Do you accept this a Biblical fact or fiction?:

[Ronald Nolette]

The word we doesn't necessarily mean that there had to be two other persons that YHWH was talking to when he said, let us make man in our image. It's very reasonable that YHWH was talking to his Only Begotten Son, when he said that.

Except you believe Jesus is Michael the arch angel so in essence you are saying man was made in the image of God and the image of angels! Jesus did not become Gods only begotten son until the Holy Spirit impregnated Mary!

 

[Ronald Nolette]

A non-responsive reply. Language usage: If someone says Liberace’s pool is in the form of a piano, it doesn’t make it a piano. It is a non-piano in the form of a piano.

This is how language is used.

Except this word form is morphe and means appearance and "nature" of the object seen. So a more exacting translation of Phil 2:6:

6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: Would be:

Who being in the very shape and appearance and structure of God!

And in Isaiah god said He would not give His glory to anyone. But yet jesus in this passage would have that glory! Whatever God "looked" like, Jesus looked the same.

Thgat is basic language 101.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Precious friends, we unlearned and ignorant simpletons will have to pass on this rabbit hole of linguistic/grammatical scholarship, or we will Never Get Above water, so to speak NOWHERE in God's Scripture Does It Say what you suggest here, is for our learning And understanding Of God's Word. Going back to the simple suggestion I have already posted in #148

Hope to see you In God's Great GloryLand! I'll probably "be a LOT smarter," THERE, eh?

Well As the bible is not a grammar book, if we wish to become adept at properly handling the Word of God, we must become knowledgable at how words are used. Otherwise we get cults like the JW's and people like wrangler denying the deity of Christ and putting their eternity in peril.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

It is very hard for those who die in this system to be lost forever sir. The only ones who have no forgiveness is those whom Jesus said sins against the holy spirit. We understand that to mean someone who knows God well and works against His purposes, like Judas for example, or Adam would qualify as well. satan of course is the prime example. Very few will get this judgment however as very few actually know God intimately. Heck most who are here think Jesus is God as an example.

Well you do not know well then what the Blasphemy of the spirit is.

And the historical account of Lazarus and the rich man clearly shows that once we die, there is no repentance or a second chance. Even Hebrews declares this: It is appointed for a man to die once- then comes their judgment.

Most Here think Jesus is God, because He is! He is not His Father, but is equally divine as His Father.

 

[farouk]

Well you do not know well then what the Blasphemy of the spirit is.

And the historical account of Lazarus and the rich man clearly shows that once we die, there is no repentance or a second chance. Even Hebrews declares this: It is appointed for a man to die once- then comes their judgment.

Most Here think Jesus is God, because He is! He is not His Father, but is equally divine as His Father.

@Ronald Nolette There is a 'great gulf fixed'...

 

[BARNEY BRIGHT]

You are my son, this day I have begotten you. What day was that?

Much love!

Except you believe Jesus is Michael the arch angel so in essence you are saying man was made in the image of God and the image of angels! Jesus did not become Gods only begotten son until the Holy Spirit impregnated Mary![/QUOTE\]

When God said, "let us make man in our image" he was talking to his Only Begotten Son who he had created in his image so since the image of his Only Begotten Son is in the image of God we are created in the image of God.
I see no wrong in asking questions, Like why is Jesus commanding call likened to the archangel voice at 1 Thessalonians 4:16. This scripture shows Jesus descending from heaven with “a commanding call.” It is only logical, therefore, that the voice expressing this "commanding call" be described by a word that would not diminish or detract from the great authority that Christ Jesus now has as King of kings and Lord of lords. Matthew 28:18; Revelation 17:14. So it seems reasonable to me that the term “archangel” applies to Jesus Christ, because if it applies not to Jesus but to another angel then that would be saying that an angel has equal authority with Jesus. The scriptures show clearly that only Jesus has the keys to Hades and death, no one, other than Jesus Father and God, has more authority to Jesus, and Jesus Father and God, has made everything and everyone else subject to Jesus authority, no one has equal authority with him.
We find only in a couple of places in the scriptures that the archangel is spoken about. Some things we find out in these scriptures where the term, archangel is used is that it's always in the singular. This seems to imply that there is but one whom God has designated chief, or head, of the angelic host. The scriptures also show that Michael is the name of this Archangel. The name Michael means, " "who is like God." At Daniel chapter 10 Michael is described as “one of the foremost princes”; he came to the aid of a lesser angel who was opposed by “the prince of the royal realm of Persia.” Michael was called “the prince of Daniels people,” “the great prince who is standing in behalf of the sons of Daniels people.” Daniel 10:13,20,21; 12:1.This points to Michael as the angel who led the Israelites through the wilderness. Exodus 23:20,21,23; 32:34; 33:2. Support of this conclusion is the fact that “Michael the archangel had a difference with the Devil and was disputing about Moses’ body.” Jude 9.

