Jesus Second Coming

[Truth7t7]

After the resurrection, then Christ was seen throughout time.

Not pre-incarnate, but post incarnate.

It is the Second Coming that is pre-trib, not post trib.

Jesus Christ created "Everything" including "Time", by him all things consist, and you put Jesus in a shoebox of incarnations, Big Smiles!

Colossians 1:16-17KJV
16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.

 

[Oseas]

Matthew 24:v.9 to12

9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.

10 And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another.

11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.

12 And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.

Revelation 9:v.18 to 21

18 By these three plagues was the third part of men killed, by the fire, and by the smoke, and by the brimstone, which issued out of their mouths.

19 For their power is in their mouth, and in their tails: for their tails were like unto serpents, and had heads, and with them they do hurt.

20 And the rest of the men which were not killed by these three plagues yet repented not of the works of their hands, that they should not worship (1st) devils, and(2nd) idols of gold, and silver, and brass, and stone, and of wood: which neither can see, nor hear, nor walk: - they are the Beast-the Papacy, and the woman-the Roman Catholic Church-which rides upon the Beast.

21 Neither repented they of their murders, nor of their sorceries, nor of their fornication, nor of their thefts.

Revelation 13:v.6 and 5;7-9
6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against GOD , to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven. (Yeah, they -the Papacy and their followers - will blaspheme terribly against our Lord GOD)

5 And there was given unto him -to the Pope-the Beast of sea- a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months. (1st half of the last week-Rev.11:2)

7 And it was given unto him to make WAR with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations. (I am already fighting by a sharp Sword against that MONSTER having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy. In fact, they all will be cast into the lake of fire by the Word of GOD. I do not know word more powerful than the Word of GOD that fulfill LITERALLY)

8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him -the Beast-, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

9 If any man have an ear, let him hear. (Are you hearing?)

Get ready

 

[Timtofly]

Yep, your looking at the dead souls of the saints, that are in the Lords spiritual, no literal earthly time exist's in the spiritual realm

Yes you claim that these dead souls are seen upon earth, in a Millennial Kingdom full of mortal humans "Wrong" a fairy tale

I never claimed anything. Why put words in my mouth that is your private interpretation?

Those people just died. Those people were just resurrected. The first resurrection in fact, that means a bodily resurrection. What do you call a first resurrection? A soul leaving a body on earth and entering a body in Heaven? That is what Paul taught. 2 Corinthians 5.

Is a resurrection just a soul entering heaven? No one taught that in God's Word.

Do you think a body literally has to follow a soul around so that you could understand what is being described?

How do you define a first resurrection? Do you state a body comes from heaven to get a soul in the ground? It is always understood that a body and a soul are united at a resurrection.

 

[Timtofly]

Jesus Christ created "Everything" including "Time", by him all things consist, and you put Jesus in a shoebox of incarnations, Big Smiles!

Colossians 1:16-17KJV
16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.

So you negate an incarnate Christ at any point, even while on earth? You would not want to shoehorn God into a carnate body?

 

[amadeus]

Thanks

What are you going to do with the Lords instruction below?

1 Corinthians 11:23-30KJV
23 For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, that the Lord Jesus the same night in which he was betrayed took bread:
24 And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me.
25 After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, this cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me.
26 For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do shew the Lord's death till he come.
27 Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord.
28 But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup.
29 For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body.
30 For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep.

Do with it as you will. For me it is still speaking of past events and the shadows as opposed to the Reality. I participate in the Reality daily as I have 24/7 for many years. Thanks for your concern.
Give God the glory!

 

[Samara777]

This is a good question and as far as I know there’s a bit of confusion in the Bible.
On one section Jesus says that “even David hasn’t gone to heaven and sleeps where he is buried” but other sections of the Bible say that “when you die the soul goes to father”.
So it’s unsure as to what happens immediately after death.

The people of the old testament didn't immediately go to Heaven it wasn't until Jesus died that He was sufficient to pay for the sins of both before and after Jesus died and rose again

 

[Bob Estey]

So the God sitting on the throne in heaven is also sitting at the table next to you? All three? Can you show me that from scripture?

I know, without looking at scriprure, that God is everywhere.

 

[Oseas]

The people of the old testament didn't immediately go to Heaven it wasn't until Jesus died that He was sufficient to pay for the sins of both before and after Jesus died and rose again

Greetings in Christ JESUS Samara

What you said is really scripturally based. Matthew 27:v.50-54:

50 Jesus, when he had cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the Spirit.

51 And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent;

52 And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose,

53 And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many. (The 24 elders are among them all)

54 Now when the centurion, and they that were with him, watching Jesus, saw the earthquake, and those things that were done, they feared greatly, saying, Truly this was the Son of God.


