Do you accept this a Biblical fact or fiction?:

[David in NJ]

Where does Jesus say "I and my Father are ECHAD"?

Echad does not mean "united one"! See posts 79 and 112.

Echad does in fact mean a 'united one' also 'more then one singular - 'a few' also 'altogether'.

 

[Renniks]

(Jeremiah 10:10) . . .Jehovah is truly God. He is the living God . . .

Concerning Jesus:
(Matthew 16:16) . . .“You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.”

Are you trying to save these two are mutually exclusive?
Because I except that both are true and also that Jesus is God.
"Thomas replied, “My Lord and my God!”

John 20:28

 

[michaelvpardo]

So you can call it "satanic" and won't provide any specific examples or honest evidence. This is not how anyone who is to be considered honest should act. Sad.

I can say with all honesty that nearly all Bible translations have dishonestly translated in nearly 6000 places [YHWH]. The NWT (and ASV) are then, way ahead of these translations in that one area alone - ("satanic?").

There are a number which have also mistranslated 1 Timothy 3:16. ("satanic?")

I only know of one translation that denies the divinity of Christ. At least the publishers of the JPS Tanaach are honest enough to footnote their altered passages with comments like "the actual translation is "uncertain."
Do you know why the New World Translation isn't included in Christian bible study software, or on Christian bible study web sites? That would be because it isn't considered a Christian translation by any Christians. Everyone with His Spirit sees it as an offense.

Evidence Mike?

9 Whoever transgresses and does not abide in the doctrine of Christ does not have God. He who abides in the doctrine of Christ has both the Father and the Son. 10 If anyone comes to you and does not bring this doctrine, do not receive him into your house nor greet him; 11 for he who greets him shares in his evil deeds. 2 John 1:9
This was the testimony of the Holy Spirit in His indictment of the Jehovah's witnesses elders that came to my door. His testimony is all the evidence I need.

 

[michaelvpardo]

Jesus made God's name known Mike, Jn 17:26 Very likely the version of the Bible you use has omitted the name of God in the New Testament, which can be very confusing for sure. I guess where the problem lies is that you do not recognize that when Jesus is talking about the Father, he is talking about his God Jehovah. The Father Jesus is referring to is actually God sir, and the Bible reveals his name as being Jehovah in English.

Nowhere in the gospels does Jesus identify the Father as Jehovah and since the name Jehovah doesn't appear anywhere in scripture but is the creation of translators the religion of the Jehovah's Witnesses is a complete fiction.
The covenant name of God is Yah havah, the given name of His Son is Yah shua. The first represents the eternal Spirit of the Father, the second represents the eternal Spirit in the form of man.
No one has seen God at any time. The only begotten Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, He has declared Him. John 1:18
For the antichrists among us here:
15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. 16 For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through Him and for Him. 17 And He is before all things, and in Him all things consist. 18 And He is the head of the body, the church, who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, that in all things He may have the preeminence. Colossians 1:15-18
Colossians chapter one describes Jesus, the Son of God in His equality to God.

New International Version
He alone stretches out the heavens and treads on the waves of the sea.

New Living Translation
He alone has spread out the heavens and marches on the waves of the sea.

English Standard Version
who alone stretched out the heavens and trampled the waves of the sea;

Berean Study Bible
He alone stretches out the heavens and treads on the waves of the sea.

King James Bible
Which alone spreadeth out the heavens, and treadeth upon the waves of the sea.

New King James Version
He alone spreads out the heavens, And treads on the waves of the sea;

All the signs Jesus worked were the works scripture attributes to God, but you say He isn't God. That's your problem, not ours. What is it about "alone" that you don't understand?

 

[tigger 2]

Let US make man in OUR Image according to OUR Likeness. Genesis 1:26
Hear, O Israel: The LORD our ELOHIM is one (echad) LORD: Deuteronomy 6:4
I and My Father are One - John 10:30

Again, David:
Where does Jesus say "I and my Father are ECHAD"?

 

[Ronald Nolette]

What about when he was a man?

Well can a mere man know the future? Can a mere man walk on water?
Can a mere man take 5 loaves and 2 fish and feed approx. 20,000 people with 12 baskets leftover? Can a mere man take water and turn it into wine? Can a mere man heal diseases just by a word? Can a mere man heal Jewish lepers? Can a mere man read minds? Can a mere man forgive sins? can a mere man survive the Roman 39 lashes, then carry a cross approx 400 yards? Can a mere man be drained of blood and raise Himself from the dead. (Jesus told the Jews if they destroyed HIs body, in three days HE (meaning Jesus) would raise it up.

