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why does he say explicitly “this promise is to you’re children “????????
promise from God is a sacred oath aka a sacrament
It’s not a bible study!
It’s a covenant!
Not by “faith alone”
“Faith alone” not biblical
“Faith alone” never given in prophesy in the OT.
You may think “Accept Jesus Christ as you personal Lord and savior” is biblical but there is no such verse in your bible!
Faith and the sacraments in the church founded by the authority Christ on Peter and the apostles is biblical!
Faith and baptism is the biblical initiation into the new covenant and member is Christ and His holy church!
Ez 36:25-27 Mk 16:16 acts 8:36-38
You cannot enter a covenant by “faith alone” must be a ritual outward sign!
Faith and baptism! Mk 16:16 acts 8:36-38
Merits of christ’s passion, death, and precious blood are applied in the sacraments! Jn 1:16
Colossians 1:20
And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.
Matt 26:28 For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.
Acts 22:16
And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.
Rom 3:24
Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:
1 pet 1:2 Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.
Heb 10:22
Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water.
Acts 2:47
Praising God, and having favour with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved.
1 Corinthians 12:13
For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.
Galatians 3:27
For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
Lk 1: 72 To perform the mercy promised to our fathers, and to remember his holy covenant;
73 The oath which he sware to our father Abraham,
74 That he would grant unto us, that we being delivered out of the hand of our enemies might serve him without fear,
There is only one true church founded by Christ on Peter and the apostles and their successors is the new covenant body of Christ! Matt 1:18 & Jn 10:16 one fold
1 Timothy 3:15
But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth.
Christ and His church are one: acts 9 why persecute me?
Eph 1:13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
Sacraments are the fruit of the sacrifice!
The holy sacrifice of Christ, His passion, blood, and death producing unlimited fruits of divine grace, actual and sanctifying grace! Jn 1:29 Jn 1:16-17 Jn 10:10
“This promise” (sacred oath of God or sacrament) of the Father acts 2:38-39 with reference to ez 36:25-27 Also a mystery Mk 4:11 Eph 5:32 eph 6:19 1 Tim 3:9 3:16 Col 1:27 2:2 4:3
Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.
Ez 36:25 Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you.
26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.
27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.
Jn 3:5 born again by water and the spirit.
Heb 7:21 For those priests were made without an oath; but this with an oath by him that said unto him, The Lord sware and will not repent, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec
(Oath = sacrament)
Hebrews 8:6
But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises. Based on Jer 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
A promise is a sacred oath or sacrament!
Baptismal regeneration is the promise of the Father for union in the new covenant!
The church and the seven sacraments are necessary for salvation
Better covenant on better promises
2 Timothy 1:1
Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, according to the promise of life which is in Christ Jesus,
Life of supernatural grace merited by Christ in His passion and death!
An oath to sacramental life in the new covenant in union with the mediator and communion with God, and the saints!
Promise of the Father acts 2:23-39
Promise is an oath and an oath is a sacrament! This promise of the sacrament of baptism refers to ez. 36:25-27
1 Corinthians 12:13
For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.
Galatians 3:27
For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
1 Pet 3:20
Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.
21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us!
(Ark of Noah a type of the church, member of Christ and his church and salvation by baptism!)
(Outside the ark all died and outside the church there is no salvation!)
St. Paul tells the faithful at Ephesus that they have been “sealed with the promised holy Spirit.” This is in terms of an indelible character imprinted on the soul in the sacraments of baptism and confirmation. It is not as if this invisible mark is simply decorative. Rather, through it, we are enabled to participate in Christ’s mission and in his offices of priest, prophet, and king. Eph 1:13
Sealed by God eph 1:13 in the ark of salvation by baptism just as Noah was sealed by God in the ark of the flood gen 7:16
good one
And this one?
mary is the mother of God
Lk 1:43 And whence is this to me, that the mother of my Lord should come to me?
