Biblical Mary

[Addy]

When someone makes a comment on any given subject... I don't think that binds them to speaking to every single person that quotes them. It happens all the time... people make comments to CERTAIN people's points... and then they move on. I think everyone experiences people they do not trust... admire... or cannot relate to... thus the beauty of a free forum... where one can pick and choose whom they communicate with.

Knowing one's limitations is an important attribute I feel. I could debate until the cows come home as to WHY I left the Catholic church... and why I LOATHE this institution... it would serve NO purpose... I am not afraid of confronting questions about Catholicism... My stance is simply that I do not desire to WASTE my time on something that is no longer a part of my life.

The topic of Mary's perpetual virginity was a discussion I felt the need to comment on... and only in light of stating that NO one can prove for sure if this is true.... All the scholars in the world agreeing does not make this a case of "proof".

I think @Mungo will agree that I have been most respectful with all our communications.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Hi Ronald,

I have directly addressed with @BreadOfLife the way he communicates. He does speak Truth and I agree with him on his core message, which is the message of The Church, but his delivery is harsh at times. I would not use the words or tactics he uses. Other than his manner of communicating I have great respect for him.

With great appreciation….Mary

Well I was a staunch Catholic, who even was groomed for the priesthood. But when I received the Scriptures and began studying on my own, I found much in Romanism to disagree with. Just like the Mormons and Jehovahs witnesses do when they study the Scriptures apart from the dogmas they were indoctgrinated in.

 

[Addy]

Well I was a staunch Catholic, who even was groomed for the priesthood.

LOL @ your choice of words.... I take my dog in to get groomed... Sorry... I thought this was funny.... NO offence meant. It's FRIDAY... been a long week.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

LOL @ your choice of words.... I take my dog in to get groomed... Sorry... I thought this was funny.... NO offence meant. It's FRIDAY... been a long week.

Well I am glad I could bring a smile. If you are unaware of rthis old euphemism, it simply means I was being trained and expected to after graduating Catholic grammar school aand then the Catholic HIgfh school I graduated from, to attend St. Anselms college and go on tot he priesthood.

Celibacy crushed their dreams about me.

 

[Addy]

Well I am glad I could bring a smile. If you are unaware of rthis old euphemism, it simply means I was being trained and expected to after graduating Catholic grammar school aand then the Catholic HIgfh school I graduated from, to attend St. Anselms college and go on tot he priesthood.

I am most familiar with what you are referring to... I am an EX-Catholic... I have been to a few ordinations.

 

[Marymog]

Well I was a staunch Catholic, who even was groomed for the priesthood. But when I received the Scriptures and began studying on my own, I found much in Romanism to disagree with. Just like the Mormons and Jehovahs witnesses do when they study the Scriptures apart from the dogmas they were indoctgrinated in.

EXACTLY...That is why you are a church of ONE because YOU (a man) "know" the Truth of Scripture and the men of The Church, or any other denomination for that matter, that disagrees with YOU are wrong because their "dogmas" don't contain the Truth. Only yours do!

 

[GRACE ambassador]

Well I am glad I could bring a smile. If you are unaware of rthis old euphemism, it simply means I was being trained and expected to after graduating Catholic grammar school aand then the Catholic HIgfh school I graduated from, to attend St. Anselms college and go on tot he priesthood.

Celibacy crushed their dreams about me.

Guess there's THREE of us then, as I ran away from home/catholicism at age 14!
Took me another 13 Years for God To Finally "Get me With HIS Truth!!" Amen! Hallelujah!! Praise HIS HOLY Name!!! NONE other like IT!!!!

And Even then, after ANOTHER 11 years of {babe} Confusion, HE Gave me:
(2 Timothy 2:15; Romans 16:25; Ephesians 1:3-9; Ephesians 3:9 = Grace/Mystery fellowship, today?)

Please Be Richly Encouraged, Enlightened, Exhorted, and Edified!
God's Simple Will!

 

[Addy]

Took me another 13 Years for God To Finally "Get me With HIS Truth!!" Amen! Hallelujah!! Praise HIS HOLY Name!!! NONE other like IT!!!!

YES... YES and YES.