Daniel, after making the first reference to Michael at Daniel 10:13, recorded a prophecy reaching down to “the time of the end” at Daniel 11:40, and then stated at Daniel 12:1 “And during that time Michael will stand up, the great prince who is standing in behalf of the sons of Daniel’s people.” Michael’s ‘standing up’ was to be associated with “a time of distress such as has not been made to occur since there came to be a nation until that time.” In Daniel’s prophecy, ‘standing up’ frequently refers to the action of a king, either taking up his royal power or acting effectively in his capacity as king. Daniel 11:2-4, 7, 16b, 20-21. This kind of biblical evidence supports the conclusion that Michael is Jesus Christ, since Jesus is Jehovah’s appointed King, commissioned to destroy all the nations at Armageddon. Revelation 11:15;
16:14-16.

 

[Robert Gwin]

never have - post it


I know about the 144,000 and what it's meaning is according to Scripture - Jesus encoded Revelation that can only be decoded by the entirety of Scripture and the Holy Spirit.

This is how you endure to the end - He who began a Good Work in you shall complete it to the End.

being confident of this very thing, that He who has begun a good work in you will complete it until the day of Jesus Christ Phil 1:6

NOT of works less anyone should boast = false teachings of Watchtower

What is false that the Watchtower teaches David?

 

[Robert Gwin]

Why did you start out with the words, 'no sir', and then effectively go on to agree with the essence of my statement?

This statement right here Amadaeus: For some at times it could be through this forum. Seeds get planted here and it is quite feasible that something someone reads on a forum might spark one's interest, but of course I am sure you would agree that no one can approach God through this forum, that is why I said that. Understanding your meaning now, I would quite imagine that some have definitely been moved to become Christians by something they read here, at least I certainly hope so, that I why I post here, if there wasn't a possibility, what would be the point?

Sorry for the misunderstanding, initially I thought I was a moron as I had to read it 3 times again before I saw why I said the no sir

 

[Robert Gwin]

Here is the Name of God for ALL Eternity

Then Moses asked God, “Suppose I go to the Israelites and say to them, ‘The God of your fathers has sent me to you,’ and they ask me, ‘What is His name?’ What should I tell them?” God said to Moses, “I AM WHO I AM. This is what you are to say to the Israelites: ‘I AM has sent me to you.’ ” God (Elohim) also told Moses, “Say to the Israelites, ‘The LORD, the Elohim of your fathers—the Elohim of Abraham, the Elohim of Isaac, and the Elohim of Jacob—has sent me to you.’ This is My name forever, and this is how I am to be remembered in every generation.

Elohim Father Elohim Son Elohim Holy Spirit = this is His Name FOREVER

If you reject this commandment from the Jehovah, then you will not be able to fully comprehend the Scripture in it's FULLNESS.

No worry, Jehovah made it simple for those He draws unto Himself.
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

He was in the world, and the world was made through Him, and the world did not know Him. He came to His own, and His own did not receive Him. But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, to those who believe in His name: who were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth.

Jehovah came to earth and became flesh - the only begotten of the Father.

I am the Lord, that is My name;
And My glory I will not give to another,
For I am the Lord your God,
The Holy One of Israel, your Savior; - Isaiah 42

You are My witnesses,” says the Jehovah - Isaiah 43

And He said to them, “It is not for you to know times or seasons which the Father has put in His own authority. 8But you shall receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you; and you shall be witnesses to Me in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the end of the earth.”

You are My witnesses,” says the Jehovah/Jesus - Isaiah 43 SAME as Acts 1

I Jehovah will have no gods before Me...........

I AM is not God's name David, let me ask you point blank why you said it was rather than giving the name that Jehovah actually did give as being His name?

 

[Robert Gwin]

Well you do not know well then what the Blasphemy of the spirit is.

And the historical account of Lazarus and the rich man clearly shows that once we die, there is no repentance or a second chance. Even Hebrews declares this: It is appointed for a man to die once- then comes their judgment.

Most Here think Jesus is God, because He is! He is not His Father, but is equally divine as His Father.

See what I am saying Ron? Again I ask you what hope do we have if our God is a liar? Mk 10:40, 13:32 Please answer the question sir.

Actually the truth is that Jesus' God Jehovah is actually God, and He doesn't lie Ron, as Jesus stated He alone at that time knew the day and hour, now I will admit, it is quite possible that Jesus does now as well, and since he has been given all authority, by Jehovah I might add, then logically he can choose who sits at his right and left.

I might also note that the rich man and Lazarus is a parable that represents something quite different than you suggest.

 

[Wrangler]

Well the bible refutes that lie absolutely.

LOL. Trinitarians cannot accept the trinity is not in the Bible - not the word and not the doctrine. ‘For us, there is one God, the Father.’ 1 Corinthians 8:6. A stronger anti-trinitarian statement is hard to imagine.

 

[Wrangler]

Except this word form is morphe and means appearance and "nature" of the object seen.

Of course you have to invoke a contradiction. If a lion is coming toward us, one does not have to say a creature in the form of a lion.

Such twisted thinking has to be used to rationalize what is not there. Nowhere does Scripture say Jesus is God incarnate.

