born again is of the word of God

[David H.]

@theefaith Asked, these are my responses to him on the post that was locked about being born again, Which comes by the Word of God as per 1 Peter 1:23.

who do I receive it from?
How do I receive it?

Go to Jesus, Pray to Him, He will hear you, Go to the foot of the cross in repentance, and he will meet you there.

 

[amigo de christo]

Thats right my friend . POINT TO THE GLORIOUS LORD . Let all praise and thank the Lord .

 

[Robert Gwin]

@theefaith Asked, these are my responses to him on the post that was locked about being born again, Which comes by the Word of God as per 1 Peter 1:23.

who do I receive it from?
How do I receive it?

Go to Jesus, Pray to Him, He will hear you, Go to the foot of the cross in repentance, and he will meet you there.

Hi David, Born again is a Bible term of the new covenant, it is a special privilege for sure. Do you know why some Christians are born again sir?

 

[theefaith]

@theefaith Asked, these are my responses to him on the post that was locked about being born again, Which comes by the Word of God as per 1 Peter 1:23.

who do I receive it from?
How do I receive it?

Go to Jesus, Pray to Him, He will hear you, Go to the foot of the cross in repentance, and he will meet you there.

but he gave the life to the apostles, don’t we receive it from them physically in the Christian ritual of baptism?

how can you enter a convent by faith alone spiritually? Must be an outward sign like circumcision in the old covenant

 

[David H.]

but he gave the life to the apostles, don’t we receive it from them physically in the Christian ritual of baptism?

how can you enter a convent by faith alone spiritually? Must be an outward sign like circumcision in the old covenant

Baptism is from heaven as per Matthew 21:25, Not from men.

In The Baptist church Baptism is an outward sign of Being Born again, thus being Born again precedes Baptism. A Person can be born again and not Baptized. In Some Baptist churches it also determines membership in that Local Body. The Point being that Baptism is not what makes one Born again but is an outward sign of an inner conviction.

My Own view is that Baptism is more than Just what the Baptists believe, But that there is an imapartation of the Holy Ghost in Baptism which makes it essential to the Born again believer, Not a mere ritual or determination of membership in the Body. In the symbolism of dying with Christ and coming back to life we surrender to the Holy Ghost that he can do his work in us. Thus it begins the sanctifying process of the Holy Ghost in us.

 

[David H.]

Hi David, Born again is a Bible term of the new covenant, it is a special privilege for sure. Do you know why some Christians are born again sir?

All Christians are Born again. If not then they are not Christian, But just ones who acknowledge Christ with their mind, But do not Believe with their heart. This is why "Belief" and "believer" is a poor word to use for a Christian. The difference is like Knowing about someone, say your favorite Sports star, versus having an intimate relationship with that Sports star, where you can call him up and talk to him etc. There are are a lot church people who know Christ Jesus from a distance like this, they know about Him, and go to church and praise him but they do not know Him Intimately. In Fact the word KNOW in scripture used here is like the Old testament idiom for consumating a wedding, to express the relational aspect of Knowing Jesus that the Born again experiences. It is not just a mental agreement to facts but a life changing experience. That is the big problem with the "sinners prayer" of modern evangelicalism.

 

[theefaith]

Baptism is from heaven as per Matthew 21:25, Not from men.

In The Baptist church Baptism is an outward sign of Being Born again, thus being Born again precedes Baptism. A Person can be born again and not Baptized. In Some Baptist churches it also determines membership in that Local Body. The Point being that Baptism is not what makes one Born again but is an outward sign of an inner conviction.

My Own view is that Baptism is more than Just what the Baptists believe, But that there is an imapartation of the Holy Ghost in Baptism which makes it essential to the Born again believer, Not a mere ritual or determination of membership in the Body. In the symbolism of dying with Christ and coming back to life we surrender to the Holy Ghost that he can do his work in us. Thus it begins the sanctifying process of the Holy Ghost in us.

