The GREAT TRIBULATION Has Begun!

[GEN2REV]

QT, I know that you are familiar enough with this place to agree that there are those who are intentionally confusing, saying one thing only to contradict themselves with a different position in their very next post, just to be a confusing deflection from the topic at hand. So, I trust you won't take it personally when I say I am confused by some of your posts.

Here, you state how serious the Tribulation will be.

Be assured, the tribulation expected will have an intensity that dwarfs what is going on currently.

Then here, you seem to question the Wrath of God altogether.

Tell me how this works.... from one side of the mouth God's love toward his creatures is proclaimed then from the other side of the same mouth God's wrath is proclaimed??

Have we misunderstood something? or is God schizophrenic?

Maybe, I just misunderstood. Highly possible.

If Jesus is the same yesterday, today and forever; if his living and dying is a revelation of the character of God then things do not jive with our understanding of the Wrath of God.....that's a fair comment isn't it?.....and it begs the question, where and what have we misunderstood in relation to this?

To answer this part of your question, I, personally, believe that those who accept God's love for humanity, as a general blanket concept of who He is, do not have a good grasp of scripture. That's my opinion and it's not necessarily at you, but many have been brainwashed to believe that's all God is; ... love.

There is SO much more to the story.

When you have all the pieces of the puzzle in place, and understand the bigger picture as a whole, it is not only much easier to understand how God can come with a vicious Wrath upon the world He created and the inhabitants therein, but it actually makes you feel closer to Him as a Christian. Absolutely NOBODY has been more maligned and slandered than God. Those He loves, He loves in a very special way.

Consider these variables:
-The concept of the Wheat and the Tares: not all people are God's, many are of the devil. That is supported throughout scripture, OT AND NT.
-All of the countless verses in the Psalms that reveal how God REALLY feels about sinners: he sends sinners to hell, NOT their sins. 'Love the sinner, hate the sin' is NONSENSE!
-Consider how matter of fact Jesus presents the 'Lord, Lord' verses we've all heard so many times describing the many who will be turned away in the end.
-Not only have people been corrupted by evil in this world, but the entire earth, every plant, animal, lake, river, ocean, ecosystem, etc. has been corrupted by evil and sin. NONE of it is the way God created it anymore.

To say, or imply, that God is schizophrenic - heaven forbid - for His judgment upon a 'far-worse-than-fallen' world is the real schizophrenia, if you ask me. God's judgments and opinions are sacred and holy and PERFECT. And that is ALL that we should think of them. Who are we to judge the Potter when we are but the lowly clay?

 

[Stumpmaster]

If we conclude our cognitive dissonance on this matter is acceptable, we then have without question a schizophrenic God....

Best to avoid defaming, denigrating, and denying the infallibility of God.

2Ti 2:11-13 This is a faithful saying: For if we died with Him, We shall also live with Him. (12) If we endure, We shall also reign with Him. If we deny Him, He also will deny us. (13) If we are faithless, He remains faithful; He cannot deny Himself.

 

[Curtis]

There are so many assumptions that are made without having thought through what those assumptions are based on.....one of the is 'the Wrath of God'.
I'm supposed to know better yet the 'better' that I'm supposed to know is premised on the assumption that it is God who brings calamity and destroys sinners at the end of the age.

If Jesus is the same yesterday, today and forever; if his living and dying is a revelation of the character of God then things do not jive with our understanding of the Wrath of God.....that's a fair comment isn't it?.....and it begs the question, where and what have we misunderstood in relation to this?

If we conclude our cognitive dissonance on this matter is acceptable, we then have without question a schizophrenic God.....and do we really want to settle for that?....or have we the courage to question our holy grail assumptions?

Here’s what Jesus does at His second coming:

2Th 1:7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,

2Th 1:8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:

2Th 1:9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

2Th 1:10 When he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe (because our testimony among you was believed) in that day.

Rev 19:11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.

Rev 19:12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.

Rev 19:13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.

Rev 19:14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.

Rev 19:15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.

Rev 19:16 And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.

