The GREAT TRIBULATION Has Begun!

[GEN2REV]

The First Seal
"And I saw when the Lamb opened one of the seals, and I heard, as it were the noise of thunder (often used in scripture to indicate the voice of God) ... And I saw, and behold a white horse (a holy 'appearance') and he that sat on him had a bow; (a symbol of war, chase, to tread, victory, falsehood and deceit) ...

Bow [N]

The bow was in use in early times both in war and in the chase ( Genesis 21:20 ; 27:3 ; 48:22 ). The tribe of Benjamin were famous for the use of the bow ( 1 Chronicles 8:40 ; 12:2 ; 2 Chr 14:8 ; 17:17 ); so also were the Elamites ( Isaiah 22:6 ) and the Lydians ( Jeremiah 46:9 ). The Hebrew word commonly used for bow means properly to tread ( 1 Chronicles 5:18 ; 8:40 ), and hence it is concluded that the foot was employed in bending the bow. Bows of steel (correctly "copper") are mentioned ( 2 Samuel 22:35 ; Psalms 18:34 ).

The arrows were carried in a quiver ( Genesis 27:3 ; Isaiah 22:6 ; 49:2 ; Psalms 127:5 ). They were apparently sometimes shot with some burning material attached to them ( Psalms 120:4 ).

The bow is a symbol of victory ( Psalms 7:12 ). It denotes also falsehood, deceit ( Psalms 64:3 Psalms 64:4 ; Hosea 7:16 ; Jeremiah 9:3 ).
"The use of the bow" in 2 Samuel 1:18 (A.V.)
Bow Definition and Meaning - Bible Dictionary

" ... and a crown was given unto him ('Corona' in Spanish, Italian and Latin): and he went forth conquering and to conquer."

Revelation 6:1-2

 

[Taken]

Jesus was referring to those who would see the signs of the beginning of the Tribulation that He was describing. That generation would also see the end of it all.

That generation; Birds eye view.

 

[Taken]

GEN2REV ~
How does a Converted person not suffer the Wrath which comes down from heaven UPON the unGodly during the Tribulation?

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Curtis]

Tribulation has already past, thinking this and making these connections is an abuse of human intellect and honestly beneath your dignity as someone with the Imago Dei.

I missed it - when did a time of trouble worse than any that ever was, or ever will be, so bad that unless the time was shortened, no flesh would be left alive, with a third of the earth burned to a crisp, one fourth of mankind killed, one third of the oceans sea life dead, 100 lb hailstones, and so scary that men’s hearts fail them from fear of the signs in the heavens and the seas they see, happen?

 

[GEN2REV]

I see the end coming as a sudden destruction in the form of a earthquake which spreads from Israel to the whole earth, followed shortly by a rain of fire and brimstone, so, I'm thinking these are still birth pangs. I think the end when it comes will be far more severe than anything we've seen so far.

Much love!

Of course. But there is a period of time described in scripture that will be an ever-building prelude to the Last Day event of destruction.

 

[Curtis]

The attacks on the holy land are one of many signs of the end times.

Australia, alone, is the picture of government oppression unlike anything ever seen before. After taking firearms away from all of its citizens, it is now free to oppress them like never before. And the Australian government is doing just that.

An entire department of Police in Missouri walked off the job, including the Sheriff, due to unconstitutional Jab mandates. Many military pilots are vacating their positions as well and now there are countless other police and military employees poised to do the same.

When all of the Law Enforcement and Military personnel with a real conscience abandon their responsibilities, the only people who will be stepping up to take their place will be those without one.

They are setting up COVID concentration camps in America right now.

I’ve been saying that the globalists are doing to Australia what they also have planned for America.

 

[Abaxvahl]

I missed it - when did a time of trouble worse than any that ever was, or ever will be, so bad that unless the time was shortened, no flesh would be left alive, with a third of the earth burned to a crisp, one fourth of mankind killed, one third of the oceans sea life dead, 100 lb hailstones, and so scary that men’s hearts fail them from fear of the signs in the heavens and the seas they see, happen?

I have no idea what hermeneutic you are using to come to these ideas. I am still learning eschatology though. Who teaches these things and where are they from, how old is the idea, and the usual questions?

 

[GEN2REV]

They are setting up COVID concentration camps in America right now.

I’ve been saying that the globalists are doing to Australia what they also have planned for America.

Appears that way.

I wonder if they will try and take the guns first, like they did 'Down unda', or if they will come for the 'unloyal-to-the-Beast-System' Miscreants with complete disregard.

Time will tell.

 

[GEN2REV]

I have no idea what hermeneutic you are using to come to these ideas. I am still learning eschatology though. Who teaches these things and where are they from, how old is the idea, and the usual questions?

The Holy Spirit teaches them and they come from His Word.

Believe it or not, they are not cryptic at all.

 

[Abaxvahl]

The Holy Spirit teaches them and they come from His Word.

Believe it or not, they are not cryptic at all.

