Preterism's Claim Of 70AD Fulfillment Is Silenced In One Verse, Luke 21:35

[Waiting on him]

Matthew 15:24 KJV
[24] But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

 

[Truth7t7]

Matthew 15:24 KJV
[24] But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

More cryptic riddles without a claim made, I sent an APB out to have mind readers respond

 

[Waiting on him]

More cryptic riddles without a claim made, I sent an APB out to have mind readers respond

You can’t cherry pick scriptures, and chose to believe Christ is speaking to you when it’s blatantly obvious that He was speaking to the Jews only.

 

[farouk]

You can’t cherry pick scriptures, and chose to believe Christ is speaking to you when it’s blatantly obvious that He was speaking to the Jews only.

Hi @Waiting on him I think that in any case the interpretational implications of the fact of the three groups of people (Jews, Gentiles and the church of God) in 1 Corinthians 10.32 are significant.

 

[Truth7t7]

You can’t cherry pick scriptures, and chose to believe Christ is speaking to you when it’s blatantly obvious that He was speaking to the Jews only.

Dont have a clue of any scripture you claim was to Jews only, and how it pertains to the topic, more cryptic riddles

How does the scripture below pertain to the topic, mind readers help

Matthew 15:24 KJV
[24] But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

 

[Marty fox]

Your claim I didn't answer your question is false, it was answered and you dont like the answer

There is one future coming of Jesus Christ, seen "Several Times" throughout the scripture, with multiple different descriptions of this same event

Your suggestion that because fire isnt seen in Matthew 24:30 it dosent pertain to my post showing multiple verses regarding fire at the Lords return is in error

Marty you deny that Jesus is seen literally in the clouds below, and you deny literal human eyes on earth are watching (Fact) stop the song and dance

In Love, Jesus Is The Lord

Matthew 24:30KJV
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

Yet I still don’t know the answer so okay I’ll give you one more chance please fill in the dots below

What the Pharisees meant by the words “whole world” in John 12:19 is……………………………………………….

I’m only pushing this because you based this whole thread on the term “whole world”

 

[stunnedbygrace]

It's your freewill to believe as you desire, nobody is seeking your life regarding your belief

Preterism is a teaching in error, Daniel's AOD, The Great Tribulation, and Second Coming are future events unfulfilled

Preterism was implemented in the 1600's by the Roman Catholic church through Luis del Alcázar (Ludovicus ab Alcasar, Louis of Alcazar) (1554–1613) was a Spanish Jesuit theologian during the reformation, to dispel the teaching that the Pope was the Antichrist

70AD fulfillment in the various teachings such as Vespasian, Titus, Caesar, or Nero being the Antichrist removed the stigma from the pope, thus Preterism was born

Dispensationalism teachings are in error, there is no pre-trib rapture, nor are there (Two Peoples Of God) in (Dual Covenant Theology)

There will be no Millennial Kingdom On This Earth

It’s a little strange to me that you can’t believe others could think a verse or verses isn’t literal when it looks to me like you don’t think the reigning for 1000 years is literal. Why isn’t that defended as literal by you as strongly as other prophetic verses having to be literal?

Not that anyone asked but that’s never stopped me before, lol…I think all prophecy will happen literally. Jesus really DID come from 3 different places by the time it all played out.

 

[Marty fox]

It’s a little strange to me that you can’t believe others could think a verse or verses isn’t literal when it looks to me like you don’t think the reigning for 1000 years is literal. Why isn’t that defended as literal by you as strongly as other prophetic verses having to be literal?

Well said it’s cherry picking

 

[stunnedbygrace]

Oh…no one said there would be pie!

 

[Truth7t7]

I’m only pushing this because you based this whole thread on the term “whole world”

Your claim is false, the thread is based upon Luke 21:35 and the words (All Them That Dwell On The Face Of The Whole Earth)

Your claims of John 12:19 and the word "World" has no relationship to Luke 21:35 below "None"

(The Face Of The Whole Earth) is defined in Genesis 8:9 below and you know this, and you rebel against its truth, it's that simple

The event of Luke 21:35 is future, and will come upon the entire earth, and this didnt take place in 70AD Jerusalem as many claim

Luke 21:35KJV
35 For as a snare shall it come on all them that dwell on the face of the whole earth.

Genesis 7:4KJV
4 For yet seven days, and I will cause it to rain upon the earth forty days and forty nights; and every living substance that I have made will I destroy from off the face of the earth.

Genesis 8:9KJV
9 But the dove found no rest for the sole of her foot, and she returned unto him into the ark, for the waters were on the face of the whole earth: then he put forth his hand, and took her, and pulled her in unto him into the ark.

 

[Truth7t7]

It’s a little strange to me that you can’t believe others could think a verse or verses isn’t literal when it looks to me like you don’t think the reigning for 1000 years is literal. Why isn’t that defended as literal by you as strongly as other prophetic verses having to be literal?

Not that anyone asked but that’s never stopped me before, lol…I think all prophecy will happen literally. Jesus really DID come from 3 different places by the time it all played out.