Maranatha

 

[quietthinker]

QT, I know that you are familiar enough with this place to agree that there are those who are intentionally confusing, saying one thing only to contradict themselves with a different position in their very next post, just to be a confusing deflection from the topic at hand. So, I trust you won't take it personally when I say I am confused by some of your posts.

Here, you state how serious the Tribulation will be.


Then here, you seem to question the Wrath of God altogether.

Maybe, I just misunderstood. Highly possible.
To answer this part of your question, I, personally, believe that those who accept God's love for humanity as a general blanket concept of who He is do not have a good grasp of scripture. That's my opinion and it's not necessarily at you, but many have been brainwashed to believe that's all God is; ... love.

There is SO much more to the story.

When you have all the pieces of the puzzle in place, and understand the bigger picture as a whole, it is not only much easier to understand how God can come with a vicious Wrath upon the world He created and the inhabitants therein, but it actually makes you feel closer to Him as a Christian. Absolutely NOBODY has been more maligned and slandered than God. Those He loves, He loves in a very special way.

Consider these variables:
-The concept of the Wheat and the Tares: not all people are God's, many are of the devil. That is supported throughout scripture, OT AND NT.
-All of the countless verses in the Psalms that reveal how God REALLY feels about sinners: he sends sinners to hell, NOT their sins. 'Love the sinner, hate the sin' is NONSENSE!
-Consider how matter of fact Jesus presents the 'Lord, Lord' verses we've all heard so many times describing the many who will be turned away in the end.
-Not only have people been corrupted by evil in this world, but the entire earth, every plant, animal, lake, river, ocean, ecosystem, etc. has been corrupted by evil and sin. NONE of it is the way God created it anymore.

To say, or imply, that God is schizophrenic - heaven forbid - for His judgment upon a 'far-worse-than-fallen' world is the real schizophrenia, if you ask me. God's judgments and opinions are sacred and holy and PERFECT. And that is ALL that we should think of them. Who are we to judge the Potter when we are the lowly clay?

I'm going to have to dive in here somewhere to give an explanation for what appears confusing to you GEN2REV, so here it goes....

First assumption made is that scripture is the imprint of pure and accurate thought and conclusions, eg...we read of David killing his thousands as well as wishing terrible things on his enemies and Elijah slaying the 400 Prophets of Baal or incinerating at least two groups of 50 soldiers who came to arrest him by calling fire down from heaven as if this was God sanctioned practice. We do not read it as an account of events independent of God's approval.

We know from the story of Jona that God had quiet different ideas to what Jona was expecting.

Second assumption made is believing that how we see/understand scripture today is how Old Testament folks saw as well, eg.....OT folk believed that all things both good and bad originates with God....and the prophets wrote in those terms. Here's a text to illustrate ...Isaiah 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things.
Job for instance thought it was God who afflicted him but we know what Job didn't....we know it was that rascally fallen angel we call Satan who did the afflicting.

I could go on but to keep it to the point these couple of illustrations will do.

Then Jesus comes on the scene and reveals that it is the Devils who comes to steal and kill and destroy; information we read back into the Old Testament writings, oblivious that we are doing it.
Jesus tells us love our enemies, not hate them or slaughter them

Then Paul says in 1 Corinthians 13 that love holds no record of wrongs....really?....how does that sit with our idea of judgement?....even God's judgement??

The disciples had inherited all sorts of OT views about God and his plans however, Jesus takes them up a mountain and is transfigured before them; we know the story, then a voice tells them and this voice came for them 'this is my Son, listen to him'. Something similar happened at Jesus' baptism. I ask, what is it saying? and I conclude that Jesus is the final authority...not their preconceptions or their prejudices of right, wrong or otherwise gleaned from their forbears.
Jesus gives us an unprecedented window into God's character ....not only with his words but he puts his life on the line. Can you believe it?? Jesus is saying with his actions that he would rather die than kill anybody....that's the truth of the matter and I say respectfully, let it sink in....marinate in it.

Soooo, in the light of this I would ask how do we understand the 'Wrath of God'??