 

[Marymog]

Well I am glad I could bring a smile. If you are unaware of rthis old euphemism, it simply means I was being trained and expected to after graduating Catholic grammar school aand then the Catholic HIgfh school I graduated from, to attend St. Anselms college and go on tot he priesthood.

Celibacy crushed their dreams about me.

Hi Ronald,

I think the celibacy requirements for priest is a beautiful thing.

For you see Scripture makes it clear that 'the unmarried man is anxious about the affairs of the Lord and how to please the Lord. But the married man is anxious about the affairs of the world and how to please his wife. The married mans interests are divided.' As you know Ronald we were told this for our own benefit. It was not meant to put any restraint upon us, but to promote good order and unhindered devotion to the Lord.' Scripture also makes it clear that there are eunuchs who have made themselves eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. Let anyone accept this who can.” You Ronald couldn't accept it. I applaud you for recognizing that BEFORE you went on your search for the Truth.

But I suspect you knew all this already since you were once a devout Catholic and are well versed in Scripture since fleeing from The Church.

Mary

 

[GRACE ambassador]

I think the celibacy requirements for priest is a beautiful thing.

You probably also have a thought about those celibate who abuse children, disregarding God's Truth?:

Rom 1:24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
Rom 1:25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
Rom 1:26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
Rom 1:27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
Rom 1:28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;

Doesn't "sound beautiful" to me. Praying, yes, for them, and for the "one who did this to me," forgiving him, and hoping he may "come to repentance." Amen?

 

[Marymog]

You probably also have a thought about those celibate who abuse children, disregarding God's Truth?:

Rom 1:24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
Rom 1:25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
Rom 1:26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
Rom 1:27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
Rom 1:28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;

Doesn't "sound beautiful" to me. Praying, yes, for them, and for the "one who did this to me," forgiving him, and hoping he may "come to repentance." Amen?

Hey Grace,

Anytime someone commits a sin (any sin) it is not a beautiful thing and they have disregarded God's truth. Do you sin? Yes, you have. That means you have disregarded His truth also.

Did you know there a people, men and women alike, who abuse children in that manner? Did you also know that a majority of them are not celibate and in fact married? So your suggestion that celibacy has something to do with this sin is bizarre to say the least.

I can't help you if you disagree with Scripture about the beauty of celibacy: The unmarried man is anxious about the affairs of the Lord, how to please the Lord;.... I say this for your own benefit, not to put any restraint upon you, but to promote good order and unhindered devotion to the Lord. There be eunuchs, which have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven's sake. He that is able to receive it, let him receive it.

I suspect the intent of your post was to attack the Catholic Church. But I could be wrong...but I also doubt I was wrong.

Mary

 

[GRACE ambassador]

Did you know there a people, men and women alike, who abuse children in that manner?

Yes, I wasn't born yesterday. I KNOW other religions have sins. The point is "Using religion as a Cloak FOR SIN," IS going to have consequences for the sinner, as well as The LEADERS, WHO "make it possible/COVER it up!!!" = JUDGMENT Day!

May God HAVE MERCY on us ALL {GUILTY!}. Thanks.

God's Simple Will
(2 Timothy 2:15; Romans 16:25; Ephesians 1:3-9; Ephesians 3:9 = Grace/Mystery fellowship, today?)

 

[Addy]

The point is "Using religion as a Cloak FOR SIN," IS going to have consequences for the sinner, as well as The LEADERS, WHO "make it possible/COVER it up!!!" = JUDGMENT Day!

and therein lies the depth of my loathing and wrath for this institution... Thank you for saying this.

 

[Addy]

I think the moral of the story is this.
BE very CAREFUL what you are endorsing and defending and believing... Make sure that the inside of the cup is clean and pure.
Judgement day will reveal all the great atrocities of the Catholic Church... and as @GRACE ambassador has stated... GOD have mercy on us all.

 

[Marymog]

Yes, I wasn't born yesterday. I KNOW other religions have sins. The point is "Using religion as a Cloak FOR SIN," IS going to have consequences for the sinner, as well as The LEADERS, WHO "make it possible/COVER it up!!!" = JUDGMENT Day!

