Methuselah - When did he die and why at that particular time

[amadeus]

For a background here I am copying a few posts from another thread:
@bbyrd009
@Waiting on him
@Timtofly
@Backlit

Waiting on him said: The one thousand is a symbolic portrayal of a long period of time.
Example;
Psalm 50:10 KJV
[10] For every beast of the forest is mine, and the cattle upon a thousand hills.
Does this mean all the other hills in the world are not His?

Amadeus said: And hearing that then let us also remember that the grandfather of Noah, Methuselah with the most years accounted to him in written scripture came up short not making it beyond the flood:

"And Methuselah lived an hundred eighty and seven years, and begat Lamech:
And Methuselah lived after he begat Lamech seven hundred eighty and two years, and begat sons and daughters:
And all the days of Methuselah were nine hundred sixty and nine years: and he died." Gen 5:25-27

Timtofly said: Did he refuse to get on the ark, or did God not allow him to get on the ark?

Amadeus said: If he was still alive when the door to the ark was closed with him on the outside then he must have drowned. According to my Bible he was not one of the 8 people who did get on board. I do not believe that God would have stopped him, if he had really wanted to enter in...

Timtofly said: I would tend to agree. But we do not know the state of Methuselah's heart and mind, no matter how much credit we give him. Obviously he was not Enoch and he was not Noah. The only two humans we are told about who had faith in God.

bbyrd009 said: why do you suspect that he might still have been alive? Is the math indicating that?

Timtofly said: It was the same year. No way to tell the exact month or day. Obviously unless he got on the ark, he died. If he had gotten on the ark, no one was turned away, as far as we know, he would have kept living. Nothing in Scripture claims Methuselah had to die at a certain year of life.

Timtofly said: "And Methuselah lived after he begat Lamech seven hundred eighty and two years, and begat sons and daughters: And all the days of Methuselah were nine hundred sixty and nine years: and he died. And Lamech lived an hundred eighty and two years, and begat a son: And he called his name Noah, saying, This same shall comfort us concerning our work and toil of our hands, because of the ground which the Lord hath cursed. And Lamech lived after he begat Noah five hundred ninety and five years, and begat sons and daughters: And all the days of Lamech were seven hundred seventy and seven years: and he died. And Noah was five hundred years old: and Noah begat Shem, Ham, and Japheth."

"And Noah was six hundred years old when the flood of waters was upon the earth."

782 years after Lamech was born, Methuselah died.

Noah was born when Lamech was 182 years old.

782 - 182 = 600. 600 years after Noah was born was the Flood.

600 years after Noah was born, Methuselah died.

bbryrd009 said: i vaguely recall some argument for Methuselah's death being later than Tim's timeline there, but i dont recall anything coming of it, and it's too far back for me to remember right...
M dying the same year as the flood, seems like more than a coincidence though, huh?

Backlit said: Hi Mark. There's an idea that the flood is a type of the second coming, that the fit and able will be chosen to go through the final plagues etc but remain protected as was Noah, while the elderly and the inform will be taken to their rest beforehand as was Noah's immediate predecessors. It wouldn't have been an easy time even though they were in a large boat... Storms are never easy. And it won't be easy in the coming crisis either... God is merciful.

 

[amadeus]

“Is there not an appointed time to man upon earth? are not his days also like the days of an hireling?” Job 7:1

This actually relates to the stewardship which God gave to each of us: “The day of an hireling”. An employer hires many people to accomplish the work that needs to be done. Some will soon have to be let go [fired] because they cannot or will not do the work properly. Some will do a little as they can get away with and still continue to keep their jobs and their paychecks. A smaller number, that is, a few, will have, or will obtain, the incentive to do their work well and to please their employer.

“As a servant earnestly desireth the shadow, and as an hireling looketh for the reward of his work:” Job 7:2

What is the difference between a servant and a hireling? Consider the ‘shadow’ desired:

“And believers were the more added to the Lord, multitudes both of men and women.)

Insomuch that they brought forth the sick into the streets, and laid them on beds and couches, that at the least the shadow of Peter passing by might overshadow some of them.” Acts 5:14-15

Whereas the hireling simply wants his paycheck so he can get on with his life [his allotted time]. The paycheck might be the guarantee of unending Life, but actually he wants that with the least amount of effort on his part so he can spend most of his time and effort enjoying what he can in this carnal abode [society with all of its ‘fun & games’] of men.