Would it be too much of a leap to suggest that 'we' actually kill ourselves.....our deception is so deeply rooted and our denial so absolute that we actually think God is going to be doing what we in truth desire for our 'enemies'....ie, get revenge.

 

[quietthinker]

Best to avoid defaming, denegrating, and denying the infallibility of God.

2Ti 2:11-13 This is a faithful saying: For if we died with Him, We shall also live with Him. (12) If we endure, We shall also reign with Him. If we deny Him, He also will deny us. (13) If we are faithless, He remains faithful; He cannot deny Himself.

I don't think God is that fragile that he would not allow candid talk. Jesus demonstrates his resilience to skewed perceptions by allowing himself to be killed....yes killed, contrary to anything man could or would imagine .....I'm certain he would welcome any attempt to pry him out of the stained glass we have fixed him into.

 

[quietthinker]

Rev 19:11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.

How do we see righteousness demonstrated in Jesus life on earth?

2Th 1:8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:

Flaming fire surrounds God's throne yet the angels are not consumed
Flaming fire does not harm those in harmony with it.

When the inhabitants call for the rocks and the mountains to fall on them when Jesus returns they see him as a lamb because they say 'Fall on us and hide us from the face of Him who sits on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb! ....are lambs wrathful or is it their perception?

God's Glory is of such a nature that all out of step with it find it threatening.....it doesn't mean that God is proactive in their destruction, it means they would rather die than come clean.....they are so opposed the consequence (not arbitrary punishment) is devastating.

 

[Truth7t7]

How do we see righteousness demonstrated in Jesus life on earth?

Flaming fire surrounds God's throne yet the angels are not consumed
Flaming fire does not harm those in harmony with it.

When the inhabitants call for the rocks and the mountains to fall on them when Jesus returns they see him as a lamb because they say 'Fall on us and hide us from the face of Him who sits on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb! ....are lambs wrathful or is it their perception?

God's Glory is of such a nature that all out of step with it find it threatening.....it doesn't mean that God is proactive in their destruction, it means they would rather die than come clean.....they are so opposed the consequence (not arbitrary punishment) is devastating.

Jesus Christ Returns In Fire And Final Judgement, Dissolving This Existing Earth By Fire, Immediately After The Tribulation?

This Existing Heaven And Earth Will Be (Replaced) By The New Heaven, Earth, Jerusalem, A New Creation, At The Return Of Jesus Christ?

(Behold, I Make All Things New)

2 Peter 3:10-13KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

Revelation 21:1-5KJV
1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.

Matthew 24:29-30KJV
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

1 Corinthians 3:13KJV
13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.

Luke 17:29-30KJV
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

2 Thessalonians 1:7-9KJV
7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

Malachi 3:2KJV
2 But who may abide the day of his coming? and who shall stand when he appeareth? for he is like a refiner's fire, and like fullers' soap:

Psalm 46:6KJV
6 The heathen raged, the kingdoms were moved: he uttered his voice, the earth melted.

Psalm 50:3KJV
3 Our God shall come, and shall not keep silence: a fire shall devour before him, and it shall be very tempestuous round about him.

Psalm 97:5KJV
5 The hills melted like wax at the presence of the Lord, at the presence of the Lord of the whole earth.

Isaiah 66:15KJV
15 For, behold, the Lord will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire.

Zechariah 14:12KJV
12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the Lord will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.

Nahum 1:5-6KJV
5 The mountains quake at him, and the hills melt, and the earth is burned at his presence, yea, the world, and all that dwell therein.
6 Who can stand before his indignation? and who can abide in the fierceness of his anger? his fury is poured out like fire, and the rocks are thrown down by him.

Revelation 20:9KJV
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

 

[Curtis]

How do we see righteousness demonstrated in Jesus life on earth?

Flaming fire surrounds God's throne yet the angels are not consumed
Flaming fire does not harm those in harmony with it.

When the inhabitants call for the rocks and the mountains to fall on them when Jesus returns they see him as a lamb because they say 'Fall on us and hide us from the face of Him who sits on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb! ....are lambs wrathful or is it their perception?