May God HAVE MERCY on us ALL {GUILTY!}. Thanks.

God's Simple Will
(2 Timothy 2:15; Romans 16:25; Ephesians 1:3-9; Ephesians 3:9 = Grace/Mystery fellowship, today?)

Thanks for the clarification Grace.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

EXACTLY...That is why you are a church of ONE because YOU (a man) "know" the Truth of Scripture and the men of The Church, or any other denomination for that matter, that disagrees with YOU are wrong because their "dogmas" don't contain the Truth. Only yours do!

Well all I believe I hope is 100% correct. If I believed something I kne3w to be wrong- their are special hospitals for folks like that.

We can disagree on minor non fundamental issues. the church has become very fractured and splintered over 2 millenia. I do know that I have changed my positions over the years as one presented a much better biblical argument over a doctrine. I can intensely disagree with something one believes and not hate them even a smidge!

The reason why we are here on this forumis to be ready to give a defense of our beliefs. If one didn't want to debate or discuss with those that disagree, why would they even bother posting here knoweing it is going to bring responses.

But I am prepared to biblically defend any and everything I believe. does that make everything I say 100% right? Of ocourse not- but as you do not know your blind spots, I do nto know mine.

 

[Marymog]

Well all I believe I hope is 100% correct. If I believed something I kne3w to be wrong- their are special hospitals for folks like that.

We can disagree on minor non fundamental issues. the church has become very fractured and splintered over 2 millenia. I do know that I have changed my positions over the years as one presented a much better biblical argument over a doctrine. I can intensely disagree with something one believes and not hate them even a smidge!

The reason why we are here on this forumis to be ready to give a defense of our beliefs. If one didn't want to debate or discuss with those that disagree, why would they even bother posting here knoweing it is going to bring responses.

But I am prepared to biblically defend any and everything I believe. does that make everything I say 100% right? Of ocourse not- but as you do not know your blind spots, I do nto know mine.

Hi Ronald,

Thank you for your articulation of what you believe. It was very helpful.

Scripture makes it clear that it's not up to each individual Christian to decide what they THINK the bible says. It doesn't say that we are allowed to form our own interpretation of Scripture. It says completely opposite of that. It says we are to follow the elders who are in charge of our souls among other passages that are a waste of my time to quote to you.

Who decides what a "fundamental issue" is? If my church elders teach that the Real Presence is a fundamental issue for salvation and you don't teach yourself that it is a fundamental issue then which one is right? You or the church elders? How does your theory, that each individual person can decide what they believe Scripture means, be an answer Jesus prayer that we all be one. Your theory creates division, not unity. I do not say this in a mean way. I am only using logic so please don't take that as an attack.

Respectfully debating...Mary

 

[MatthewG]

Hello you, Marymog, and whoever else may be reading,

Decided to post after seeing your post MaryMog.

To you reading: my view is this:

No matter who you are,

A person who picks up the bible can read it for what it is worth and overall decide for themselves what they are going to believe.

You can teach them, share with them, explain to them your position on things, but to me it would not be good to take this stance here.

If you get to the point where you are saying this below.

"Everything I believe : that you Learn from me ~ must be submitted to,

Everything I teach is right, and every other way is wrong."

To me this is the start of what could be a cult, or a place that could wrap a person up into bondage.​

As people who decide to teach the bible or share; in respect it is to encourage others to view and go and look and seek after God and overall ask God to help them by the spirit to understand though you may share your knowledge.

To me when it comes down to teaching which have some videos on youtube and everything... never believe me, never trust me, always believe God, look towards God, and His Son Jesus Christ, because there might be times I am teaching my own view, and will suggest this is the way that things are seen but that doesn't mean you have to believe me either.

Think for yourself, do not believe everything you are told, and seek God and the answers that are awaiting in the bible for you to see. It is very hard work, not easy at all.

Thank you for your time and consideration,
with love in Christ,
Matthew G.

 

[Marymog]

Hello you, Marymog, and whoever else may be reading,

Decided to post after seeing your post MaryMog.

To you reading: my view is this:

No matter who you are,

A person who picks up the bible can read it for what it is worth and overall decide for themselves what they are going to believe.