Lk 1:26 And in the sixth month the angel Gabriel was sent from God unto a city of Galilee, named Nazareth,
Lk 1: 45 And blessed is she that believed: for there shall be a performance of those things which were told her from the Lord.
Lk 1:49 For he that is mighty hath done to me great things; and holy is his name.
so the Lord is the Lord God almighty!
Proving the divinity of Jesus Christ!
Pythagorean12
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I think it is the Johovah Witnesses that think Jesus was merely a highly appointed man in God's service.
I won't argue the point. Jesus was God, the word made flesh who dwelt among us. When the people saw Jesus they saw God. That's what God said of himself.
All else that denies Jesus divinity, is error.
If Jesus is God then Mary MUST be the mother of God, cos she is His mother!
mary is the mother of God
Lk 1:43 And whence is this to me, that the mother of my Lord should come to me?
Lk 1:26 And in the sixth month the angel Gabriel was sent from God unto a city of Galilee, named Nazareth,
Lk 1: 45 And blessed is she that believed: for there shall be a performance of those things which were told her from the Lord.
Lk 1:49 For he that is mighty hath done to me great things; and holy is his name.
so the Lord is the Lord God almighty!
Proving the divinity of Jesus Christ!
Wrangler
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Wrangler
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St Luke also thought so when he specifically wrote that God - in his unitarian nature (& not 'the Father') selected the man Jesus.
He has fixed a day of accountability, when the whole world will be justly evaluated by a new, higher standard: not by a statue, but by a living man. God selected this man and made Him credible to all by raising Him from the dead
Acts 17:31 (VOICE)
Wrangler
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Feel free to consult your favorite lexicon. However, a cult, by definition, is a group who worship a man as God.
Wrangler
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You asked a question. I gave an answer.
Your way is not to accept other people's answers, which begs the question of why you ask. You are part of a cult under both sense of the word.
Pythagorean12
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Verse 31. Man = ἀνήρ (anēr)
Strong: G435
GK: G467
a male person of full age and stature, as opposed to a child or female, 1 Cor. 13:11; a husband, Mt. 1:16; a man, human being, individual, Lk. 11:31; used also pleonastically with other nouns and adjectives, Lk. 5:8; Acts 1:16
Goes along with John 1:14 (God) The Word made flesh and dwelt among us.
(Act 2:39) For the promise is to you, and to your children, and to all who are far off, even as many as the Lord our God will call to himself.”
Peter was saying that the promise was to the men he was talking to and to their descendents - to people far away in distance and in time.
Let's look at that:
Mark 16:16) He who believes and is baptized will be saved; but he who disbelieves will be condemned.
A baby can't believe - it can't even speak or understand any language. You have to believe first and then choose to be baptised. Christening is not sufficient.
1 Peter 3:21 (WEB): This is a symbol of baptism, which now saves you—not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God, through the resurrection of Jesus Christ,
A baby can't have a good conscience toward God. It's only an understanding and believing person that can then choose to be baptised. It says that baptism can save you, so if you haven't been baptised then you should get baptised as soon as you can!
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Jehovah is God, Jesus is the son of God. The term Almighty was never used in reference to Jesus.
BTW, Christians are not under the New Covenant. That's another topic though, so I'll start a new thread about that - see Christians are not under the New Covenant.
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What is your point Pyth? Are you saying God was made flesh? As you stated the Bible states the Word became flesh.
Ferris Bueller
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Everybody knows Christ's physical body came from Mary.
That makes her his earthly mother.
So what?
Stop idolizing humans.
a baby is innocent and has a good conscience
if some aspect is not possible then it’s not required
But since the promulgation of the gospel and the death of Christ baptism is required Jn 3:5
explaining a doctrine is not idolatry
if He is God then she must be the mother of God
If he is king she must be the queen
If he is our salvation then she must be the mother of our salvation
Cos she is his mother, mother of his person whole and entire