God's Glory is of such a nature that all out of step with it find it threatening.....it doesn't mean that God is proactive in their destruction, it means they would rather die than come clean.....they are so opposed the consequence (not arbitrary punishment) is devastating.

The rest of the revelation passage I sent, contradicts your explanation:

Rev 19:11 Then I saw heaven opened, and behold, a white horse! The one sitting on it is called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he judges and makes war.

Rev 19:12 His eyes are like a flame of fire, and on his head are many diadems, and he has a name written that no one knows but himself.

Rev 19:13 He is clothed in a robe dipped in blood, and the name by which he is called is The Word of God.

Rev 19:14 And the armies of heaven, arrayed in fine linen, white and pure, were following him on white horses.

Rev 19:15 From his mouth comes a sharp sword with which to strike down the nations, and he will rule them with a rod of iron. He will tread the winepress of the fury of the wrath of God the Almighty.

Rev 19:16 On his robe and on his thigh he has a name written, King of kings and Lord of lords.

Rev 19:17 Then I saw an angel standing in the sun, and with a loud voice he called to all the birds that fly directly overhead, “Come, gather for the great supper of God,

Rev 19:18 to eat the flesh of kings, the flesh of captains, the flesh of mighty men, the flesh of horses and their riders, and the flesh of all men, both free and slave, both small and great.”

Rev 19:19 And I saw the beast and the kings of the earth with their armies gathered to make war against him who was sitting on the horse and against his army.

Rev 19:20 And the beast was captured, and with it the false prophet who in its presence had done the signs by which he deceived those who had received the mark of the beast and those who worshiped its image. These two were thrown alive into the lake of fire that burns with sulfur.

Rev 19:21 And the rest were slain by the sword that came from the mouth of him who was sitting on the horse, and all the birds were gorged with their flesh.

 

[MatthewG]

Hello @Truth7t7

I have a question

If this world is suppose to pass away when we are alive and the return happens won’t the destruction of the earth render Jesus Christ words never going away for people to learn from?

Won’t that prevent others from entering into the kingdom of heaven?

 

[Truth7t7]

Hello @Truth7t7

I have a question

If this world is suppose to pass away when we are alive and the return happens won’t the destruction of the earth render Jesus Christ words never going away for people to learn from?

Won’t that prevent others from entering into the kingdom of heaven?

Scripture clearly teaches Jesus Christ returns in the last day resurrection of all that have lived john 5:28-29, John 6:39-40, at this time the living in Christ are caught up, as the glorified bodies are received, "Then" the heaven and earth are dissolved by fire

All in the "Twinkling Of An Eye" 1 Corinthians 15:51-54

 

[Taken]

I don't think God is that fragile that he would not allow candid talk. Jesus demonstrates his resilience to skewed perceptions by allowing himself to be killed....yes killed, contrary to anything man could or would imagine .....I'm certain he would welcome any attempt to pry him out of the stained glass we have fixed him into.

Candid talk...agree.
Killed...a body of flesh and blood in the Likeness of men, God prepared, for an example for men to SEE (who could not believe by hearing or believe by being foretold and then seeing the works come to pass).
Stained glass...brilliant comment.

 

[Curtis]

The prophet Zechariah disagrees.

 

[Enoch111]

Scripture clearly teaches Jesus Christ returns in the last day resurrection of all that have lived

You still don't get it. "The last day" is a metaphor for an extended period of time which lasts for over 1,000 years. Your moniker has "truth" in it, but you have no interest in the truth. The resurrection of the just and the unjust is NOT in one 24-hour day, but separated by more than 1,000 years. Also the Bible does say that in God's eyes one day is as a 1,000 years, and a 1,000 years as one day.

 

[Taken]

Scripture clearly teaches Jesus Christ returns in the last day resurrection of all that have lived john 5:28-29, John 6:39-40, at this time the living in Christ are caught up, as the glorified bodies are received, "Then" the heaven and earth are dissolved by fire

All in the "Twinkling Of An Eye" 1 Corinthians 15:51-54

Last day resurrection...Jesus Christ returns...to a corrupt earth?

Glorifed bodies of men are raised...at "this" time men in Christ are raised up...(same last day resurrection is 'this" time?)