It is from heaven it is God who baptizes Ez 36:25-27

but by the ministry of the apostles

Context of Jn 3:5 “born again”

John1:26 John answered them, saying, I baptize with water: but there standeth one among you, whom ye know not; (John prepared the way by baptism)

John 2:6 And there were set there six waterpots of stone, after the manner of the purifying of the Jews, containing two or three firkins apiece. (Old covenant prefiguring of baptism, purification from sin)(His disciples believed because the ever Virgin mother of God interceded Jn 2:11)

John3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. (Baptism)

John 3:22 After these things came Jesus and his disciples into the land of Judaea; and there he tarried with them, and baptized. 23 And John also was baptizing in Aenon near to Salim, because there was much water there: and they came, and were baptized.(Baptism / water)

John 4:1 When therefore the Lord knew how the Pharisees had heard that Jesus made and baptized more disciples than John.

Born again means Baptismal regeneration!

the apostles have the ministry of reconciliation!

was the Baptist church founded by Christ? Matt 16:18
Does it have the promise of the HS to teach without error? Jn 16:13

 

[theefaith]

Baptist’s and Mennonite’s came out of the anabaptists or adult only baptism

opposing the ancient Christian practice of infant baptism as the scripture approves

acts 2:38-39

38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.

“this promise”

“This promise” (sacred oath of God or sacrament) of the Father acts 2:38-39 with reference to ez 36:25-27 Also a mystery Mk 4:11 Eph 5:32 eph 6:19 1 Tim 3:9 3:16 Col 1:27 2:2 4:3

Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.

Ez 36:25 Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you.

26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.

27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.

Jn 1:16 And of his fulness have all we received, and grace for grace.

17 For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.

 

[David H.]

Born again means Baptismal regeneration!

the apostles have the ministry of reconciliation!

was the Baptist church founded by Christ? Matt 16:18
Does it have the promise of the HS to teach without error? Jn 16:13

John3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. (Baptism)

I am not writing this here to defend the Baptist churches... I am in agreement with you that there is more to Baptism than the modern evangelical movement says there is. It is not just a mere ritual or sign of being Born again, but a part of the Born again believer moving from being a child of the faith to a mature believer. That being said, it is what comes after the live saving faith and not before, which was the reason for the Anabaptist movement in the first place.

Paul Show us this in Galatians....
For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. (Galatians 3:26-27)

Thus a Child of the faith needs to be baptized in order for that faith to blossom and grow. It is at Baptism as i wrote that the sanctification of the Holy Ghost in us begins, which why it is san essential doctrine of the faith and is part of the reason many faithful remain in a state of immaturity in Christ. So I, as you can see, I do not downplay Baptism.

You agree Baptism comes from heaven, But then You defend a church that infant baptizes. This makes no sense to me.... Now mind you I was also Baptized as an infant born into the Lutheran church. But I did not choose to be Baptized as an infant, as I had no cognitive ability to do so as an infant. Baptism like faith is received by the individual believer, not doled out by an authority figure. You, me nor any church is not the source of salvation, we are merely the vessel by which the Gospel is preached. It is the Holy Ghost that convicts and Salvation and Baptism come from heaven. To try and say that the Apostles, the church or me and you are intermediaries handing out salvation is the very essence of self aggrandizement of man as an intermediary between God and man. Jesus was quick to condemn this attitude in the apostles, not to justify it in them. It is by the grace of God and the forgiveness of the Blood of God that has Bought us that we can approach the Holy of Holies freely, all of us who are faithful, not just a select class of priests. The view that only a select class can is known as nicolaitanism.

 

[Robert Gwin]

All Christians are Born again. If not then they are not Christian, But just ones who acknowledge Christ with their mind, But do not Believe with their heart. This is why "Belief" and "believer" is a poor word to use for a Christian. The difference is like Knowing about someone, say your favorite Sports star, versus having an intimate relationship with that Sports star, where you can call him up and talk to him etc. There are are a lot church people who know Christ Jesus from a distance like this, they know about Him, and go to church and praise him but they do not know Him Intimately. In Fact the word KNOW in scripture used here is like the Old testament idiom for consumating a wedding, to express the relational aspect of Knowing Jesus that the Born again experiences. It is not just a mental agreement to facts but a life changing experience. That is the big problem with the "sinners prayer" of modern evangelicalism.

I understand that most people do not understand the term David. Jesus has sheep that are not of that fold sir, in fact most of his sheep are not baptized by holy spirit, the actual meaning of the term. We are all baptized by water however, including the little flock of born again Christians.