I can't map out what is called the hypostatic union. But I can tell you what Scripture says: He is God in human flesh, He was true man subject to all the same things we are , yet without sin, He is called Emmanuel- or god with us.

Can I tell you how it all workd? Nope- it just did.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

I essentially agreed with the rest of your post. I am certainly ignorant of some things, even many things, but I am not confused except in such times as I have turned my face away from the Lord as did Peter when he was walking on water. The confusion comes to a person, I believe, when he walks alone or when he mixes his own ways in with the Way of God. In the Bible we are provided with many examples of confusion.

The Light is always there for us to see and to follow even as the cloud was there by day the fire by night to lead the Israelites through the wilderness. But as we follow that Light, we may not be see able to see much of our final destination. Do we need to? Or do we simply need to stay always on the Lord's side, keeping our eyes always on Him?

Well many times confusion comes because we simply are incapable of understanding all of Gods Ways and all of who He is! As is written in Isaiah: "My ways are not your ways, and my thoughts are not you rthoughts, and as far as the heavens are above the earth, so are my ways above yours!

Eternity confuses me one who has existed before time.

Trinity confuses me- HOw three are one (though I have learned much to settle my confusion) Etc.etc. I accept them with confidence in that if God did not want these things declared, He would not have inspired them in Scripture.

 

[bbyrd009]

Eternity

“aion: a space of time; an age”

I accept them with confidence in that if God did not want these things declared, He would not have inspired them in Scripture

I know the wolves will rush in as soon as I leave, not sparing the flock

 

[bbyrd009]

I only know of one translation that denies the divinity of Christ

I said “you are Elohim”

 

[David in NJ]

Again, David:
Where does Jesus say "I and my Father are ECHAD"?

Maybe you missed this

Let US make man in OUR Image according to OUR Likeness. Genesis 1:26
Hear, O Israel: The LORD our ELOHIM is one (echad) LORD: Deuteronomy 6:4
I and My Father are One - John 10:30

 

[David in NJ]

“aion: a space of time; an age”

I know the wolves will rush in as soon as I leave, not sparing the flock

Acts 20 is the beginning of the end, of understanding Truth for mankind.

However, one can escape this confusion unto damnation but only by complete submission to His Blood + the Word + the Holy Spirit.

And I heard a loud voice in heaven saying: “Now have come the salvation and the power and the kingdom of our God, and the authority of His Christ. For the accuser of our brothers has been thrown down—he who accuses them day and night before our God.
They have conquered him by the blood of the Lamb and by the word of their testimony.
And they did not love their lives so as to shy away from death. Revelation 12:10-11

Very few are willing to 'not love their life' for Truth

 

[Ronald Nolette]

“aion: a space of time; an age”

I know the wolves will rush in as soon as I leave, not sparing the flock

Well then show God had a beginning and will have an end for He is aion (or the derivative used to describe time for an individual)

and what wolfish thing are you implying I am trying to deceive people with?

 

[David in NJ]

Nowhere in the gospels does Jesus identify the Father as Jehovah and since the name Jehovah doesn't appear anywhere in scripture but is the creation of translators the religion of the Jehovah's Witnesses is a complete fiction.
The covenant name of God is Yah havah, the given name of His Son is Yah shua. The first represents the eternal Spirit of the Father, the second represents the eternal Spirit in the form of man.
No one has seen God at any time. The only begotten Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, He has declared Him. John 1:18
For the antichrists among us here:
15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. 16 For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through Him and for Him. 17 And He is before all things, and in Him all things consist. 18 And He is the head of the body, the church, who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, that in all things He may have the preeminence. Colossians 1:15-18
Colossians chapter one describes Jesus, the Son of God in His equality to God.

New International Version
He alone stretches out the heavens and treads on the waves of the sea.

New Living Translation
He alone has spread out the heavens and marches on the waves of the sea.

English Standard Version
who alone stretched out the heavens and trampled the waves of the sea;

Berean Study Bible
He alone stretches out the heavens and treads on the waves of the sea.

King James Bible
Which alone spreadeth out the heavens, and treadeth upon the waves of the sea.