We must remember that later, or around 65 years after His ascention to the third heaven, or to the next world-Luke 20:v.35-26, JESUS revealed to John the Apostle, and John wrote, that a throne was set in heaven (the third heaven), and one sat on the throne, and he that sat was to look upon like a jasper and a sardine STONE: and there was a rainbow round about the throne, in sight like unto an emerald.

And "round about the throne were four and twenty seats: and upon the seats I saw four and twenty elders sitting, clothed in white raiment; and they had on their heads crowns of gold. And the One was sat on throne was to look upon like a jasper and a sardine stone: and there was a rainbow round about the throne, in sight like unto an emerald.

Here goes who are the 24 elders showed in Revelation 4:v.4 , which were resurrected with many many others when JESUS was crucified:

These were the 24 messengers/prophets in the OT, messengers of the GOD the Father - the Word (the Word is God), beginning by Moses:
1 - Moses
2 - Joshua
3 - Samuel
4 - Ezra
5 - Nehemiah
6 - Job
7 - David
8 - Solomon
9 - Isaiah
10 - Jeremiah
11 - Ezekiel
12 - Daniel
13 - Hosea
14 - Joel
15 - Amos
16 - Obadiah
17 - Jonah
18 - Micah
19 - Nahum
20 - Habakkuk
21 - Zephaniah
22 - Haggai
23 - Zechariah
24 - Malachi
And out of the throne proceeded lightnings and thunderings and voices: and there were seven lamps of fire burning before the throne, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth.

NOTE
There will be again and in the current time a gigantic resurrection- Daniel 12:v.1-3 and 2Thesalonians 4:v.15-16.

Will there be a great and very strong earthquake on the days that comes? We will see.

God bless all

 

[Jay Ross]

Will there be a great and very strong earthquake on the days that comes? We will see.

God bless all

There will not be a strong earthquake such that it will shake the very foundations of the earth itself, but I do know that their will be great turmoil in the people of this world in our near future that will cause panic among the people after the demonic influencers are judged in heaven and kicked out of there, down to the earth to be imprisoned for many days, i.e. for 1,000 years to be precise, in the Bottomless Pit, to await the time of their punishment.

Shalom

 

[marks]

Greetings in Christ JESUS Samara

What you said is really scripturally based. Matthew 27:v.50-54:

50 Jesus, when he had cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the Spirit.

51 And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent;

52 And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose,

53 And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many. (The 24 elders are among them all)

54 Now when the centurion, and they that were with him, watching Jesus, saw the earthquake, and those things that were done, they feared greatly, saying, Truly this was the Son of God.


We must remember that later, or around 65 years after His ascention to the third heaven, or to the next world-Luke 20:v.35-26, JESUS revealed to John the Apostle, and John wrote, that a throne was set in heaven (the third heaven), and one sat on the throne, and he that sat was to look upon like a jasper and a sardine STONE: and there was a rainbow round about the throne, in sight like unto an emerald.

And "round about the throne were four and twenty seats: and upon the seats I saw four and twenty elders sitting, clothed in white raiment; and they had on their heads crowns of gold. And the One was sat on throne was to look upon like a jasper and a sardine stone: and there was a rainbow round about the throne, in sight like unto an emerald.

Here goes who are the 24 elders showed in Revelation 4:v.4 , which were resurrected with many many others when JESUS was crucified:

These were the 24 messengers/prophets in the OT, messengers of the GOD the Father - the Word (the Word is God), beginning by Moses:
1 - Moses
2 - Joshua
3 - Samuel
4 - Ezra
5 - Nehemiah
6 - Job
7 - David
8 - Solomon
9 - Isaiah
10 - Jeremiah
11 - Ezekiel
12 - Daniel
13 - Hosea
14 - Joel
15 - Amos
16 - Obadiah
17 - Jonah
18 - Micah
19 - Nahum
20 - Habakkuk
21 - Zephaniah
22 - Haggai
23 - Zechariah
24 - Malachi
And out of the throne proceeded lightnings and thunderings and voices: and there were seven lamps of fire burning before the throne, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth.

NOTE
There will be again and in the current time a gigantic resurrection- Daniel 12:v.1-3 and 2Thesalonians 4:v.15-16.

Will there be a great and very strong earthquake on the days that comes? We will see.

God bless all

This is interesting!

I have two immediate thoughts, I'm curious your idea on this.

The sons of Rechab were promised to have a man before the Lord forever, perhaps one of these elders is Jonadab?

