David in NJ
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Where does Jesus say "I and my Father are ECHAD"?
Echad does not mean "united one"! See posts 79 and 112.
Echad does in fact mean a 'united one' also 'more then one singular - 'a few' also 'altogether'.
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Where does Jesus say "I and my Father are ECHAD"?
Echad does not mean "united one"! See posts 79 and 112.
Are you trying to save these two are mutually exclusive?(Jeremiah 10:10) . . .Jehovah is truly God. He is the living God . . .
Concerning Jesus:
(Matthew 16:16) . . .“You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.”
I only know of one translation that denies the divinity of Christ. At least the publishers of the JPS Tanaach are honest enough to footnote their altered passages with comments like "the actual translation is "uncertain."So you can call it "satanic" and won't provide any specific examples or honest evidence. This is not how anyone who is to be considered honest should act. Sad.
I can say with all honesty that nearly all Bible translations have dishonestly translated in nearly 6000 places [YHWH]. The NWT (and ASV) are then, way ahead of these translations in that one area alone - ("satanic?").
There are a number which have also mistranslated 1 Timothy 3:16. ("satanic?")
Evidence Mike?
Nowhere in the gospels does Jesus identify the Father as Jehovah and since the name Jehovah doesn't appear anywhere in scripture but is the creation of translators the religion of the Jehovah's Witnesses is a complete fiction.Jesus made God's name known Mike, Jn 17:26 Very likely the version of the Bible you use has omitted the name of God in the New Testament, which can be very confusing for sure. I guess where the problem lies is that you do not recognize that when Jesus is talking about the Father, he is talking about his God Jehovah. The Father Jesus is referring to is actually God sir, and the Bible reveals his name as being Jehovah in English.
Let US make man in OUR Image according to OUR Likeness. Genesis 1:26
Hear, O Israel: The LORD our ELOHIM is one (echad) LORD: Deuteronomy 6:4
I and My Father are One - John 10:30
What about when he was a man?
I essentially agreed with the rest of your post. I am certainly ignorant of some things, even many things, but I am not confused except in such times as I have turned my face away from the Lord as did Peter when he was walking on water. The confusion comes to a person, I believe, when he walks alone or when he mixes his own ways in with the Way of God. In the Bible we are provided with many examples of confusion.
The Light is always there for us to see and to follow even as the cloud was there by day the fire by night to lead the Israelites through the wilderness. But as we follow that Light, we may not be see able to see much of our final destination. Do we need to? Or do we simply need to stay always on the Lord's side, keeping our eyes always on Him?
“aion: a space of time; an age”Eternity
I know the wolves will rush in as soon as I leave, not sparing the flockI accept them with confidence in that if God did not want these things declared, He would not have inspired them in Scripture
I said “you are Elohim”I only know of one translation that denies the divinity of Christ
Again, David:
Where does Jesus say "I and my Father are ECHAD"?
“aion: a space of time; an age”
I know the wolves will rush in as soon as I leave, not sparing the flock
“aion: a space of time; an age”
I know the wolves will rush in as soon as I leave, not sparing the flock
Nowhere in the gospels does Jesus identify the Father as Jehovah and since the name Jehovah doesn't appear anywhere in scripture but is the creation of translators the religion of the Jehovah's Witnesses is a complete fiction.
The covenant name of God is Yah havah, the given name of His Son is Yah shua. The first represents the eternal Spirit of the Father, the second represents the eternal Spirit in the form of man.
No one has seen God at any time. The only begotten Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, He has declared Him. John 1:18
For the antichrists among us here:
15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. 16 For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through Him and for Him. 17 And He is before all things, and in Him all things consist. 18 And He is the head of the body, the church, who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, that in all things He may have the preeminence. Colossians 1:15-18
Colossians chapter one describes Jesus, the Son of God in His equality to God.
New International Version
He alone stretches out the heavens and treads on the waves of the sea.
New Living Translation
He alone has spread out the heavens and marches on the waves of the sea.
English Standard Version
who alone stretched out the heavens and trampled the waves of the sea;
Berean Study Bible
He alone stretches out the heavens and treads on the waves of the sea.
King James Bible
Which alone spreadeth out the heavens, and treadeth upon the waves of the sea.
New King James Version
He alone spreads out the heavens, And treads on the waves of the sea;
All the signs Jesus worked were the works scripture attributes to God, but you say He isn't God. That's your problem, not ours. What is it about "alone" that you don't understand?
You've been reported, so we'll see if this is "Christianity board" or "cultianity board,"I don't deny how great Jesus is - he is our Lord and our head, our redeemer and saviour. But he is not God. The verses that you quote clearly distinguish between God and Jesus, and have God appointing His son as heir of all things, and God resurrecting Jesus from death. They also clearly state that Jesus is God's son, and that he is now sat down at the right hand of God. It is erroneous to conclude from those verses that God is three beings masquerading as one God.
Yes, the plural form of Elohe used by monotheists. Is that cryptic enough for you?I said “you are Elohim”
That's why scripture calls this "strong delusion". A sound mind comes from the Spirit of God and without Him I was as insane as any cultist.Truly Amazing:
Since Yashuah/Jehovah/JESUS created all things and that HE is the express Image of the Invisible God who no one has seen but the SON and that HE said "I and My Father are ONE" and no one comes to the Father but through the SON.....
Yet somehow this just doesn't get through the pineal gland.
Genesis 1:26
Hear, O Israel: The LORD our ELOHIM is one (echad) LORD: Deuteronomy 6:4
I and My Father are One - John 10:30
Again, David:
Where does Jesus say, "I and my Father are ECHAD"?
Do you really not understand that Jesus did not say this?
Or do you simply refuse to admit any error no matter how obvious?
That would include:
"Echad does in fact mean a 'united one' also 'more then [sic] one singular - 'a few' also 'altogether'."
You're saying it does not make it true.
Are you unable to read (or understand) the posts I asked you to read explaining the meaning of echad?
Posts 79 and 112.
This is a debate on the trinity, which is a mystery in itself.
And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was. - John 17:5
Who knows of the glory Christ had with the Father, “Before the world was?”