New King James Version
He alone spreads out the heavens, And treads on the waves of the sea;

All the signs Jesus worked were the works scripture attributes to God, but you say He isn't God. That's your problem, not ours. What is it about "alone" that you don't understand?

Truly Amazing:
Since Yashuah/Jehovah/JESUS created all things and that HE is the express Image of the Invisible God who no one has seen but the SON and that HE said "I and My Father are ONE" and no one comes to the Father but through the SON.....

Yet somehow this just doesn't get through the pineal gland.

 

[michaelvpardo]

I don't deny how great Jesus is - he is our Lord and our head, our redeemer and saviour. But he is not God. The verses that you quote clearly distinguish between God and Jesus, and have God appointing His son as heir of all things, and God resurrecting Jesus from death. They also clearly state that Jesus is God's son, and that he is now sat down at the right hand of God. It is erroneous to conclude from those verses that God is three beings masquerading as one God.

You've been reported, so we'll see if this is "Christianity board" or "cultianity board,"

 

[michaelvpardo]

I said “you are Elohim”

Yes, the plural form of Elohe used by monotheists. Is that cryptic enough for you?

 

[michaelvpardo]

Truly Amazing:
Since Yashuah/Jehovah/JESUS created all things and that HE is the express Image of the Invisible God who no one has seen but the SON and that HE said "I and My Father are ONE" and no one comes to the Father but through the SON.....

Yet somehow this just doesn't get through the pineal gland.

That's why scripture calls this "strong delusion". A sound mind comes from the Spirit of God and without Him I was as insane as any cultist.

 

[tigger 2]

Genesis 1:26
Hear, O Israel: The LORD our ELOHIM is one (echad) LORD: Deuteronomy 6:4
I and My Father are One - John 10:30

Again, David:
Where does Jesus say, "I and my Father are ECHAD"?

Do you really not understand that Jesus did not say this?

Or do you simply refuse to admit any error no matter how obvious?

That would include:
"Echad does in fact mean a 'united one' also 'more then [sic] one singular - 'a few' also 'altogether'."

You're saying it does not make it true.

Are you unable to read (or understand) the posts I asked you to read explaining the meaning of echad?

Posts 79 and 112.

 

[rockytopva]

This is a debate on the trinity, which is a mystery in itself.

And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was. - John 17:5

Who knows of the glory Christ had with the Father, “Before the world was?”

 

[David in NJ]

Genesis 1:26
Hear, O Israel: The LORD our ELOHIM is one (echad) LORD: Deuteronomy 6:4
I and My Father are One - John 10:30

Again, David:
Where does Jesus say, "I and my Father are ECHAD"?

Do you really not understand that Jesus did not say this?

Or do you simply refuse to admit any error no matter how obvious?

That would include:
"Echad does in fact mean a 'united one' also 'more then [sic] one singular - 'a few' also 'altogether'."

You're saying it does not make it true.

Are you unable to read (or understand) the posts I asked you to read explaining the meaning of echad?

Posts 79 and 112.

i never came up with this - The WORD did before i was ever born.
In fact , Jesus did say this to those Jews He was speaking to - and to those of us who know this.

Why is it you cannot see?

Why is it you reject the Word of GOD from the BEGINNING???

ELOHIM gave a direct commandment concerning who HE IS and HIS NAME.
This is an ETERNAL Commandment given to us today.
God(Elohim) said to Moses, “I AM WHO I AM.
This is what you are to say to the Israelites: ‘I AM has sent me to you.’ ”
ELOHIM also told Moses,
“Say to the Israelites, ‘The LORD, the ELOHIM of your fathers—the ELOHIM of Abraham, the ELOHIM of Isaac, and the ELOHIM of Jacob—has sent me to you.’ This is My name forever, and this is how I am to be remembered in every generation.

ELOHIM Abraham - Father
ELOHIM Isaac - Son
ELOHIM Jacob - Holy Spirit

Hit 3 HOMERS and your IN - OR - 1 strike and your OUT.

 

[David in NJ]

This is a debate on the trinity, which is a mystery in itself.

And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was. - John 17:5

Who knows of the glory Christ had with the Father, “Before the world was?”

The Gospel of John chapter 17 is MOST BEAUTIFUL and REVEALING.
A mystery only to those who do not understand.
Not a mystery to those who bow the knee before the Word that was, and IS, God in the Beginning.
Genesis 1:1 = same = John 1:1