Jeremiah 35:18-19 KJV
18) And Jeremiah said unto the house of the Rechabites, Thus saith the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel; Because ye have obeyed the commandment of Jonadab your father, and kept all his precepts, and done according unto all that he hath commanded you:
19) Therefore thus saith the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel; Jonadab the son of Rechab shall not want a man to stand before me for ever.

And concerning David, God promised to raise him up to be king over Israel in the regeneration. Perhaps that will be his place?

I'm also reminded that David had appointed 24 courses of priests to represent the people in turn.

Much love!

 

[Davy]

Hi

Why does Jesus have to return if an afterlife ALREADY exists??

Because as written, He must first reign over ALL His enemies.

 

[Oseas]

This is interesting!

I have two immediate thoughts, I'm curious your idea on this.

The sons of Rechab were promised to have a man before the Lord forever, perhaps one of these elders is Jonadab?

Jeremiah 35:18-19 KJV
18) And Jeremiah said unto the house of the Rechabites, Thus saith the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel; Because ye have obeyed the commandment of Jonadab your father, and kept all his precepts, and done according unto all that he hath commanded you:
19) Therefore thus saith the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel; Jonadab the son of Rechab shall not want a man to stand before me for ever.

And concerning David, God promised to raise him up to be king over Israel in the regeneration. Perhaps that will be his place?

I'm also reminded that David had appointed 24 courses of priests to represent the people in turn.

Much love!

The 24 elders are those whom God used to announce His Word to the people of Israel, starting by Moses, whose messages were written, and to this day are the Old Testament. Jonadab is not among the 24 messengers chosen by God to announce His Word, he and his family are in the Bible because they were Israelites, and particularly had adopted a "modus vivendi" based on Jonadab's instructions that were strictly obeyed and set an example for God compare and highlight with Israel's disobedience, as follows:

Jeremiah 35:v.13 to 15
13 Thus says the Lord of hosts, the God of Israel; Go and tell the men of Judah and the inhabitants of Jerusalem, Will ye not receive instruction to hearken to my words? Saith the Lord.
14 The words of Jonadab the son of Rechab, which he commanded his sounds not to drink wine, are performed; for unto this day they drink none, but obey their father's commandment: notwithstanding I have spoken unto you, rising early and speaking; but ye hearkened not unto me.
15 I have also sat upon you all my servants the prophets, rising up early and sending them, saying, Return ye now every man from his evil way, and amend your doings, and go not after other gods to serve them, and ye shall dwell in the land which I have given to you and to your fathers: but ye have not inclined your ear, nor hearkened unto me.


David died as king of Israel and resurrected as had being a king of Israel.

 

[Brakelite]

Why not Noah?

 

[Oseas]

Why not Noah?

If God had not revealed to Moses about Noah nearly 1,000 years after the flood, neither would it have been known that Noah and his ancestors would have existed.

Noah is just a predecessor of Abraham. Noah was a believer in God even though there was no the Word of GOD written for him to believe in God, so, except Noah , all of God's children which kept not their first estate corrupted themselves and perished in the flood.

In fact, there was a direct manifestation of God to Noah around 1.550 years after the fall of Adam, so that Noah and his family could be saved, as God had previously planned even by the birth of Noah - Genesis 5: v.28-29.

Noah is not, nor could he be, one of the 24 elders, authors of the Old Testament.

Again: If God had not revealed to Moses about Noah nearly 1,000 years after the flood, neither would it have been known that Noah and his ancestors would have existed.

 

[Brakelite]

If God had not revealed to Moses about Noah nearly 1,000 years after the flood, neither would it have been known that Noah and his ancestors would have existed.

Noah is just a predecessor of Abraham. Noah was a believer in God even though there was no the Word of GOD written for him to believe in God, so, except Noah , all of God's children which kept not their first estate corrupted themselves and perished in the flood.

In fact, there was a direct manifestation of God to Noah around 1.550 years after the fall of Adam, so that Noah and his family could be saved, as God had previously planned even by the birth of Noah - Genesis 5: v.28-29.

Noah is not, nor could he be, one of the 24 elders, authors of the Old Testament.

Again: If God had not revealed to Moses about Noah nearly 1,000 years after the flood, neither would it have been known that Noah and his ancestors would have existed.

So you're saying that because no-one listened to him, and because no-one even knew about him for so long, this counts against him despite the fact he was a preacher of righteousness for 120 years? And even though the ark is a type of Christ, the sacrifices Noah and his ancestors and his descendants offered being a type of Christ also, and the times in which he lived an eschatological parallel to our time, in your estimation God doesn't count him an elder? I'm not saying whether he is one of the 24 or not, nor am I agreeing with you that the 24 you mention, are any more likely to be among the 24 than the 12 apostles and a random 12 from your local neighborhood, but I think your reasoning however a little weak.

