No what I said was did Jesus Jesus save us physically or spiritually with His spiritual death?
He saved us spiritually as will will never spiritually die but our bodies will physically die
The Cross was not spiritual any more than it was physical.
Claiming a spiritual death is pointless and useless without the physical aspect. If there ever was a point that God could die, it was on the Cross. Saying God spiritually died is no different than God physically died. You cannot split that moment into different fragments. It either happened or it did not happen. No half way endeavor.
It may not be provable, yet it seems implied that the Trinity is just an equal spiritual and physical manifestation of GOD into this creation. Outside of creation there is not physical nor spiritual GOD. GOD just is a being without a spiritual nor physical attribute, but inside of Creation GOD is the full Trinity. That is not being disrespectful, but idealistic.
More idealistic than many claiming there was life created before Genesis 1:1.
There is no indication at all of life before Genesis 1:1.
So splitting up the Cross into spiritual or physical, before Creation or in 30AD is pointless to me. To GOD it all happened at the same time outside of creation.
Now if someone wants to claim this is a NHNE and the angels are equal to the church in a prior reality, why would sin be the reason for this reality, when sin really has nothing to do with the next reality? Nothing about God screams second chance. Those fallen angels are not given a second chance. Satan has not been given a second chance, not that he wants one. He is still insane about wanting that first promotion from being an angel to being GOD. The only one's offered a second chance would be those currently in sheol. Most would claim heresy at that notion.
Even salvation is not a second chance. We start out in the womb dead. The only thing we can do is stay the same, do nothing or trust God. But all chances are seemingly lost if we land in sheol. We are not given a second chance, but a first chance to accept God.
Until you are in a permanent incorruptible body like Adam was created with, you cannot claim literal physical death. You have yet to claim a literal permanent incorruptible body. So saying the soul leaves this body is death, is literally wrong. The soul is leaving death for either eternal death or eternal life. No logical, practical, or meaningful alternate explanation.
You cannot separate the physical and spiritual from God. You cannot claim life either physically or spiritually.
This dead body returns to dust. It is not the permanent incorruptible body made by God.
In Adam all are physically dead. Adam physically died the second he disobeyed God. No getting around that fact. Yes he was given a physical corruptible body, but still a dead corruptible physical body. We are in Adam's image/flesh and blood of death.
Can an incorruptible body "die"? Yes, it can be taken away as fast as it can be given. I would not say it "dies", but ceases to exist, as it is no longer compatible with a soul that is in rebellion to God. No such thing as incorruptible bodies walking around looking for souls to possess them.
That would cover the physical side. I would point out that we are dead to our spirit, but it is not dead, but alive and in the presence of God. If one cannot grasp the physical, one surely would fail at the spiritual aspect of life. Many prefer they have a handle on the spiritual, yet stop at the physical, as merely this corruptible body.
If one is spiritually dead they are cut off from God. However the Holy Spirit is that "restored" connection, and has always been available. That is basically what God left us with, but not entirely. The Scripture does cover in an indirect way what a spirit is and what a spirit can become. The spirit is as eternal as the soul. It is not like the two types of physical bodies that some fail to see as equally physical. Some claim the spirit is our permanent physical body.
That is why the Atonement gave us back both a physical body distinct from our spirit. The body, soul, and spirit are just as distinct from one another as the relationship of Christ, God, and the Holy Spirit. Only as restored sons of God can we be the complete image of God, where the soul, body, and spirit are joined as one.
The body was afforded at the Cross. Those souls in Abraham's bosom had a physical bodily resurrection to enjoy Paradise, which was off limits until the physical act of the Cross. Why many claim only souls are available makes no sense if souls went without bodies in Abraham's bosom, just to remain without bodies in Paradise. The whole point of a physical act was to show the physical now allowed in Paradise. Now we are with the Lord, and no longer captive in Abraham's bosom, a part of sheol.
Would not the soul in Abraham's bosom suffice for a spiritual respite free from sin? That many showed faith in God starting with Abel, not sure why it is not Abel's bosom, was a start in the restoration. Did Abel and those prior to Abraham have to wait even for Abraham's time, where the soul was at rest in Abraham's bosom? We were not told. We are not even told if at the Cross, Paradise was now that city in Hebrews 11. They may still be looking.
"In faith died all these, not having received the promises, but from afar having seen them, and having been persuaded, and having saluted [them], and having confessed that strangers and sojourners they are upon the earth, for those saying such things make manifest that they seek
a country; and if, indeed, they had been mindful of that from which they came forth, they might have had an opportunity to return, but now they long for a better, that is, an heavenly, wherefore God is not ashamed of them, to be called their God,
for He did prepare for them a city."
"and these all, having been testified to through the faith, did not receive the promise, God for us something better having provided, that apart from us they might not be made perfect."
But that does not indicate "without a body". It does not indicate they have been joined to their spirit.
The physical was restored first. The spirit is that point of being perfect as one body. The body does not make us perfect, but it would allow the soul to enjoy the physical. Since Christ is physical in Paradise, would not all souls be physical? As the reason Paradise was banned was not for the soul, but the physical body. Abraham's bosom was for the soul, not for the body. Now in Paradise, a body, but not a spirit. Those in Paradise are still waiting for the Second Coming and the rejoining of the spirit.