 

[Wrangler]

thought it not robbery to be equal with God

Another abuse of language, TWISTED NOT’s.

Scripture says NOT and you read ‘is equal to God’ and then ‘is God.’

 

[amadeus]

This statement right here Amadaeus: For some at times it could be through this forum. Seeds get planted here and it is quite feasible that something someone reads on a forum might spark one's interest, but of course I am sure you would agree that no one can approach God through this forum, that is why I said that. Understanding your meaning now, I would quite imagine that some have definitely been moved to become Christians by something they read here, at least I certainly hope so, that I why I post here, if there wasn't a possibility, what would be the point?

Sorry for the misunderstanding, initially I thought I was a moron as I had to read it 3 times again before I saw why I said the no sir

It is certainly not the forum itself that moves anyone toward God, but God certainly does uses individuals to attract other individual to Him. Sometimes the place of attraction is in this particular place. Sometimes the person being used of God to accomplish His purpose is being used when he is here posting on this forum.

What places are special places? Any place where people are surrendering to and following God are in that moment of surrender special. But when the people are all gone from the place what special thing is there?

 

[farouk]

What do you think about the interpretation of Emmanuel in Matthew 1:23?

@1stCenturyLady "God with us"....right?

 

[farouk]

Another abuse of language, TWISTED NOT’s.

Scripture says NOT and you read ‘is equal to God’ and then ‘is God.’

The Lord Jesus is indeed equal with God, indicating He is divine.

 

[marks]

You don’t have your facts straight.

Looking at this passage:

Genesis 19:24-25 KJV
24) Then the LORD rained upon Sodom and upon Gomorrah brimstone and fire from the LORD out of heaven;
25) And he overthrew those cities, and all the plain, and all the inhabitants of the cities, and that which grew upon the ground.

Much love!

 

[marks]

What I am saying is that I am posting my posts in Bible study forum. That means that if it is in the Bible, it is acceptable to post. You may or may not agree with this, it is your choice. I will say again, I appreciate this site, as it is one of the few, if not the only one who claims to be a Christian site that allows one to actually post what the Bible really teaches. Be very thankful for that sir, and stop making insinuations so that you too will have open access for stating your opinions. By making accusatory posts you may very well get restrictions imposed that may not only affect others but yourself as well.

Keep in mind God allows people at this time to serve the God they choose to serve, so like the song says, if you don't give a heck about the man with the Bible in his hand, then get out the way and let the gentleman do his thing. Savvy?

An utter denial. I wasn't actually expecting that, more a justification to proceed regardless of the board rules. But you deny it even says that. OK. That fits.

The board rules prohibit members crusading against Trinitarian doctrine. You don't care, and deny that it's even so. And then make it about me. So typical!

And you threaten me. You reveal yourself in your words. Everyone does.

Much love!

 

[Ronald Nolette]

See what I am saying Ron? Again I ask you what hope do we have if our God is a liar? Mk 10:40, 13:32 Please answer the question sir.

Actually the truth is that Jesus' God Jehovah is actually God, and He doesn't lie Ron, as Jesus stated He alone at that time knew the day and hour, now I will admit, it is quite possible that Jesus does now as well, and since he has been given all authority, by Jehovah I might add, then logically he can choose who sits at his right and left.

I might also note that the rich man and Lazarus is a parable that represents something quite different than you suggest.

Well if God lies we have no hope and He doesn't.

but Jesus is also Jehovah as Isaiah 44 says.

Once again the true god is Elohim (plural)
Once again teh true God is Adonai(plural)

Once again pay attention to the shema

Deuteronomy 6:4
King James Version

4 Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord:

This is a very curious statement for God to say. Why would He have to say He is only one ? And why did He use the ordinal Yachid instead of the cardinal echad?

Why is jesus called jehovah in Isaih 44.

why is jehovah and Jesus both called the first and last
Why are Jehovah and Jesus both called almighty
Why is Jesus called god in john
Why is Jesus declared equal to God in John
Why did Paul say Jesus existed prior to His incarnation in the form of God if he was just an angel.
Why did god say let us mak man in OUR image and then in the next verse it says man is made in the image of Elohim (plural)

See I have no problem recognizing that God the Father is above the Son. None at all.

where you have the problem is that you reject the bible teaching that Jesus is equally divine as His Father!

God is used to describe a "person" and also used to describe a "nature" or essence. until you can accept that you will always look at the bible through the eyes of Watchtower lies.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

LOL. Trinitarians cannot accept the trinity is not in the Bible - not the word and not the doctrine. ‘For us, there is one God, the Father.’ 1 Corinthians 8:6. A stronger anti-trinitarian statement is hard to imagine.

I accept the word trinity appears no where in the bible.

what you cannot accpet like the Watchtower people can't is that the term "god" describes a "person" and it also describes a "nature" or "essence". context determines which.

I have no problem accepting teh Father is God above jesus in position and authority. None whatsoever. That is biblical. But I also accpet the bible teaching trhat Jesus is equal to His father and is just as divine as to His nature as His Father. You reject the bible on this.