Okay, I'll look and test the spirits by the Word and "see if these things are so" like the Bereans.

 

[Enoch111]

Unfortunately, it is fair game and the best we can hope for is to completely ignore that aspect of debate in this thread.

We should also ignore the Fake News that the Great Tribulation has begun.

Here is what happens during the Great Tribulation:
REVELATION 16: THE SEVEN VIALS OF GOD'S WRATH
1 And I heard a great voice out of the temple saying to the seven angels, Go your ways, and pour out the vials of the wrath of God upon the earth.
2 And the first went, and poured out his vial upon the earth; and there fell a noisome and grievous sore upon the men which had the mark of the beast, and upon them which worshipped his image.
3 And the second angel poured out his vial upon the sea; and it became as the blood of a dead man: and every living soul died in the sea.
4 And the third angel poured out his vial upon the rivers and fountains of waters; and they became blood.
5 And I heard the angel of the waters say, Thou art righteous, O Lord, which art, and wast, and shalt be, because thou hast judged thus.
6 For they have shed the blood of saints and prophets, and thou hast given them blood to drink; for they are worthy.
7 And I heard another out of the altar say, Even so, Lord God Almighty, true and righteous are thy judgments.
8 And the fourth angel poured out his vial upon the sun; and power was given unto him to scorch men with fire.
9 And men were scorched with great heat, and blasphemed the name of God, which hath power over these plagues: and they repented not to give him glory.
10 And the fifth angel poured out his vial upon the seat of the beast; and his kingdom was full of darkness; and they gnawed their tongues for pain,
11 And blasphemed the God of heaven because of their pains and their sores, and repented not of their deeds.
12 And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared.
13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.
14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.
15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.
16 And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.
17 And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done.
18 And there were voices, and thunders, and lightnings; and there was a great earthquake, such as was not since men were upon the earth, so mighty an earthquake, and so great.
19 And the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath.
20 And every island fled away, and the mountains were not found.
21 And there fell upon men a great hail out of heaven, every stone about the weight of a talent: and men blasphemed God because of the plague of the hail; for the plague thereof was exceeding great.

 

[GEN2REV]

GEN2REV ~
How does a Converted person not suffer the Wrath which comes down from heaven UPON the unGodly during the Tribulation?

Glory to God,
Taken

It's not lost on me that you have a specific answer 'cocked-back' and ready to toss on me when I give you what you consider to be the wrong answer.

I'm not God and I'm not currently in a prophetic trance, but I can give you my best guess based on The Word.

Every case is unique, we all have a very special relationship with God, based on our entire lives and His purposes/plans for us.

"The righteous man shall live by his faith."
Habakkuk 2:4; Romans 1:17; Galatians 3:11; Hebrews 10:38

So, I'd say if you're striving to walk righteously, in God's (Jesus') Way, and you are living by faith (trusting God completely for each and every need in your life) and praying for God to guide you and guard you throughout all things to come, then you probably have a pretty good chance of not drinking of the cup of the wine of God's Wrath intended for all those who loveth and maketh a lie.

On the other hand, if it is not God's will for you to survive the chaos to come, and He decides you need a bit more purification before being allowed into His Kingdom, you will have to endure whatever comes and trust Him anyway.

Having said all that, this thread is not about the Wrath of God. It is about the Great Tribulation that will inaugurate that.

 

[GEN2REV]

Okay, I'll look and test the spirits by the Word and "see if these things are so" like the Bereans.

That's the spirit.

 

[GEN2REV]

We should also ignore the Fake News that the Great Tribulation has begun.

Here is what happens during the Great Tribulation:
REVELATION 16: THE SEVEN VIALS OF GOD'S WRATH
1 And I heard a great voice out of the temple saying to the seven angels, Go your ways, and pour out the vials of the wrath of God upon the earth.
2 And the first went, and poured out his vial upon the earth; and there fell a noisome and grievous sore upon the men which had the mark of the beast, and upon them which worshipped his image.
3 And the second angel poured out his vial upon the sea; and it became as the blood of a dead man: and every living soul died in the sea.
4 And the third angel poured out his vial upon the rivers and fountains of waters; and they became blood.
5 And I heard the angel of the waters say, Thou art righteous, O Lord, which art, and wast, and shalt be, because thou hast judged thus.
6 For they have shed the blood of saints and prophets, and thou hast given them blood to drink; for they are worthy.
7 And I heard another out of the altar say, Even so, Lord God Almighty, true and righteous are thy judgments.
8 And the fourth angel poured out his vial upon the sun; and power was given unto him to scorch men with fire.
9 And men were scorched with great heat, and blasphemed the name of God, which hath power over these plagues: and they repented not to give him glory.
10 And the fifth angel poured out his vial upon the seat of the beast; and his kingdom was full of darkness; and they gnawed their tongues for pain,
11 And blasphemed the God of heaven because of their pains and their sores, and repented not of their deeds.
12 And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared.
13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.
14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.
15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.
16 And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.
17 And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done.
18 And there were voices, and thunders, and lightnings; and there was a great earthquake, such as was not since men were upon the earth, so mighty an earthquake, and so great.
19 And the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath.
20 And every island fled away, and the mountains were not found.
21 And there fell upon men a great hail out of heaven, every stone about the weight of a talent: and men blasphemed God because of the plague of the hail; for the plague thereof was exceeding great.

