For a background here I am copying a few posts from another thread:
@bbyrd009
@Waiting on him
@Timtofly
@Backlit
Waiting on him said: The one thousand is a symbolic portrayal of a long period of time.
Example;
Psalm 50:10 KJV
[10] For every beast of the forest is mine, and the cattle upon a thousand hills.
Does this mean all the other hills in the world are not His?
Amadeus said: And hearing that then let us also remember that the grandfather of Noah, Methuselah with the most years accounted to him in written scripture came up short not making it beyond the flood:
"And Methuselah lived an hundred eighty and seven years, and begat Lamech:
And Methuselah lived after he begat Lamech seven hundred eighty and two years, and begat sons and daughters:
And all the days of Methuselah were nine hundred sixty and nine years: and he died." Gen 5:25-27
Timtofly said: Did he refuse to get on the ark, or did God not allow him to get on the ark?
Amadeus said: If he was still alive when the door to the ark was closed with him on the outside then he must have drowned. According to my Bible he was not one of the 8 people who did get on board. I do not believe that God would have stopped him, if he had really wanted to enter in...
Timtofly said: I would tend to agree. But we do not know the state of Methuselah's heart and mind, no matter how much credit we give him. Obviously he was not Enoch and he was not Noah. The only two humans we are told about who had faith in God.
bbyrd009 said: why do you suspect that he might still have been alive? Is the math indicating that?
Timtofly said: It was the same year. No way to tell the exact month or day. Obviously unless he got on the ark, he died. If he had gotten on the ark, no one was turned away, as far as we know, he would have kept living. Nothing in Scripture claims Methuselah had to die at a certain year of life.
Timtofly said: "And Methuselah lived after he begat Lamech seven hundred eighty and two years, and begat sons and daughters: And all the days of Methuselah were nine hundred sixty and nine years: and he died. And Lamech lived an hundred eighty and two years, and begat a son: And he called his name Noah, saying, This same shall comfort us concerning our work and toil of our hands, because of the ground which the Lord hath cursed. And Lamech lived after he begat Noah five hundred ninety and five years, and begat sons and daughters: And all the days of Lamech were seven hundred seventy and seven years: and he died. And Noah was five hundred years old: and Noah begat Shem, Ham, and Japheth."
"And Noah was six hundred years old when the flood of waters was upon the earth."
782 years after Lamech was born, Methuselah died.
Noah was born when Lamech was 182 years old.
782 - 182 = 600. 600 years after Noah was born was the Flood.
600 years after Noah was born, Methuselah died.
bbryrd009 said: i vaguely recall some argument for Methuselah's death being later than Tim's timeline there, but i dont recall anything coming of it, and it's too far back for me to remember right...
M dying the same year as the flood, seems like more than a coincidence though, huh?
Backlit said: Hi Mark. There's an idea that the flood is a type of the second coming, that the fit and able will be chosen to go through the final plagues etc but remain protected as was Noah, while the elderly and the inform will be taken to their rest beforehand as was Noah's immediate predecessors. It wouldn't have been an easy time even though they were in a large boat... Storms are never easy. And it won't be easy in the coming crisis either... God is merciful.
@bbyrd009
@Waiting on him
@Timtofly
@Backlit
Waiting on him said: The one thousand is a symbolic portrayal of a long period of time.
Example;
Psalm 50:10 KJV
[10] For every beast of the forest is mine, and the cattle upon a thousand hills.
Does this mean all the other hills in the world are not His?
Amadeus said: And hearing that then let us also remember that the grandfather of Noah, Methuselah with the most years accounted to him in written scripture came up short not making it beyond the flood:
"And Methuselah lived an hundred eighty and seven years, and begat Lamech:
And Methuselah lived after he begat Lamech seven hundred eighty and two years, and begat sons and daughters:
And all the days of Methuselah were nine hundred sixty and nine years: and he died." Gen 5:25-27
Timtofly said: Did he refuse to get on the ark, or did God not allow him to get on the ark?
Amadeus said: If he was still alive when the door to the ark was closed with him on the outside then he must have drowned. According to my Bible he was not one of the 8 people who did get on board. I do not believe that God would have stopped him, if he had really wanted to enter in...
Timtofly said: I would tend to agree. But we do not know the state of Methuselah's heart and mind, no matter how much credit we give him. Obviously he was not Enoch and he was not Noah. The only two humans we are told about who had faith in God.
bbyrd009 said: why do you suspect that he might still have been alive? Is the math indicating that?
Timtofly said: It was the same year. No way to tell the exact month or day. Obviously unless he got on the ark, he died. If he had gotten on the ark, no one was turned away, as far as we know, he would have kept living. Nothing in Scripture claims Methuselah had to die at a certain year of life.
Timtofly said: "And Methuselah lived after he begat Lamech seven hundred eighty and two years, and begat sons and daughters: And all the days of Methuselah were nine hundred sixty and nine years: and he died. And Lamech lived an hundred eighty and two years, and begat a son: And he called his name Noah, saying, This same shall comfort us concerning our work and toil of our hands, because of the ground which the Lord hath cursed. And Lamech lived after he begat Noah five hundred ninety and five years, and begat sons and daughters: And all the days of Lamech were seven hundred seventy and seven years: and he died. And Noah was five hundred years old: and Noah begat Shem, Ham, and Japheth."
"And Noah was six hundred years old when the flood of waters was upon the earth."
782 years after Lamech was born, Methuselah died.
Noah was born when Lamech was 182 years old.
782 - 182 = 600. 600 years after Noah was born was the Flood.
600 years after Noah was born, Methuselah died.
bbryrd009 said: i vaguely recall some argument for Methuselah's death being later than Tim's timeline there, but i dont recall anything coming of it, and it's too far back for me to remember right...
M dying the same year as the flood, seems like more than a coincidence though, huh?
Backlit said: Hi Mark. There's an idea that the flood is a type of the second coming, that the fit and able will be chosen to go through the final plagues etc but remain protected as was Noah, while the elderly and the inform will be taken to their rest beforehand as was Noah's immediate predecessors. It wouldn't have been an easy time even though they were in a large boat... Storms are never easy. And it won't be easy in the coming crisis either... God is merciful.