”So am I made to possess months of vanity, and wearisome nights are appointed to me.

When I lie down, I say, When shall I arise, and the night be gone? and I am full of tossings to and fro unto the dawning of the day.” Job 7:3-4

“Those that be planted in the house of the LORD shall flourish in the courts of our God.

They shall still bring forth fruit in old age; they shall be fat and flourishing;” Psalm 92:13-14

This 92nd psalm is speaking of where we should want to be!

“And Joseph brought in Jacob his father, and set him before Pharaoh: and Jacob blessed Pharaoh.

And Pharaoh said unto Jacob, How old art thou?

And Jacob said unto Pharaoh, The days of the years of my pilgrimage are an hundred and thirty years: few and evil have the days of the years of my life been, and have not attained unto the days of the years of the life of my fathers in the days of their pilgrimage.” Gen 47:7-9

Jacob speaks of his own allotted time to that point [he lived 10 more years in Egypt before dying there]. That allotted time has apparently grown shorter generally for men while generally men have moved away from rather than toward God.

Does the 1000 years seems to represent the ideal, perhaps even the unending Life? No man attained it. The oldest man recorded fell short.

“And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years”” Gen 6:3

“For thus saith the LORD, That after seventy years be accomplished at Babylon I will visit you, and perform my good word toward you, in causing you to return to this place.

For I know the thoughts that I think toward you, saith the LORD, thoughts of peace, and not of evil, to give you an expected end.” Jerem 29:10-11

“For all our days are passed away in thy wrath: we spend our years as a tale that is told.

The days of our years are threescore years and ten; and if by reason of strength they be fourscore years, yet is their strength labour and sorrow; for it is soon cut off, and we fly away.” Psalm 90:9-10

In that psalm by Moses we see a number declared, but it is a very long way from that 1000, if 1000 is the ideal or the goal.

 

[amadeus]

What happened to man? What happened to Methuselah, the man as per scripture who came closest to attaining to that apparent ideal of 1000 years of carnal life?

 

[amadeus]

Anyone is invited, but please stay on topic and no personal attacks.

@bbyrd009 @Waiting on him @Timtofly @Backlit @Nancy @Episkopos @stunnedbygrace @Helen @BarnyFife @APAK @marks @Taken @Heart2Soul @stredaleve

And anyone else interested in a friendly hopefully edifying discussion for all of us.

 

[amigo de christo]

For a background here I am copying a few posts from another thread:
@bbyrd009
@Waiting on him
@Timtofly
@Backlit

Waiting on him said: The one thousand is a symbolic portrayal of a long period of time.
Example;
Psalm 50:10 KJV
[10] For every beast of the forest is mine, and the cattle upon a thousand hills.
Does this mean all the other hills in the world are not His?

Amadeus said: And hearing that then let us also remember that the grandfather of Noah, Methuselah with the most years accounted to him in written scripture came up short not making it beyond the flood:

"And Methuselah lived an hundred eighty and seven years, and begat Lamech:
And Methuselah lived after he begat Lamech seven hundred eighty and two years, and begat sons and daughters:
And all the days of Methuselah were nine hundred sixty and nine years: and he died." Gen 5:25-27

Timtofly said: Did he refuse to get on the ark, or did God not allow him to get on the ark?

Amadeus said: If he was still alive when the door to the ark was closed with him on the outside then he must have drowned. According to my Bible he was not one of the 8 people who did get on board. I do not believe that God would have stopped him, if he had really wanted to enter in...

Timtofly said: I would tend to agree. But we do not know the state of Methuselah's heart and mind, no matter how much credit we give him. Obviously he was not Enoch and he was not Noah. The only two humans we are told about who had faith in God.

bbyrd009 said: why do you suspect that he might still have been alive? Is the math indicating that?

Timtofly said: It was the same year. No way to tell the exact month or day. Obviously unless he got on the ark, he died. If he had gotten on the ark, no one was turned away, as far as we know, he would have kept living. Nothing in Scripture claims Methuselah had to die at a certain year of life.