No, the Wrath is not until the very end.

The Vials are not the Seals.

The Tribulation is not the Wrath of God.

The Seals come first, just as they do in Revelation, and things happen on the earth with each opening Seal.

The Vials come later and commence the ultimate Wrath of God.

 

[K9Buck]

Tribulation has already past, thinking this and making these connections is an abuse of human intellect and honestly beneath your dignity as someone with the Imago Dei.

I went to fry some eggs this morning and broke one of the yolks. It was then that I realized that the tribulation had begun!

 

[Truman]

I went to fry some eggs this morning and broke one of the yolks. It was then that I realized that the tribulation had begun!

Lol!

 

[Stumpmaster]

I went to fry some eggs this morning and broke one of the yolks. It was then that I realized that the tribulation had begun!

Beware the 7th egg then . . .

 

[Truth7t7]

No, the Wrath is not until the very end.

The Vials are not the Seals.

The Tribulation is not the Wrath of God.

The Seals come first, just as they do in Revelation, and things happen on the earth with each opening Seal.

The Vials come later and commence the ultimate Wrath of God.

I agree, Gods wrath seen below, the cup of Gods wrath will be poured out

Revelation 14:10KJV
10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:

Revelation 16:19KJV
19 And the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath.

 

[quietthinker]

We all knew this thread was inevitable. I haven't seen one exactly like this in my time here, but surely there have been a few, I'm guessing.

By what I've seen of the most outspoken voices here, this won't be a fair fight, but that's ok. True Christians were meant to battle giants. And it is God's fight, not ours.

It truly seems silly to even have to debate this, but there are those here with great power who cannot allow this view to stand. It goes against everything they are here to stifle.

If I had the authority, I would completely exclude any debate about Pre-Trib Rapture in this thread because it will no doubt be used extensively to detour this thread and become the war cry of those who oppose the position of the OP; it has been extensively, and repeatedly, proven to be false and I, personally, will not discuss it herein. Unfortunately, it is fair game and the best we can hope for is to completely ignore that aspect of debate in this thread. For those interested in discussing the Titled position, please refrain from addressing Pre-Trib and stick to the information being presented to discuss this case. Any and all scriptural proof otherwise to counter the views of the OP are welcomed.

The Seven Seals are a good place to start to build my case that this has begun. The First Seal presents the Antichrist. (Revelation 6:1-2) He rides a white horse (has a holy appearance), speaks of peace (his message seems caring), and gives the widely-assumed impression of having the people's best interest at heart. This marks the beginning of the Great Tribulation.

Not only do all of these characteristics fit the Pope and the Vatican church perfectly, but it is very interesting to note the recent statement by the Pope that it is perfectly ok for people to take the Jab despite the use of fetal cells in its makeup. (There are countless news articles about this - easy to find)

Within the description of the First Seal is the giving of a Crown to the Antichrist. This gives him great power and authority from the devil to administer his way throughout the world. Would you find it interesting to know that the word 'Crown' in Spanish, Italian and Latin is 'Corona'? The Vatican city's only official language is Italian; and Latin has long been known as a Biblical language. Many of the books concerning spells and ritual magic, as well as parameters for occultic sacrifice, are also written in Latin.

The Second Seal introduces great warfare upon the earth. It is symbolized by a rider with a large sword upon a fiery red horse. Red symbolizes blood and martyrdom and the Bible is clear that many will die fighting against the power of the Antichrist in the end times.

"When He opened the Second Seal, ... out came another horse, bright red, Its rider was permitted to take peace from the earth, so that people should slay one another, ..."
Revelation 6:3-4

If you can't see, through the past two decades, many signs of continuing world calamities as well as the inevitable disaster that is right around the corner due to the Jab mandates all over the world, you will also refuse to see that we are very clearly within the beginning of the Great Tribulation ... and you will not prepare your soul for what is to come until it is too late.

You've heard of the story no doubt of the boy who cried wolf?.....yes, the many false alarms set the people up to disregard the call when the wolf actually did appear.
Be assured, the tribulation expected will have an intensity that dwarfs what is going on currently.

 

[quietthinker]

I agree, Gods wrath seen below, the cup of Gods wrath will be poured out

Revelation 14:10KJV
10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:

Revelation 16:19KJV
19 And the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath.

Tell me how this works.... from one side of the mouth God's love toward his creatures is proclaimed then from the other side of the same mouth God's wrath is proclaimed??

Have we misunderstood something? or is God schizophrenic?