We all knew this thread was inevitable. I haven't seen one exactly like this in my time here, but surely there have been a few, I'm guessing.
By what I've seen of the most outspoken voices here, this won't be a fair fight, but that's ok. True Christians were meant to battle giants. And it is God's fight, not ours.
It truly seems silly to even have to debate this, but there are those here with great power who cannot allow this view to stand. It goes against everything they are here to stifle.
If I had the authority, I would completely exclude any debate about Pre-Trib Rapture in this thread because it will no doubt be used extensively to detour this thread and become the war cry of those who oppose the position of the OP; it has been extensively, and repeatedly, proven to be false and I, personally, will not discuss it herein. Unfortunately, it is fair game and the best we can hope for is to completely ignore that aspect of debate in this thread. For those interested in discussing the Titled position, please refrain from addressing Pre-Trib and stick to the information being presented to discuss this case. Any and all scriptural proof otherwise to counter the views of the OP are welcomed.
The Seven Seals are a good place to start to build my case that this has begun. The First Seal presents the Antichrist. (Revelation 6:1-2) He rides a white horse (has a holy appearance), speaks of peace (his message seems caring), and gives the widely-assumed impression of having the people's best interest at heart. This marks the beginning of the Great Tribulation.
Not only do all of these characteristics fit the Pope and the Vatican church perfectly, but it is very interesting to note the recent statement by the Pope that it is perfectly ok for people to take the Jab despite the use of fetal cells in its makeup. (There are countless news articles about this - easy to find)
Within the description of the First Seal is the giving of a Crown to the Antichrist. This gives him great power and authority from the devil to administer his way throughout the world. Would you find it interesting to know that the word 'Crown' in Spanish, Italian and Latin is 'Corona'? The Vatican city's only official language is Italian; and Latin has long been known as a Biblical language. Many of the books concerning spells and ritual magic, as well as parameters for occultic sacrifice, are also written in Latin.
The Second Seal introduces great warfare upon the earth. It is symbolized by a rider with a large sword upon a fiery red horse. Red symbolizes blood and martyrdom and the Bible is clear that many will die fighting against the power of the Antichrist in the end times.
"When He opened the Second Seal, ... out came another horse, bright red, Its rider was permitted to take peace from the earth, so that people should slay one another, ..."
Revelation 6:3-4
If you can't see, through the past two decades, many signs of continuing world calamities as well as the inevitable disaster that is right around the corner due to the Jab mandates all over the world, you will also refuse to see that we are very clearly within the beginning of the Great Tribulation ... and you will not prepare your soul for what is to come until it is too late.
By what I've seen of the most outspoken voices here, this won't be a fair fight, but that's ok. True Christians were meant to battle giants. And it is God's fight, not ours.
It truly seems silly to even have to debate this, but there are those here with great power who cannot allow this view to stand. It goes against everything they are here to stifle.
If I had the authority, I would completely exclude any debate about Pre-Trib Rapture in this thread because it will no doubt be used extensively to detour this thread and become the war cry of those who oppose the position of the OP; it has been extensively, and repeatedly, proven to be false and I, personally, will not discuss it herein. Unfortunately, it is fair game and the best we can hope for is to completely ignore that aspect of debate in this thread. For those interested in discussing the Titled position, please refrain from addressing Pre-Trib and stick to the information being presented to discuss this case. Any and all scriptural proof otherwise to counter the views of the OP are welcomed.
The Seven Seals are a good place to start to build my case that this has begun. The First Seal presents the Antichrist. (Revelation 6:1-2) He rides a white horse (has a holy appearance), speaks of peace (his message seems caring), and gives the widely-assumed impression of having the people's best interest at heart. This marks the beginning of the Great Tribulation.
Not only do all of these characteristics fit the Pope and the Vatican church perfectly, but it is very interesting to note the recent statement by the Pope that it is perfectly ok for people to take the Jab despite the use of fetal cells in its makeup. (There are countless news articles about this - easy to find)
Within the description of the First Seal is the giving of a Crown to the Antichrist. This gives him great power and authority from the devil to administer his way throughout the world. Would you find it interesting to know that the word 'Crown' in Spanish, Italian and Latin is 'Corona'? The Vatican city's only official language is Italian; and Latin has long been known as a Biblical language. Many of the books concerning spells and ritual magic, as well as parameters for occultic sacrifice, are also written in Latin.
The Second Seal introduces great warfare upon the earth. It is symbolized by a rider with a large sword upon a fiery red horse. Red symbolizes blood and martyrdom and the Bible is clear that many will die fighting against the power of the Antichrist in the end times.
"When He opened the Second Seal, ... out came another horse, bright red, Its rider was permitted to take peace from the earth, so that people should slay one another, ..."
Revelation 6:3-4
If you can't see, through the past two decades, many signs of continuing world calamities as well as the inevitable disaster that is right around the corner due to the Jab mandates all over the world, you will also refuse to see that we are very clearly within the beginning of the Great Tribulation ... and you will not prepare your soul for what is to come until it is too late.
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