 

[Oseas]

There will not be a strong earthquake such that it will shake the very foundations of the earth itself, but I do know that their will be great turmoil in the people of this world in our near future that will cause panic among the people after the demonic influencers are judged in heaven and kicked out of there, down to the earth to be imprisoned for many days, i.e. for 1,000 years to be precise, in the Bottomless Pit, to await the time of their punishment.

The question remains open. Will there be or not an earthquake if we analyze by analogy what happened in the crucifixion of JESUS and the resurrection of the saints of God? By the way, centuries earlier Isaiah prophesied his own resurrection, saying: Isaiah 26:v.19 - 19 Thy dead men shall live, together with MY DEAD BODY shall they arise. Awake and sing, ye that dwell in dust: for thy dew is as the dew of herbs, and the earth shall cast out the dead. - Well this prophecy of Isaiah about he himself already fulfilled LITERALLY. The Word is GOD.

About turmoil and panic among peoples, what does the Word of GOD say?
Luke 21:v.25-28
25 And there shall be signs...and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring; (sea means peoples, and nations, and multitudes of all tongues).
26 Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.
27 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.
28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.



JESUS was sat upon the mount of Olives. The disciples came unto Him and asked Him:
1 - What shall be the sign of thy coming?
2 - and the sign of the END of the world?

See; the list below is exclusive of events listed by JESUS. It concerns:
(1) the signs of his coming,
(2) and of the END of the (current) world, the Devil's world.

Here goes the answers of JESUS to the questions above made by his disciples:

1 - Take heed that no man deceive you;
2 - For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many;
3 - ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars; see that ye be not troubled
4 - all these things must come to pass; but the END (of the world) is not yet;.
5 - nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom;
6 - and there shall be famines; (Woe of the Devil's world from now on)
7 - and pestilences; (this is already fulfilling LITERALLY)
8 - and earthquakes in divers places,
all these are the beginning of sorrows.

9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of ALL NATIONS for my name's sake. (The nations will be wrathed Revelation 11:v.18)

10 And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another. (This among believers)

11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many. (This among believers)

12 And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold. (This among believers)

13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved. - Revelation 2:v.25 to 29

14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come. -1 Corinthians 15:v.24-26 -

15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso]readeth, let him understand). - To fulfill yet -

The list above concerns the events of JESUS's coming, and of the END of the world. - THE WORD IS GOD -

Be careful or GET READY

 

[Oseas]

So you're saying that because no-one listened to him, and because no-one even knew about him for so long, this counts against him despite the fact he was a preacher of righteousness for 120 years? And even though the ark is a type of Christ, the sacrifices Noah and his ancestors and his descendants offered being a type of Christ also, and the times in which he lived an eschatological parallel to our time, in your estimation God doesn't count him an elder? I'm not saying whether he is one of the 24 or not, nor am I agreeing with you that the 24 you mention, are any more likely to be among the 24 than the 12 apostles and a random 12 from your local neighborhood, but I think your reasoning however a little weak.

I know. But what matters is the Truth. GOD is Truth. The Word is GOD.
Round about the throne were four and twenty seats: and upon the seats four and twenty elders sitting, clothed in white raiment; and they had on their heads crowns of gold. No more, no more, than 24 elders sitting in four and twenty seats.

 

[Oseas]

It is impossible, IMPOSSIBLE COMPLETELY, to the nations to remain with their powerful religious, and politic, and economic systems, among many others devilish systems of them all, it because this current millennium belongs EXCLUSIVELY to the Lord JESUS, and not to them. All their plans, all their targets, all their intentions, all their thoughts, will be FRUSTRATED, yeah, FRUSTRATED by complete, entirely.

The kingdoms of THIS WORLD are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of His Christ; and He shall reign for ever and ever. Rev.11:v.15 - THE WORD IS GOD -

 

[Curtis]

The post resurrected Jesus Christ exists throughout time. The physical birth, physical death had to happen first. After the resurrection, then Christ was seen throughout time.

Not pre-incarnate, but post incarnate.

It is the Second Coming that is pre-trib, not post trib.

Jesus says it’s mid trib, with the son of perdition, a mid trib event, in verse 15, and His coming in verses 30-31.

 

[Curtis]

Yep, your looking at the dead souls of the saints, that are in the Lords spiritual, no literal earthly time exist's in the spiritual realm

Yes you claim that these dead souls are seen upon earth, in a Millennial Kingdom full of mortal humans "Wrong" a fairy tale

Zechariah 14 isn’t a fairy tale.