Thanks for the question, and my response given below, Jesus Is The Lord

Revelation 20:1-6 Isnt A Millennial Kingdom On This Earth, Dont Be Deceived

Can you find the things claimed by those teaching a Literal 1,000 year Millennial Kingdom On This Earth in Revelation 20:1-6 below?

1.) Physical Earthly Kingdom?
2.) Physical Earthly Throne?
3.) Physical Mortal Humans?

The Above Claims (Don't Exist)

Revelation 20:1-6 Is 100% In The Lords (Spiritual) Angel, Heaven, Devil, Satan, The Souls, The Dead, God, Christ

100% Spiritual Realm, No "Literal" Time

2 Peter 3:8KJV
8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

Revelation 20:1-6KJV
1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

 

[stunnedbygrace]

Thanks for the question, and my response given below, Jesus Is The Lord

Revelation 20:1-6 Isnt A Millennial Kingdom On This Earth, Dont Be Deceived

Can you find the things claimed by those teaching a Literal 1,000 year Millennial Kingdom On This Earth in Revelation 20:1-6 below?

1.) Physical Earthly Kingdom?
2.) Physical Earthly Throne?
3.) Physical Mortal Humans?

The Above Claims (Don't Exist)

Revelation 20:1-6 Is 100% In The Lords (Spiritual) Angel, Heaven, Devil, Satan, The Souls, The Dead, God, Christ

100% Spiritual Realm, No "Literal" Time

2 Peter 3:8KJV
8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

Revelation 20:1-6KJV
1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

well…no, not in Revelation 20, but elsewhere I recall reading that men will outlive the work of their hands, like…houses, I assume? and there will still be disputes but no war because Jesus will settle the disputes and there will still be some death during this period but if a man dies at 100 he will be thought young. And it says children will no longer die in infancy and…that’s all I remember off the top of my head.
It makes you sigh when you read it, like…you so want that time to come, but, even though it sounds way more wonderful than now, it’s still not heaven yet, because there will still be death, and disputing, albeit without war, which sounds pretty wonderful.

 

[Truth7t7]

well…no, not in Revelation 20, but elsewhere I recall reading that men will outlive the work of their hands, like…houses, I assume? and there will still be disputes but no war because Jesus will settle the disputes and there will still be some death during this period but if a man dies at 100 he will be thought young. And it says children will no longer die in infancy and…that’s all I remember off the top of my head.
It makes you sigh when you read it, like…you so want that time to come, but, even though it sounds way more wonderful than now, it’s still not heaven yet, because there will still be death, and disputing, albeit without war, which sounds pretty wonderful.

Thanks for the response, I look forward to your next question

The scripture you identify is seen below, and it tells you directly, it's in the New Heaven And Earth, No Guesswork

Verse 20 below describes the eternal, as the infant and old will be the same, dying 100 year old isnt literal as you suggest

If you have a problem understanding the reading, refer back to verse 17 that states

(For, Behold I Create New Heavens And A New Earth)

Isaiah 65:17-25KJV
17 For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.
18 But be ye glad and rejoice for ever in that which I create: for, behold, I create Jerusalem a rejoicing, and her people a joy.
19 And I will rejoice in Jerusalem, and joy in my people: and the voice of weeping shall be no more heard in her, nor the voice of crying.
20 There shall be no more thence an infant of days, nor an old man that hath not filled his days: for the child shall die an hundred years old; but the sinner being an hundred years old shall be accursed.
21 And they shall build houses, and inhabit them; and they shall plant vineyards, and eat the fruit of them.
22 They shall not build, and another inhabit; they shall not plant, and another eat: for as the days of a tree are the days of my people, and mine elect shall long enjoy the work of their hands.
23 They shall not labour in vain, nor bring forth for trouble; for they are the seed of the blessed of the Lord, and their offspring with them.
24 And it shall come to pass, that before they call, I will answer; and while they are yet speaking, I will hear.
25 The wolf and the lamb shall feed together, and the lion shall eat straw like the bullock: and dust shall be the serpent's meat. They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain, saith the Lord.

Revelation 21:1-5 below would be a "Parallel" teaching of Isaiah 65:17-20

Revelation 21:1-5KJV
1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.

 

[Waiting on him]

Hi @Waiting on him I think that in any case the interpretational implications of the fact of the three groups of people (Jews, Gentiles and the church of God) in 1 Corinthians 10.32 are significant.

In your opinion what is Paul speaking of here?
1 Corinthians 10:11 KJV
[11] Now all these things happened unto them for ensamples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come.

whom has the end of the world come upon?

 

[farouk]

In your opinion what is Paul speaking of here?
1 Corinthians 10:11 KJV
[11] Now all these things happened unto them for ensamples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come.

@Waiting on him Something like, We are privileged and full of responsibility to act in the light of the lessons of Divine revelation and history. (Something like that? )

 

[Truth7t7]

In your opinion what is Paul speaking of here?
1 Corinthians 10:11 KJV
[11] Now all these things happened unto them for ensamples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come.

whom has the end of the world come upon?

