Ferris Bueller
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There's no evidence he sinned willingly and purposely in a decision to reject God and the promises and go back to his life of sin.
Why do you feel it is so hard to be good?
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Ferris Bueller
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It's apparent that you're the leaven spreader because you never did explain how your Hyper Grace doctrine can get away with contradicting 1 Corinthians 15:2 (which, ironically, is right in the passage you love to use to defend your Hyper Grace gospel).
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Ferris Bueller
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I was kind to him because I knew that he had an emotional disability. You knew that, too, but you beat him cruelly....all in the name of the gospel, of course, just like Paul would do, right?
Ferris Bueller
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Okay, just show us how it is that your Hyper Grace theology can contradict 1 Corinthians 15:2.
1stCenturyLady
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I'm a teacher and can't let it go at that. Matthew 7:21-23. I'm very concerned for the Church and that most of it will not be spotless when He comes.
God knows your Heart....He does not need to see anything external so that you can prove your Faith to Him.....James is talking proving your Faith so that MEN might see it...
A man with NO FAITH ever in his lifetime will be damned.....
A man with Dead Faith will Receive No rewards....
Once again, your confused, opinion ( and that’s all that it is) is worth exactly what I payed for it —- Nothing
Do you put your Complete Trust in Jesus to Save you? You are “ Spotless ”....Christianity 101....
My “ eyes” see well enough to recognize Additions to Paul’s Gospel Of Grace Plus Nothing like “ Lucky Repentance” .....My “eyes” are VERY competent to see Spreaders Of Leaven That are themselves “ Fallen From Grace “ and take unfortunate , poorly taught Newbies down the same sad road.....It really “IS” NOTHING BUT THE BLOOD......some will see that now ....others will see it when it is too late....But I can guarantee you THIS—— they WILL see it.....
“Beat him cruelly?” ...lol.....exaggerate much? How you would LOVE to get people to buy that ....I ridiculed the man’s False, Perverted “ Gospel” that like yours , leads Newbies to “Fall From Grace” and “ Shipwrecks” their Newly - Found Faith before they even have a chance to get started.....read your Bible .....from Elijah to Jesus Himself, there are instances of insult and ridicule .....
Paul Ridiculed The Legalists Of His day, those that we’re obsessed about Circumcision —- “ Why don't you just go ahead and cut the WHOLE THING off!
There is much more.....deal with it .....your full- time “ sweet, lovable” Jesus is a Myth.....
God says He will Damn to Hell ANYBODY that preaches a “gospel” that differs from Paul’s.....justbyfaithplusluckyrepentance preached a False, Perverted Gospel Of “ Lucky Repentance” like you do and you won’t admit it......read for yourself in Gal.1:8 to discover what God has planned for his type .....perhaps you too.....and you think that “ I” am “cruel” ........You guys ain’t seen Nuthin’ yet......
You guys need to “Repent”—— Ironic, ain’t it.....
Okay, just show us how it is that your Hyper Grace theology can contradict 1 Corinthians 15:2
From “Escape to Reality”...... a great site ( unless you are a Stiff- Necked Religionist) Legalists and partakers of “ Milk” be warned—- don’t visit this site without your “ smelling salts” ..... lol...
Now, brothers, I want to remind you of the gospel I preached to you, which you received and on which you have taken your stand. By this gospel you are saved, if you hold firmly to the word I preached to you. Otherwise, you have believed in vain. (1 Cor 15:1-2)
What you look through determines what you see. Read this scripture through works lenses and you will see an exhortation to “hold fast or die!” The message you get will be, “I’ve got to believe and never stop believing and never struggle, never doubt, never waver, otherwise I’m not saved.” And since faith without works is dead, you’ll tell yourself, “I have to prove my faith by producing fruit, keeping the commands, and doing everything the Bible says, or I won’t be saved.”
Don’t be fooled! This performance-oriented mindset will cause you to cut yourself off from Christ and fall from grace. You will end up trusting self and no longer continuing in the faith. I’m not saying that you will lose your salvation, but other bad things could happen to you.
In his letters, the apostle Paul gives us some of the most profound assurances of our salvation. In the passage above he is not preaching conditional salvation. He is not saying, “If you don’t believe perfectly every day of your life, you’re damned.”
The apostle of grace dedicated his life to the gospel of grace. We need to read his words, and indeed the entire Bible, through the lens of grace.
So what does it mean to believe in vain?
The context is resurrection. Paul is saying that if the gospel you hold to doesn’t reveal a resurrected Jesus, then you are believing in vain:
If Christ has not been raised from death, then we have nothing to preach and you have nothing to believe… If Christ has not been raised, your faith is futile; you are still in your sins… (1 Cor 15:14,17)
Some people were saying that Jesus was dead or his resurrection was merely metaphorical. “Believe that,” said Paul, “And your faith is useless. You are believing in vain.” In contrast, the gospel that Paul preached revealed a resurrected Jesus. Look how he hammers this nail in 1 Corinthians 15:
v.4 Christ was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures
v.12 how can some of you say that there is no resurrection of the dead?
v.15 we have testified about God that he raised Christ from the dead
v. 20 Christ has indeed been raised from the dead
Jesus is not a dead martyr, he is a living King. He’s not on the cross, he’s on the throne! It’s essential that you see this.
