The problem with the thousand years?

[Marty fox]

Please explain why you believe if the mark is physical, it can also exclude John 3:16?

The righteous saved wont be receiving it

Scripture clearly teaches once the mark is received or the image is worshipped, it's a sealed deal to the lake of fire Revelation 14:9-11

Because of this below

Matthew 12:31-33
31 And so I tell you, every kind of sin and slander can be forgiven, but blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven. 32 Anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but anyone who speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come.

Jesus wasn't talking about the mark of the beast

 

[Waiting on him]

Of course anyone can be right about something and wrong about another

I was looking last night at how many times Jesus explains, this generation. How is it that the pre trib rapture school get around this?

 

[Waiting on him]

Because of this below

Matthew 12:31-33
31 And so I tell you, every kind of sin and slander can be forgiven, but blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven. 32 Anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but anyone who speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come.

Jesus wasn't talking about the mark of the beast

So what age is it you believe we are in?

 

[bbyrd009]

@bbyrd009

There also this topic to consider for it comes under the same overall theme...
KJV Matthew 13:30
30 Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.

KJV Revelation 14:15-16
15 And another angel came out of the temple, crying with a loud voice to him that sat on the cloud, Thrust in thy sickle, and reap: for the time is come for thee to reap; for the harvest of the earth is ripe.
16 And he that sat on the cloud thrust in his sickle on the earth; and the earth was reaped.

KJV Matthew 25:31-33 (Jesus speaking...)
31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:
32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:
33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.

sure, not denying any of these ok, but i do suggest that there are other interpretations. For instance we are led to assume “future” for all of these, but there is no reason that they cannot be “now” either; the harvest is “now” right?

 

[Truth7t7]

Because of this below

Matthew 12:31-33
31 And so I tell you, every kind of sin and slander can be forgiven, but blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven. 32 Anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but anyone who speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come.

Jesus wasn't talking about the mark of the beast

How do you explain the scripture below, it clearly states those that receive the mark and worship the image are doomed to the lake of fire, with that big word "Shall" being used?

Revelation 14:9-11KJV
9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,
10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:
11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.

 

[Truth7t7]

I was looking last night at how many times Jesus explains, this generation. How is it that the pre trib rapture school get around this?

I'm not pre-trib, but the scripture is very clear regarding interpretation of (This Generation)

The entire chapter of Matthew 24 is devoted to showing signs of the second coming of Jesus Christ

The scripture below clearly teaches the "Future" generation that will witness the signs and events (When Ye Shall See All These Things, Know That It Is Near)

1.) What Is Near, (The Second Coming)"Future Unfulfilled"

2.) This Generation? The Future Generation That Will Be Eyewitnesses Of The Signs And (Second Coming)

3.) What is the day and hour that no man knows? (The Second Coming)"Future Unfulfilled"

Matthew 24:32-36KJV
32 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:
33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.
34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.
35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.
36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.

 

[Truth7t7]

Of course anyone can be right about something and wrong about another

Mormonism's Joseph Smith was right in many things he said, but wrong in the majority, am I going to follow his teachings?

Big Head Shake, Smile

In Love, Jesus Is The Lord

 

[Waiting on him]

Ezekiel 21:31 KJV
[31] And I will pour out mine indignation upon thee, I will blow against thee in the fire of my wrath, and deliver thee into the hand of brutish men, and skilful to destroy.
Here we see that Jesus is using an army of men to accomplish the fire of His wrath His indignation.

 

[Waiting on him]

I'm not pre-trib, but the scripture is very clear regarding interpretation of (This Generation)

The entire chapter of Matthew 24 is devoted to showing signs of the second coming of Jesus Christ

The scripture below clearly teaches the "Future" generation that will witness the signs and events (When Ye Shall See All These Things, Know That It Is Near)

1.) What Is Near, (The Second Coming)"Future Unfulfilled"

2.) This Generation? The Future Generation That Will Be Eyewitnesses Of The Signs And (Second Coming)

3.) What is the day and hour that no man knows? (The Second Coming)"Future Unfulfilled"

Matthew 24:32-36KJV
32 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:
33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.
34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.
35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.
36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.

Scripture makes it very clear at the beginning of this chapter that Jesus is having a private conversation with His disciples.
I don’t see how it could be any clearer.

 

[Truth7t7]

Scripture makes it very clear at the beginning of this chapter that Jesus is having a private conversation with His disciples.
I don’t see how it could be any clearer.