You can teach them, share with them, explain to them your position on things, but to me it would not be good to take this stance here.

If you get to the point where you are saying this below.

"Everything I believe : that you Learn from me ~ must be submitted to,

Everything I teach is right, and every other way is wrong."

To me this is the start of what could be a cult, or a place that could wrap a person up into bondage.​

As people who decide to teach the bible or share; in respect it is to encourage others to view and go and look and seek after God and overall ask God to help them by the spirit to understand though you may share your knowledge.

To me when it comes down to teaching which have some videos on youtube and everything... never believe me, never trust me, always believe God, look towards God, and His Son Jesus Christ, because there might be times I am teaching my own view, and will suggest this is the way that things are seen but that doesn't mean you have to believe me either.

Think for yourself, do not believe everything you are told, and seek God and the answers that are awaiting in the bible for you to see. It is very hard work, not easy at all.

Thank you for your time and consideration,
with love in Christ,
Matthew G.

Thank you Matthew.

The first thing we have to ask ourselves is how do WE, all of us, fulfill Jesus prayer: I ask not only on behalf of these, but also on behalf of those who will believe in me through their word, 21 that they may all be one. As you, Father, are in me and I am in you, may they also be in us, so that the world may believe that you have sent me. 22 The glory that you have given me I have given them, so that they may be one, as we are one, 23 I in them and you in me, that they may become completely one, so that the world may know that you have sent me and have loved them even as you have loved me.

Can we fulfill his prayer and accomplish becoming ONE by enacting your above stated practice?

What does Scripture say about how we become one? What does Scripture say about men reading Scripture and coming up with their own teaching beliefs, practices, dogma etc instead of what has been taught to them by their elders? Let's take a look...

To Church Elders who lead the flock: Keep a close watch on yourself and on the teaching. Persist in this, for by so doing you will save both yourself and your hearers. Do your best to present yourself to God as one approved, a worker who has no need to be ashamed, rightly handling the word of truth. Keep watch over yourselves and over all the flock, of which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers, to shepherd the church of God that he obtained with the blood of his own Son. To the elders among you, I appeal as a fellow elder and a witness of Christ's sufferings who also will share in the glory to be revealed: 2Be shepherds of God's flock that is under your care, watching over them-not because you must, but because you are willing, as God wants you to be; not pursuing dishonest gain, but eager to serve; 3not lording it over those entrusted to you, but being examples to the flock. 4And when the Chief Shepherd appears, you will receive the crown of glory that will never fade away. If anyone teaches a different doctrine and does not agree with the sound words of our Lord Jesus Christ and the teaching that accords with godliness, he is puffed up with conceit and understands nothing. He has an unhealthy craving for controversy and for quarrels about words, which produce envy, dissension, slander, evil suspicions, and constant friction among people who are depraved in mind and deprived of the truth, imagining that godliness is a means of gain. You, however, must teach what is appropriate to sound doctrine.

To the flock: Obey them that have the rule over you, and submit yourselves: for they watch for your souls, as they that must give account, that they may do it with joy, and not with grief: for that is unprofitable for you....and that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation" For the time is coming when people will not endure sound teaching, but having itching ears they will accumulate for themselves teachers to suit their own passions, and will turn away from listening to the truth and wander off into myths. I appeal to you, brothers, to watch out for those who cause divisions and create obstacles contrary to the doctrine that you have been taught; avoid them. For such persons do not serve our Lord Christ, but their own appetites, and by smooth talk and flattery they deceive the hearts of the naive.
Now the Spirit expressly says that in later times some will depart from the faith by devoting themselves to deceitful spirits and teachings of demons, But false prophets also arose among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, bringing upon themselves swift destruction.

Scripture makes it clear that their is sound doctrine taught by leaders of the Church who are in charge of our souls and then there are men who are false teachers who twist Scripture to their own destruction. We can NOT pick up the bible, read it for what it is worth and overall decide for ourselves what we are going to believe.

Mary

 

[MatthewG]

Hello Mary,

That is your view, you may believe however you decide to.
That is all between you and God.

Hope you have a good rest of your evening.

Thank you for sharing your view,
With love in Christ,
Matthew G.