The context of the scripture clearly teaches the interpretation of "Ends Of The World Are Come" it refers to those evil mentioned in the scripture below, "Their World Came To An End" and they are examples to the living, it's that simple

1 Corinthians 10:6-
6 Now these things were our examples, to the intent we should not lust after evil things, as they also lusted.
7 Neither be ye idolaters, as were some of them; as it is written, The people sat down to eat and drink, and rose up to play.
8 Neither let us commit fornication, as some of them committed, and fell in one day three and twenty thousand.
9 Neither let us tempt Christ, as some of them also tempted, and were destroyed of serpents.
10 Neither murmur ye, as some of them also murmured, and were destroyed of the destroyer.
11 Now all these things happened unto them for examples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come.
12 Wherefore let him that thinketh he standeth take heed lest he fall.

 

[Marty fox]

Your claim is false, the thread is based upon Luke 21:35 and the words (All Them That Dwell On The Face Of The Whole Earth)

Your claims of John 12:19 and the word "World" has no relationship to Luke 21:35 below "None"

(The Face Of The Whole Earth) is defined in Genesis 8:9 below and you know this, and you rebel against its truth, it's that simple

The event of Luke 21:35 is future, and will come upon the entire earth, and this didnt take place in 70AD Jerusalem as many claim

Luke 21:35KJV
35 For as a snare shall it come on all them that dwell on the face of the whole earth.

Genesis 7:4KJV
4 For yet seven days, and I will cause it to rain upon the earth forty days and forty nights; and every living substance that I have made will I destroy from off the face of the earth.

Genesis 8:9KJV
9 But the dove found no rest for the sole of her foot, and she returned unto him into the ark, for the waters were on the face of the whole earth: then he put forth his hand, and took her, and pulled her in unto him into the ark.

And once again you avoided answering the question

 

[Truth7t7]

And once again you avoided answering the question

Your question has been answered below, and it dispels your claims made in post #7 as quoted below

Quote, Marty Fox Post #7
"So what do you think the Pharisees meant in John 12:19?"

Once Again

God's words below are very clear, just as the waters covered "The Face Of The Whole Earth) the snare will come upon the same

Teaching that Luke 21:35 is (Biblical Slang) and the snare was local to Jerusalem in 70AD, is in opposition to the truth of scripture before your eyes

Your claims of John 12:19 and the word "World" has no relationship to Luke 21:35 below "None"

(The Face Of The Whole Earth) is defined in Genesis 8:9 below and you know this, and you rebel against its truth, it's that simple

The event of Luke 21:35 is future, and will come upon the entire earth, and this didnt take place in 70AD Jerusalem as many claim

Luke 21:35KJV
35 For as a snare shall it come on all them that dwell on the face of the whole earth.

Genesis 7:4KJV
4 For yet seven days, and I will cause it to rain upon the earth forty days and forty nights; and every living substance that I have made will I destroy from off the face of the earth.

Genesis 8:9KJV
9 But the dove found no rest for the sole of her foot, and she returned unto him into the ark, for the waters were on the face of the whole earth: then he put forth his hand, and took her, and pulled her in unto him into the ark.

 

[stunnedbygrace]

Thanks for the response, I look forward to your next question

The scripture you identify is seen below, and it tells you directly, it's in the New Heaven And Earth, No Guesswork

Verse 20 below describes the eternal, as the infant and old will be the same, dying 100 year old isnt literal as you suggest

If you have a problem understanding the reading, refer back to verse 17 that states

(For, Behold I Create New Heavens And A New Earth)

Isaiah 65:17-25KJV
17 For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.
18 But be ye glad and rejoice for ever in that which I create: for, behold, I create Jerusalem a rejoicing, and her people a joy.
19 And I will rejoice in Jerusalem, and joy in my people: and the voice of weeping shall be no more heard in her, nor the voice of crying.
20 There shall be no more thence an infant of days, nor an old man that hath not filled his days: for the child shall die an hundred years old; but the sinner being an hundred years old shall be accursed.
21 And they shall build houses, and inhabit them; and they shall plant vineyards, and eat the fruit of them.
22 They shall not build, and another inhabit; they shall not plant, and another eat: for as the days of a tree are the days of my people, and mine elect shall long enjoy the work of their hands.
23 They shall not labour in vain, nor bring forth for trouble; for they are the seed of the blessed of the Lord, and their offspring with them.
24 And it shall come to pass, that before they call, I will answer; and while they are yet speaking, I will hear.
25 The wolf and the lamb shall feed together, and the lion shall eat straw like the bullock: and dust shall be the serpent's meat. They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain, saith the Lord.

Revelation 21:1-5 below would be a "Parallel" teaching of Isaiah 65:17-20

Revelation 21:1-5KJV
1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.

So in the new heaven and earth, there will still be death?

 

[Waiting on him]

And once again you avoided answering the question

It’s like trying to nail jello to the wall.