Timtofly said: "And Methuselah lived after he begat Lamech seven hundred eighty and two years, and begat sons and daughters: And all the days of Methuselah were nine hundred sixty and nine years: and he died. And Lamech lived an hundred eighty and two years, and begat a son: And he called his name Noah, saying, This same shall comfort us concerning our work and toil of our hands, because of the ground which the Lord hath cursed. And Lamech lived after he begat Noah five hundred ninety and five years, and begat sons and daughters: And all the days of Lamech were seven hundred seventy and seven years: and he died. And Noah was five hundred years old: and Noah begat Shem, Ham, and Japheth."

"And Noah was six hundred years old when the flood of waters was upon the earth."

782 years after Lamech was born, Methuselah died.

Noah was born when Lamech was 182 years old.

782 - 182 = 600. 600 years after Noah was born was the Flood.

600 years after Noah was born, Methuselah died.

bbryrd009 said: i vaguely recall some argument for Methuselah's death being later than Tim's timeline there, but i dont recall anything coming of it, and it's too far back for me to remember right...
M dying the same year as the flood, seems like more than a coincidence though, huh?

Backlit said: Hi Mark. There's an idea that the flood is a type of the second coming, that the fit and able will be chosen to go through the final plagues etc but remain protected as was Noah, while the elderly and the inform will be taken to their rest beforehand as was Noah's immediate predecessors. It wouldn't have been an easy time even though they were in a large boat... Storms are never easy. And it won't be easy in the coming crisis either... God is merciful.

I did the math years ago my friend . Lamech died five years before the flood and His Father methusulah died in the year OF the flood .
While i dont know this , my best guess is he probably died right before the flood . Not in the flood . BUT i dont KNOW that .
Its just a guess that perhaps he died in that same year , just bit earlier before the actual flood .

 

[amadeus]

I did the math years ago my friend . Lamech died five years before the flood and His Father methusulah died in the year OF the flood .
While i dont know this , my best guess is he probably died right before the flood . Not in the flood . BUT i dont KNOW that .
Its just a guess that perhaps he died in that same year , just bit earlier before the actual flood .

Thanks for the input on this. That confirms again the when of it, but hoping some will contribute to the why according to God... or man?

 

[amadeus]

Anyone is invited, but please stay on topic and no personal attacks.

@bbyrd009 @Waiting on him @Timtofly @Backlit @Nancy @Episkopos @stunnedbygrace @Helen @BarnyFife @APAK @marks @Taken @Heart2Soul @stredaleve

And anyone else interested in a friendly hopefully edifying discussion for all of us.

@Addy @Truman the Levite @Triumph1300

 

[amigo de christo]

Thanks for the input on this. That confirms again the when of it, but hoping some will contribute to the why according to God... or man?

I believe the why is because GOD had already determined to use NOAH , not methusulah . Not that methusulah was evil .
Look at when the church cast lots . They cast lotts between mathias and joseph .
Just cause joseph was not chosen , this did not mean he was evil . Its just means that GOD has chosen mathias in that part .
JUST as HE chose NOAH for this part . It makes neither lamech nor methusulah evil .
I hope that helps my friend .

 

[Enoch111]

What happened to man? What happened to Methuselah, the man as per scripture who came closest to attaining to that apparent ideal of 1000 years of carnal life?

Why have you assumed that Methuselah lived a carnal life? For all we know he was a very godly man. As to his death, he died in the year of the Flood: And all the days of Methuselah were nine hundred sixty and nine years: and he died.

1. Lamech was born when Methuselah was 187 years old.
2. Noah was born when Lamech was 182 years old.
3. So Methuselah was 369 years old when Noah was born.
4. Noah had his three sons when he was 500 years old.
5. So Methuselah was 869 years old when those three were born.
6. Noah was 600 years old when the Flood came upon the earth.
7. So Methuselah was 969 years old in the year of the Flood, and he died the same year.

All the speculation about Methuselah is unnecessary and unedifying. He was Enoch's son, and since Enoch walked with God, it would seem that Methuselah followed in his steps. Therefore God took him before the Flood. Also there are 31 years to 1,000, so it was not even close to 1,000 years when he died.

