelation 20:4-6, and catching up of believers, as the earth is dissolved by the Lords fire in judgement, as the new heavens and earth are revealed, judgement complete for the wicked in the lake of fire, the righteous go to the eternal kingdom

Simple

Ohhh I see. Yes. You're right. Simple. Too simple, because @Truth7t7 one part of what you are saying is not written (you've added to the revealed Word), and another part is not written like that because you've left out a big part (taken away from the revealed Word).

Do you know that that is exactly what Eve did in the garden when Satan asked her if God had indeed said something? In her reply, she added a little to what God did say, and she took away a little. Eve is a type of the church.

On top of that, you've also arrived there by doing a cut 'n paste job with Daniel 9:27b (which you have repeatedly "shown" to be the case, even though it isn't), which makes it 100% clear that you've filled in the dots by connecting dots that don't fit together. It takes more than a little fallible human imagination to do that.

Well done.

 

[Waiting on him]

You two are hilarious

 

[Brakelite]

400 years ago, the biggest enemy to Christianity, the Antichrist, succeeded in planting within protestantism a seed which has since taken deep root and today has deceived the majority of a people who now even deny the very ones upon which their Protestant beliefs were built. Futurism has beguiled and deceived this generation.

 

[amadeus]

You two are hilarious

Perhaps it is to God, but let us not laugh. I just tried to read the whole of the thread, which is difficult for me, to get some ideas about the 1000 years and the personal attacks distracted me so I quit. Not funny for me.

 

[amadeus]

i vaguely recall some argument for Methuselah's death being later than Tim's timeline there, but i dont recall anything coming of it, and it's too far back for me to remember right...
M dying the same year as the flood, seems like more than a coincidence though, huh?

I have a few other things on this in my notes, but this thread is too complex and too messy for me. I will open another thread and hopefully it will not too quickly end up also in a similar mess of deep subjects and personal attacks.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

As explained several times, in Revelation 20:1-6 there are (Souls) and (The Dead) and they live and reign because they have received eternal life, and they are blessed to partake in the future (First Resurrection) that takes place on the last day at the second coming as you have been shown several times

There isnt one Old Testament passage that shows a mortal 1,000 year kingdom on this earth, not one

Isaiah chapters 11 & 65, Zechariah 14, Ezekiel 47-48 represents the eternal kingdom, not a mortal kingdom on this earth as dispensationalism teaches in error

you are just a mynah bird. You repeat over and over and refuse to address the bible verses that shred the hypotheses you bought into>

4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

To believe your false theory, you have to believe that souls die!

You also have to say god is a lousy inspirer. Because everyone who has any knowledge of grammar knows that by these verses, Some people come to life to reign with Jesus for 1,000 years and the rest of teh dead have to wait 1,000 years.

If the thousand years is taking place now then who are these resurrected righteous who did not take th emark or worship the beast and his image???

As you do not like to accept Gpods Word as written, why should I accept your word as written??