Scripture is very clear, that it pertains to the literal future (Second Coming) and this wasn't fulfilled in the 66-70AD Roman destruction of Jerusalem

The entire chapter of Matthew 24 is devoted to showing signs of the second coming of Jesus Christ

The scripture below clearly teaches the "Future" generation that will witness the signs and events (When Ye Shall See All These Things, Know That It Is Near)

1.) What Is Near, (The Second Coming)"Future Unfulfilled"

2.) This Generation? The Future Generation That Will Be Eyewitnesses Of The Signs And (Second Coming)

3.) What is the day and hour that no man knows? (The Second Coming)"Future Unfulfilled"

Matthew 24:32-36KJV
32 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:
33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.
34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.
35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.
36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.

 

[Marty fox]

How do you explain the scripture below, it clearly states those that receive the mark and worship the image are doomed to the lake of fire, with that big word "Shall" being used?

Revelation 14:9-11KJV
9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,
10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:
11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.

Please listen to what I say because I have stated it many times already an I think that I am bring misunderstood.

I totally agree with the verses above no question there but my point is that the mark must be what Jesus mentioned in the verses that you quoted as that is the only unforgivable sin. Its constant blasphemy of the Holy Spirit by constant rejection of the Holy Spirit and the ones with the mark do that as they must have a constant unrepentant devotion to the beast.

If its not that then John 3:16 can't stand if it is that then John 3:16 can stand.

Its not about if they repent or not its can they repent or not

 

[Marty fox]

So what age is it you believe we are in?

The age of grace

 

[Marty fox]

I was looking last night at how many times Jesus explains, this generation. How is it that the pre trib rapture school get around this?

I was looking last night at how many times Jesus explains, this generation. How is it that the pre trib rapture school get around this?

I did a study in Matthew on all of the times Jesus mentioned this generation outside of chapter 24 and every time He did He was talking about the generation which He was living in. Thus Jesus was also mentioning the generation He was living in in chapter 24 also.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

The sheep/goats is nothing more than a "Parable" of the final great white throne, Matthew 25:46 shows final judgement to eternal life and eternal punishment (The End)

then explain the parable. Here is the passage:

Matthew 25:
31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:

32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:

33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.

34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:

35 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:

36 Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.

37 Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?

38 When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee?

39 Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?

40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.

41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

42 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:

43 I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.

44 Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?

45 Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.

46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

Seeing as you reject this as a literal event when the Lord returns- what is yoru reinterpretation of this passage.

To me it is very straightforward, clear and unambiguous as is.

I await your hidden wisdom

 

[Waiting on him]

I did a study in Matthew on all of the times Jesus mentioned this generation outside of chapter 24 and every time He did He was talking about the generation which He was living in. Thus Jesus was also mentioning the generation He was living in in chapter 24 also.

Yeah, you’d think with all the pronouns given in that chapter even Ray Charles could see it ?

 

[Waiting on him]

Matthew 24:3 KJV
[3] And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?
Mark 13:3 KJV
[3] And as he sat upon the mount of Olives over against the temple, Peter and James and John and Andrew asked him privately,

 

[Waiting on him]

Nothing in my opinion is wasted in all of scripture, every word has great significance.

 

[Waiting on him]

Matthew 24:15 KJV
[15] When ye, Peter, James, John, Andrew. therefore shall see the abomination of desolation

 

[Waiting on him]

How can anyone in there right mind place themselves in this scripture written almost 2000 years ago.

 

[Waiting on him]

Matthew 2:8 KJV
[8] And he sent them to Bethlehem, and said, Go and search diligently for the young child; and when ye have found him, bring me word again, that I may come and worship him also.
By this school of thought the Ye in the verse above is Herod commanding you to go find the infant Jesus. Can anyone else see how crazy this thought pattern is?

 

[Truth7t7]

Please listen to what I say because I have stated it many times already an I think that I am bring misunderstood.

I totally agree with the verses above no question there but my point is that the mark must be what Jesus mentioned in the verses that you quoted as that is the only unforgivable sin. Its constant blasphemy of the Holy Spirit by constant rejection of the Holy Spirit and the ones with the mark do that as they must have a constant unrepentant devotion to the beast.

If its not that then John 3:16 can't stand if it is that then John 3:16 can stand.

Its not about if they repent or not its can they repent or not

I don't believe they can repent and be saved, they're vessels made for destruction

2 Thessalonians 2:11-12KJV
11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

Romans 9:20-23KJV
20 Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus?
21 Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?
22 What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:
23 And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory,