Dispensational problems

[Truth7t7]

That should be obvious. Which means that you need to seriously study why the words are connected. Not depend on Anti-Dispensational propaganda.

No propaganda "Truth", John N. Darby and C.I. Scofield's dispensationalism is teaching in error

There is no pre-trib rapture found in scripture

Dispensationalism's (Dual Covenant Theology) in (Two Peoples Of God) Jew/Church is found no place in scripture

 

[Truth7t7]

That was definitely NOT a part of the Abrahamic Covenant. You should take some time to seriously study the entire Abrahamic Covenant, since a significant aspect of it has not been fulfilled. It can only be fulfilled after the Second Coming of Christ.

Perhaps you need to read Galatians 3:16 real slow, then read it again

All covenants and promises made to Abraham have been fulfilled in Jesus Christ, the promised "Seed" not ethnic Jew's "Seeds"

Galatians 3:16KJV16
Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.

 

[Zao is life]

That was definitely NOT a part of the Abrahamic Covenant. You should take some time to seriously study the entire Abrahamic Covenant, since a significant aspect of it has not been fulfilled. It can only be fulfilled after the Second Coming of Christ.

The seed of Abraham to whom all the promises and covenants pertain is Christ, and those who are in Him through faith in Him will share in HIS inheritance. Those outside are "the fearful, and the unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars," who "will have their part in the Lake burning with fire and brimstone, which is the second death." Revelation 21:8

 

[Iconoclast]

That should be obvious. Which means that you need to seriously study why the words are connected. Not depend on Anti-Dispensational propaganda.

Do you know the basic teaching of dispensationalism?
The seven dispensations?

 

[Zao is life]

That was definitely NOT a part of the Abrahamic Covenant. You should take some time to seriously study the entire Abrahamic Covenant, since a significant aspect of it has not been fulfilled. It can only be fulfilled after the Second Coming of Christ.

By the way, I have studied the Abrahamic Covenant in the Bible (not in your Jewish commentaries or your Dispensationalist commentaries), and what came before that, and what came between the Law and Christ, and what came since then.

Newsflash: There's always only been one Israel, its election based on faith in the Word of God like Abraham had. God did not create a separate Israel when most of the genetic seed broke themselves off through their unbelief the way their forefathers had done when they perished in the wilderness. God took the Gentiles who believed in Christ, and joined them to the remnant of the natural seed who believed, but the root (Christ) remained. Same Israel, BUT THIS TIME the individual citizens are the living stones who together make a new Temple.

You need to study the covenants of God properly, after you've removed the dispense with the blood of Christ, sensational (Dispensational) lenses that are blinding you.

 

[amigo de christo]

By the way, I have studied the Abrahamic Covenant in the Bible (not in your Jewish commentaries or your Dispensationalist commentaries), and what came before that, and what came between the Law and Christ, and what came since then.

Newsflash: There's always only been one Israel, its election based on faith in the Word of God like Abraham had. God did not create a separate Israel when most of the genetic seed broke themselves off through their unbelief the way their forefathers had done when they perished in the wilderness. God took the Gentiles who believed in Christ, and joined them to the remnant of the natural seed who believed, but the root (Christ) remained. Same Israel, BUT THIS TIME the individual citizens are the living stones who together make a new Temple.

You need to study the covenants of God properly, after you've removed the dispense with the blood of Christ, sensational (Dispensational) lenses that are blinding you.

This is correct my friend . IT was always by faith . the covenant in abraham was always by Faith .
And there was a faithful rememnat of jews that always believed and did have that faith and they LOOKED for the PROMISE of HIS COMING .
And now GOD has opened this door unto the gentiles to have the same access into that tree .
And he will surely cast out anyone , whether jew or gentile who does not walk according to the Faith of Christ .
God never removed His own tree , He simply cast out of it those who rejected JESUS and grace was given unto the gentiles as well
to enter into that same TREE . And if they , the jews , continue not in unbeleif then they sure can be grafted back into that tree .
The covenant given unto abraham , POINTED TO THE PROMISE OF GOD , FOUND IN JESUS CHRIST and it was BY FAITH .
We must double down in those bibles . Learn that Christ , learn those words , learn all that sound doctrine by the HOLY GHOST
which dwells in the true lambs which consists of believing jews and believing gentiles . The wall of partition is broken down in JESUS .
And there simply is no other hope for a jew or a gentile than to HOLD TO CHRIST and let us love , adorn the doctrine of truth in those bibles .

 

[amigo de christo]

The seed of Abraham to whom all the promises and covenants pertain is Christ, and those who are in Him through faith in Him will share in HIS inheritance. Those outside are "the fearful, and the unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars," who "will have their part in the Lake burning with fire and brimstone, which is the second death." Revelation 21:8

This MUST be sounded out again . For many no longer believe this and even worse it has gotten .
Till now we hear claims that even muslims and other religions and atheists and whoever loveth and pratices a lie , WILL ALL BE SAVED
if they hug and have some kind of love and unity . ITS a lie from hell and of the dragon to be sure .

 

[Zao is life]

This MUST be sounded out again . For many no longer believe this and even worse it has gotten .
Till now we hear claims that even muslims and other religions and atheists and whoever loveth and pratices a lie , WILL ALL BE SAVED
if they hug and have some kind of love and unity . ITS a lie from hell and of the dragon to be sure .

Amen brother. That's all leading to what Paul called the (Ho) Apostasy (apostasia) which accompanies the appearing of the man of sin. Those who do not love Christ and who do not love the truth in the Bible are going to come under strong delusion, because we cannot serve two masters. There's no compromising the truth for the sake of warm fuzzy feelings while we sing Kumbaya with Muslims and their Imams, unsaved Jews and their Rabbis, Hindus and their gurus, etc etc.

"He that is not with me is against me; and he that gathers not with me scatters abroad." Luke 12:30

 

[bbyrd009]

LOL
Ditto!
But it's good to know what persons are speaking about.
I think!

i look for “butting heads” now,
after all, what do goats do.
iron sharpens iron, like the op says

OK bb.
Some good
Some bad
It's life.
R U ok?

doing well, how about you?

 

[bbyrd009]

This MUST be sounded out again . For many no longer believe this and even worse it has gotten .
Till now we hear claims that even muslims and other religions and atheists and whoever loveth and pratices a lie , WILL ALL BE SAVED
if they hug and have some kind of love and unity . ITS a lie from hell and of the dragon to be sure .

ok now to be fair, Jesus basically dissed the religious in His day, and gave the highest praise to the pagan (Centurion) and the atheist (Samaritan) right?

“Saved” from what, one might ask?

Amen brother. That's all leading to what Paul called the (Ho) Apostasy (apostasia) which accompanies the appearing of the man of sin. Those who do not love Christ and who do not love the truth in the Bible are going to come under strong delusion, because we cannot serve two masters. There's no compromising the truth for the sake of warm fuzzy feelings while we sing Kumbaya with Muslims and their Imams, unsaved Jews and their Rabbis, Hindus and their gurus, etc etc.

"He that is not with me is against me; and he that gathers not with me scatters abroad." Luke 12:30

hmm maybe you’d like to state one of the “truths” of the Bible, and we could see

 

[farouk]

LOL
Ditto!
But it's good to know what persons are speaking about.
I think!

OK bb.
Some good
Some bad
It's life.
R U ok?

@GodsGrace I think with prophecy in Scripture it's good to remember the Who? (1 Corinthians 10.32) as well as the When?

 

[Iconoclast]

26. Despite the dispensationalists’ interpretive methodology arguing that we must interpret the Old Testament on its own merit without reference to the New Testament, so that we must “interpret ‘the New Testament in the light of the Old’” (Elliot Johnson), the unified, organic nature of Scripture and its typological, unfolding character require that we consult the New Testament as the divinely-ordained interpreter of the Old Testament, noting that all the prophecies are “yea and amen in Christ” (2 Cor 1:20); that “the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy” (Rev 19:10); and, in fact, that many Old Testament passages were written “for our instruction, upon whom the ends of the ages have come” (1 Cor 10:11) and were a “mystery which has been kept secret for long ages past” (Col. 1:26; Rev 10:7).

 

[Iconoclast]

27. Contrary to the dispensationalists’ claim that “prophecies in the Old Testament concerning the first coming of Christ … were all fulfilled ‘literally’” (Charles Ryrie), many such prophecies were not fulfilled in a “plain” (Ryrie) literal fashion, such as the famous Psalm 22 prophecy that speaks of bulls and dogs surrounding Christ at his crucifixion (Psa 22:12, 16), and the Isaiah 7:14 prophecy regarding the virgin, that “she will call His name Immanuel” (cp. Luke 2:21), and others.

 

[Iconoclast]

28. Despite the dispensationalists’ argument that “prophecies in the Old Testament concerning the first coming of Christ … were all fulfilled ‘literally’” (Charles Ryrie), they can defend their argument only by special pleading and circular reasoning in that they (1) put off to the Second Advent all those prophecies of his coming as a king, though most non-dispensational evangelicals apply these to Christ’s first coming in that He declared his kingdom “near” (Mark 1:15); and they (2) overlook the fact that his followers preached him as a king (Acts 17:7) and declared him to be the “ruler of the kings of the earth” (Rev 1:5) in the first century.

 

[Iconoclast]

29. Despite the dispensationalists’ central affirmation of the “plain interpretation” of Scripture (Charles Ryrie) by which their so-called literalism provides “a coherent and consistent interpretation” (John Walvoord), it ends up with one of the most ornate and complex systems in all of evangelical theology, with differing peoples, principles, plans, programs, and destinies because interpreting Scripture is not so “plain” (despite Charles Ryrie).

 

[Iconoclast]

30. Despite the dispensationalists’ argument for the “literal” fulfillment of prophecy, when confronted with obvious New Testament, non-literal fulfillments, they will either (1) declare that the original prophecy had “figures of speech” in them (Scofield), or (2) call these “applications” of the Old Testament rather than fulfillments (Paul Tan)—which means that they try to make it impossible to bring any contrary evidence against their system by re-interpreting any such evidence in one of these two directions.

 

[Iconoclast]

31. Despite the dispensationalists’ strong commitment to the “plain interpretation” of Scripture (Charles Ryrie) and its dependence on Daniel’s Seventy Weeks as “of major importance to premillennialism” (John Walvoord), they have to insert into the otherwise chronological progress of the singular period of “Seventy Weeks” (Dan 9:24) a gap in order to make their system work; and that gap is already four times longer than the whole Seventy Weeks (490 year) period.

 

[Iconoclast]

32. Despite the dispensationalists’ commitment to the non-contradictory integrity of Scripture, their holding to both a convoluted form of literalism and separate and distinct dispensations produces a dialectical tension between the “last trumpet” of 1 Cor. 15:51-53, which is held to be the signal for the Rapture at the end of the Church Age, and the trumpet in Matt. 24:31, which gathers elect Jews out of the Tribulation at the Second Coming (Walvoord). Dispensationalists, who allegedly are ‘literalists,’ posit that this latter trumpet is seven years after the “last” trumpet.

 

[Iconoclast]

33. Despite the dispensationalists’ desire to promote the historical-grammatical method of interpretation, their habit of calling it the “plain interpretation” (Charles Ryrie) leads the average reader not to look at ancient biblical texts in terms of their original setting, but in terms of their contemporary, Western setting and what they have been taught by others — since it is so “plain.”

 

[marks]

Do you know the basic teaching of dispensationalism?
The seven dispensations?

Perhaps beginning with the two more well understood dispensations, OT and NT? Are you dispensational? Or still offering sacrifices?

Much love!