After Bodies that will be raised in glory ARE raised....they are raised to WHERE? A corrupt earth? And then while ON Earth...the Earth is dissolved by Fire?

 

[MatthewG]

Okay, that is alright if you do not want to answer my question.

I’ll explain to you my position though @Truth7t7

“‘These things that ye behold — days will come, in which there shall not be left a stone upon a stone, that shall not be thrown down.’ And they questioned him, saying, ‘Teacher, when, then, shall these things be? and what [is] the sign when these things may be about to happen?’”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭21:6-7‬ ‭YLT98‬‬
Luke 21:6-7 ‘These things that ye behold — days will come, in which there shall not be left a stone upon a stone, that shall not be thrown down.’ And they questioned him, saying, ‘Teacher, when, then, shall these | Young's Literal Translation 1898 (YLT98) | Download The Bible App Now

Jesus is being ask a question by the disciples and he answers them by telling them what would happen, at the end of it says this.


“verily I say to you — This generation may not pass away till all may have come to pass; the heaven and the earth shall pass away, but my words may not pass away.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭21:32-33‬ ‭YLT98‬‬
Luke 21:33 the heaven and the earth shall pass away, but my words may not pass away. | Young's Literal Translation 1898 (YLT98) | Download The Bible App Now

In this passage Jesus has answered them the question in which they desired to know.

He explains to them that their life will pass away ; and heaven and earth will be no longer because of death. Though because of their death it will not cease Jesus’s words from stop existing in the world itself.

A new heaven a new earth to me is a spiritual figurative language in which is talking about being born again.

I could be wrong though.

I see no end to earth here, and I see no end to Jesus and his words ever stopping to exist. Because He himself says so.

There is also this scripture


“A generation is going, and a generation is coming, and the earth to the age is standing.”
‭‭Ecclesiastes‬ ‭1:4‬ ‭YLT98‬‬
Ecclesiastes 1:4 A generation is going, and a generation is coming, and the earth to the age is standing. | Young's Literal Translation 1898 (YLT98) | Download The Bible App Now


“He hath founded earth on its bases, It is not moved to the age and for ever.”
‭‭Psalms‬ ‭104:5‬ ‭YLT98‬‬
Psalms 104:5 He hath founded earth on its bases, It is not moved to the age and for ever. | Young's Literal Translation 1898 (YLT98) | Download The Bible App Now

 

[Taken]

The prophet Zechariah disagrees.

With what?

 

[Stumpmaster]

I don't think God is that fragile that he would not allow candid talk. Jesus demonstrates his resilience to skewed perceptions by allowing himself to be killed....yes killed, contrary to anything man could or would imagine .....I'm certain he would welcome any attempt to pry him out of the stained glass we have fixed him into.

Of course nothing can harm or dethrone God, and misinterpreting His actions as schizophrenic won't exhaust His patience, but the wilfully ignorant and stubborn resistance to His Word and His Will as revealed in Scripture does invite correction, chastisement and punishment.

Best not to test Him.

 

[Truth7t7]

You still don't get it. "The last day" is a metaphor for an extended period of time which lasts for over 1,000 years. Your moniker has "truth" in it, but you have no interest in the truth. The resurrection of the just and the unjust is NOT in one 24-hour day, but separated by more than 1,000 years. Also the Bible does say that in God's eyes one day is as a 1,000 years, and a 1,000 years as one day.

That is your "opinion" that the (Last Day) is 1,000+ years long

Jesus Christ taught that every man will be judged on this (Last Day) and your 1,000+ year "opinion" is one Long Judgement, Smiles!

John 12:48KJV
48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

 

[Truth7t7]

Last day resurrection...Jesus Christ returns...to a corrupt earth?

Glorifed bodies of men are raised...at "this" time men in Christ are raised up...(same last day resurrection is 'this" time?)

After Bodies that will be raised in glory ARE raised....they are raised to WHERE? A corrupt earth? And then while ON Earth...the Earth is dissolved by Fire?

The Eternal Kingdom!

Revelation 21:1-5KJV
1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.