 

[David H.]

I understand that most people do not understand the term David. Jesus has sheep that are not of that fold sir, in fact most of his sheep are not baptized by holy spirit, the actual meaning of the term. We are all baptized by water however, including the little flock of born again Christians.

Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. Matthew 7:22-23

 

[Nancy]

Baptism is from heaven as per Matthew 21:25, Not from men.

In The Baptist church Baptism is an outward sign of Being Born again, thus being Born again precedes Baptism. A Person can be born again and not Baptized. In Some Baptist churches it also determines membership in that Local Body. The Point being that Baptism is not what makes one Born again but is an outward sign of an inner conviction.

My Own view is that Baptism is more than Just what the Baptists believe, But that there is an imapartation of the Holy Ghost in Baptism which makes it essential to the Born again believer, Not a mere ritual or determination of membership in the Body. In the symbolism of dying with Christ and coming back to life we surrender to the Holy Ghost that he can do his work in us. Thus it begins the sanctifying process of the Holy Ghost in us.

Hi David,
Good description of what baptism is. It is also a public declaration of ones faith and commitment to Him and, I agree...being born again precedes baptism.

 

[Robert Gwin]

Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. Matthew 7:22-23

Yes sir, we have and still see many powerful things false religion has done, but in quoting that verse, do you see where they were lacking Dave?

 

[David H.]

Yes sir, we have and still see many powerful things false religion has done, but in quoting that verse, do you see where they were lacking Dave?

Many see Jesus as a separate Lord from the Jehovah. Hence the "Lord, Lord". They do not Know Jesus Is the Lord almighty, and that There is one LORD.
Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ. For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. (Colossians 2:8-9)
And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory. (1 Timothy 3:16)
Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost. (1 Corinthians 12:3)

Can you say Jesus is the LORD?

 

[Robert Gwin]

Many see Jesus as a separate Lord from the Jehovah. Hence the "Lord, Lord". They do not Know Jesus Is the Lord almighty, and that There is one LORD.
Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ. For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. (Colossians 2:8-9)
And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory. (1 Timothy 3:16)
Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost. (1 Corinthians 12:3)

Can you say Jesus is the LORD?

No David I will not say that, you have been caught up in a deception scheme. Notice how you capitalized LORD? It takes very little research to find that to be an alteration by many translators. If you are using the King James Version of the Bible, everywhere that occurs was God's name Jehovah. Many are confused by this sir. A fantastic example to see the alteration is found at Ps 110:1. Blue letter Bible (online) gives you the original words. Jesus is Jehovah's son sir, His first creation and only creation done solely by Jehovah Himself with no assistance.

 

[David H.]

No David I will not say that, you have been caught up in a deception scheme. Notice how you capitalized LORD? It takes very little research to find that to be an alteration by many translators. If you are using the King James Version of the Bible, everywhere that occurs was God's name Jehovah. Many are confused by this sir. A fantastic example to see the alteration is found at Ps 110:1. Blue letter Bible (online) gives you the original words. Jesus is Jehovah's son sir, His first creation and only creation done solely by Jehovah Himself with no assistance.

You are a Jehovah's witness?
If so, It's time for you to stop following a man, and get to know the real Jesus.

 

[theefaith]

I understand that most people do not understand the term David. Jesus has sheep that are not of that fold sir, in fact most of his sheep are not baptized by holy spirit, the actual meaning of the term. We are all baptized by water however, including the little flock of born again Christians.

Christian baptism is of the most holy trinity
I baptize you in the name of the father and of the son and of the Holy Spirit!

 

[Robert Gwin]

Christian baptism is of the most holy trinity
I baptize you in the name of the father and of the son and of the Holy Spirit!

What is the name of the holy spirit?

Since you do not know, do you have an idea of what it means?

 

[theefaith]

What is the name of the holy spirit?

Since you do not know, do you have an idea of what it means?

you must be baptized to have justification

Matt 28:19-20 in the name of the father and of the son and of the Holy Spirit

that is the required form: the words
Matter: pure water
Intention: to justify to put on Christ and enter the new covenant church
Minister: a priest

can you be saved without a priest?

 

[Addy]

Good late morning to you @theefaith