From “Escape to Reality”...... a great site ( unless you are a Stiff- Necked Religionist) Legalists and partakers of “ Milk” be warned—- don’t visit this site without your “ smelling salts” ..... lol...
Now, brothers, I want to remind you of the gospel I preached to you, which you received and on which you have taken your stand. By this gospel you are saved, if you hold firmly to the word I preached to you. Otherwise, you have believed in vain. (1 Cor 15:1-2)
What you look through determines what you see. Read this scripture through works lenses and you will see an exhortation to “hold fast or die!” The message you get will be, “I’ve got to believe and never stop believing and never struggle, never doubt, never waver, otherwise I’m not saved.” And since faith without works is dead, you’ll tell yourself, “I have to prove my faith by producing fruit, keeping the commands, and doing everything the Bible says, or I won’t be saved.”
Don’t be fooled! This performance-oriented mindset will cause you to cut yourself off from Christ and fall from grace. You will end up trusting self and no longer continuing in the faith. I’m not saying that you will lose your salvation, but other bad things could happen to you.
In his letters, the apostle Paul gives us some of the most profound assurances of our salvation. In the passage above he is not preaching conditional salvation. He is not saying, “If you don’t believe perfectly every day of your life, you’re damned.”
The apostle of grace dedicated his life to the gospel of grace. We need to read his words, and indeed the entire Bible, through the lens of grace.
So what does it mean to believe in vain?
The context is resurrection. Paul is saying that if the gospel you hold to doesn’t reveal a resurrected Jesus, then you are believing in vain:
If Christ has not been raised from death, then we have nothing to preach and you have nothing to believe… If Christ has not been raised, your faith is futile; you are still in your sins… (1 Cor 15:14,17)
Some people were saying that Jesus was dead or his resurrection was merely metaphorical. “Believe that,” said Paul, “And your faith is useless. You are believing in vain.” In contrast, the gospel that Paul preached revealed a resurrected Jesus. Look how he hammers this nail in 1 Corinthians 15:
v.4 Christ was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures
v.12 how can some of you say that there is no resurrection of the dead?
v.15 we have testified about God that he raised Christ from the dead
v. 20 Christ has indeed been raised from the dead
Jesus is not a dead martyr, he is a living King. He’s not on the cross, he’s on the throne! It’s essential that you see this.
Brakelite
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That is true, so thank God we aren't judged as to whether we are saved or not by what's in our hearts right? We are judged by our works. It is our works which testify as to whether we have real faith or not.
Holiness is not our work that we can boast in it, but the work of the Holy Ghost in our lives. For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, (Ephesians 2:10)
Victory over sin is not something we work at, but what the Holy Ghost works in us. For years I taught the grace of God and lived like hell, afraid of "falling from Grace".... till i learned that It is by grace that the Holy Ghost sanctifies the believer unto good works.... Our only responsibility is to yield to the Holy Spirit and allow Him to do his work in us.
Victory over sin is not something we work at, but what the Holy Ghost works in us. For years I taught the grace of God and lived like hell, afraid of "falling from Grace".... till i learned that It is by grace that the Holy Ghost sanctifies the believer unto good works.... Our only responsibility is to yield to the Holy Spirit and allow Him to do his work in us.
Ferris Bueller
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No, lol, that's not the message. It's "I've got to believe and never stop believing, otherwise I'm not saved." Leave that other stuff out. Struggling, doubting, and wavering do not cause you to be damned. Unbelief does.
No, lol, it's "I have to prove my faith by producing fruit, keeping the commands, and doing everything the Bible says, so I can know for sure that I am saved and ready to meet Jesus."
"strive to make your calling and election sure." 2 Peter 1:10
The striving of making your calling and election sure is not what saves. Actually being called and elected does. Works are how we know we believe and are really called and elected and ready to meet Jesus when he returns.
Ferris Bueller
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They were falling away to another gospel, one Paul did not preach to them and the one which saved them. In this case it was a false gospel of a savior that did not rise from the dead. He says they are not saved if they deviate and no longer believe the gospel he preached to them. It is indeed a condition: You have to continue to believe in the gospel by which you were saved to remain saved.
@Gospel Believer @Ferris Bueller
OK, guys, what do you think are biblical sins?
What do you think are man-made sins?
OK, guys, what do you think are biblical sins?
What do you think are man-made sins?
Ferris Bueller
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Exactly!
They were saved by the gospel Paul preached to them. He reminds them of that.
"I want to remind you of the gospel I preached to you, which you received, and in which you stand firm." 1 Corinthians 15:1
Then he tells them they aren't saved and their faith is in vain if they believe in a gospel of an unrisen savior. The important take away here, BB....I mean, GB...is they were indeed saved (see above). But they aren't saved if they change the gospel Paul preached to them and by which they were saved and believe in it instead.
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Ferris Bueller
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Sin is transgression of the law—1 John 3:4
Everyone who practices sin practices lawlessness as well. Indeed, sin is lawlessness."
If you want to know what sin is you look at the law. Which you should agree with since it is the law that exposes and magnifies our sin and, thus, our need for a savior. There are plenty of instances of the NT writers expounding on what the law says we should and should not be doing.
The laws people invent and add on to the law to help us not break the law.
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