 

[Truth7t7]

Okay, that is alright if you do not want to answer my question.

I’ll explain to you my position though @Truth7t7

“‘These things that ye behold — days will come, in which there shall not be left a stone upon a stone, that shall not be thrown down.’ And they questioned him, saying, ‘Teacher, when, then, shall these things be? and what [is] the sign when these things may be about to happen?’”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭21:6-7‬ ‭YLT98‬‬
Luke 21:6-7 ‘These things that ye behold — days will come, in which there shall not be left a stone upon a stone, that shall not be thrown down.’ And they questioned him, saying, ‘Teacher, when, then, shall these | Young's Literal Translation 1898 (YLT98) | Download The Bible App Now

Jesus is being ask a question by the disciples and he answers them by telling them what would happen, at the end of it says this.


“verily I say to you — This generation may not pass away till all may have come to pass; the heaven and the earth shall pass away, but my words may not pass away.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭21:32-33‬ ‭YLT98‬‬
Luke 21:33 the heaven and the earth shall pass away, but my words may not pass away. | Young's Literal Translation 1898 (YLT98) | Download The Bible App Now

In this passage Jesus has answered them the question in which they desired to know.

He explains to them that their life will pass away ; and heaven and earth will be no longer because of death. Though because of their death it will not cease Jesus’s words from stop existing in the world itself.

A new heaven a new earth to me is a spiritual figurative language in which is talking about being born again.

I could be wrong though.

I see no end to earth here, and I see no end to Jesus and his words ever stopping to exist. Because He himself says so.

There is also this scripture


“A generation is going, and a generation is coming, and the earth to the age is standing.”
‭‭Ecclesiastes‬ ‭1:4‬ ‭YLT98‬‬
Ecclesiastes 1:4 A generation is going, and a generation is coming, and the earth to the age is standing. | Young's Literal Translation 1898 (YLT98) | Download The Bible App Now


“He hath founded earth on its bases, It is not moved to the age and for ever.”
‭‭Psalms‬ ‭104:5‬ ‭YLT98‬‬
Psalms 104:5 He hath founded earth on its bases, It is not moved to the age and for ever. | Young's Literal Translation 1898 (YLT98) | Download The Bible App Now

Thanks For The Response We will disagree

The existing heavens and earth will be dissolved by the Lords fire in judgement at his return, as all are judged by this fire, as the New Heaven, Earth, Jerusalem are revealed for eternity

The Eternal Kingdom For The Righteous, The Eternal Lake Of Fire For The Wicked (The End)

Jesus Christ Returns In Fire And Final Judgement, Dissolving This Existing Earth By Fire, Immediately After The Tribulation?

This Existing Heaven And Earth Will Be (Replaced) By The New Heaven, Earth, Jerusalem, A New Creation, At The Return Of Jesus Christ?

(Behold, I Make All Things New)

2 Peter 3:10-13KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

Revelation 21:1-5KJV
1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.

Matthew 24:29-30KJV
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

1 Corinthians 3:13KJV
13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.

Luke 17:29-30KJV
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

2 Thessalonians 1:7-9KJV
7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

Malachi 3:2KJV
2 But who may abide the day of his coming? and who shall stand when he appeareth? for he is like a refiner's fire, and like fullers' soap:

Psalm 46:6KJV
6 The heathen raged, the kingdoms were moved: he uttered his voice, the earth melted.

Psalm 50:3KJV
3 Our God shall come, and shall not keep silence: a fire shall devour before him, and it shall be very tempestuous round about him.

Psalm 97:5KJV
5 The hills melted like wax at the presence of the Lord, at the presence of the Lord of the whole earth.

Isaiah 66:15KJV
15 For, behold, the Lord will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire.

Zechariah 14:12KJV
12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the Lord will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.

Nahum 1:5-6KJV
5 The mountains quake at him, and the hills melt, and the earth is burned at his presence, yea, the world, and all that dwell therein.
6 Who can stand before his indignation? and who can abide in the fierceness of his anger? his fury is poured out like fire, and the rocks are thrown down by him.

Revelation 20:9KJV
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.