 

[amadeus]

I believe the why is because GOD had already determined to use NOAH , not methusulah . Not that methusulah was evil .
Look at when the church cast lots . They cast lotts between mathias and joseph .
Just cause joseph was not chosen , this did not mean he was evil . Its just means that GOD has chosen mathias in that part .
JUST as HE chose NOAH for this part . It makes neither lamech nor methusulah evil .
I hope that helps my friend .

Thanks!
Every little thing edifying us in the things of God helps!

 

[amadeus]

Why have you assumed that Methuselah lived a carnal life?

Sorry I did not intend it in a negative way although I should have understood that some might take it that way. I used 'carnal' to speak of his physical life as opposed to the Life Adam and Eve had before they sinned or as opposed the Life anyone may have had as a result of having received the Life that Jesus brought.

For all we know he was a very godly man. As to his death, he died in the year of the Flood: And all the days of Methuselah were nine hundred sixty and nine years: and he died.

1. Lamech was born when Methuselah was 187 years old.
2. Noah was born when Lamech was 182 years old.
3. So Methuselah was 369 years old when Noah was born.
4. Noah had his three sons when he was 500 years old.
5. So Methuselah was 869 years old when those three were born.
6. Noah was 600 years old when the Flood came upon the earth.
7. So Methuselah was 969 years old in the year of the Flood, and he died the same year.

Thank for your careful presentation of those things!

All the speculation about Methuselah is unnecessary and unedifying. He was Enoch's son, and since Enoch walked with God, it would seem that Methuselah followed in his steps. Therefore God took him before the Flood. Also there are 31 years to 1,000, so it was not even close to 1,000 years when he died.

Unnecessary and unedifying? Is that what you would call Bible studies and discussions about things in the scriptures which are to anyone fuzzy or blurry or dim or otherwise not clearly seen? Remember what Paul wrote here:

"For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known." I Cor 13:12

And consider also what is written here:

"And Jesus increased in wisdom and stature, and in favour with God and man." Luke 2:52

Are we not to be like Him? Is not growth a good and necessary thing for a child of God?

In any case, to clarify, I am not speculating about his behavior, but rather looking for support and/or edification with regard to the connection I have seen between his age at death, the flood of death and 1000 years. Without regard to his personality or his walk with God can we see types or shadows of other things in God's overall plan? I do believe so.

 

[David H.]

What happened to man? What happened to Methuselah, the man as per scripture who came closest to attaining to that apparent ideal of 1000 years of carnal life?

according to the book of Enoch and the book of Jasher, Methuselah was named a Priest on this earth, and remained righteous till the end along with Noah. These are extra biblical accounts so I do not confirm or deny the veracity of them.

 

[amadeus]

according to the book of Enoch and the book of Jasher, Methuselah was named a Priest on this earth, and remained righteous till the end along with Noah. These are extra biblical accounts so I do not confirm or deny the veracity of them.

Thank you. That provides me with other resources to check.

 

[Waiting on him]

I believe that Noah being on that ark had something to do with his relationship with God Genesis 6:9

 

[amadeus]

I believe that Noah being on that ark had something to do with his relationship with God Genesis 6:9

What do you mean? Please explain.

 

[Waiting on him]

What do you mean? Please explain.

He was a righteous man, which means he new Jesus.

 

[amadeus]

He was a righteous man, which means he new Jesus.

Do you mean Noah? If you meant Methuselah, why would you have drawn that conclusion? The Bible does not say that much about the grandfather of Noah other than what is already posted on this thread. Other sources apparently do say more. Please elaborate.

 

[Waiting on him]

Do you mean Noah? If you meant Methuselah, why would you have drawn that conclusion? The Bible does not say that much about the grandfather of Noah other than what is already posted on this thread. Other sources apparently do say more. Please elaborate.

I was referring to Noah.

 

[amadeus]

I was referring to Noah.

Thank you!

 

[Waiting on him]

Thank you!

Hebrew: מתוּשׁלח
Transliteration: methûshelach
Pronunciation: meth-oo-sheh'-lakh
Definition: From H4962 and H7973; man of a dart;
{Methushelach} an antediluvian patriarch: - Methuselah.
KJV Usage: Methuselah (6x).
Occurs: 6
In verses: 6
I wonder what this means,,,. Man of a dart?