David was the king of Israel, but his mother wasn't ever a queen. Your statement is clearly wrong!
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What?! Bathsheba became his wife. David was a son of Jesse, but I don't think the Bible tells us anything about his mother.
Ferris Bueller
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Catholics worship Mary:
Mary worship was the Catholic's answer to the pagan's Ashtoreth goddess worship.
The church is still to this day compromising truth and inventing doctrines to draw numbers into the church.
You really should check your facts before posting replies!
James 1:19 (WEB): So, then, my beloved brothers, let every man be swift to hear, slow to speak, and slow to anger;
Wrangler
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Wrangler
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I already answered but you ignored the posts where many kings mother's were not queen's, including David.
Besides we have rev 12:1 queen Mary and Mary fulfilled the type of esther
Old Testament type or example provided by God for our instruction!
Queen Esther
Queen Esther fair: est 2:7
Mary all fair: gen 3:15 Song of Solomon 4:12 Lk 1:28 rev 12:1
And the king loved Esther above all the women, and she obtained grace and favour in his sight more than all the virgins; est 2:17
Song of S. 4:2 love of God for Mary!
And the angel entered to her, and said, Hail Mary, full of grace; the Lord is with thee; blessed be thou among women.
Lk 1:28 also Lk 1:30 1:42 1:45 1:48
Mary obtained grace and favor: Lk 1:28
Hebrews 4:16
Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.
Esther merits the graces of the king for the people. Est
Mary merits the graces we need but don’t deserve. Lk 1:30
Mother is the mother of our savior and our salvation! Lk 2:30 matt 1:21
They prayed to Esther to intercede for them before the king. As Mary intercedes for Christians before God.
Queen Esther found favor with the king: est 2:17
Mary found favor with God: Lk 1:30
Queen Esther saves her people interceding with the king: est 8:17
Mary provides the savior of the world!
Lk 2:10-11
Queen Esther receives half the kingdom!
Mary receives half the kingdom, Christ retains the kingdom of justice as just judge and Mary is the queen of grace & mercy! Hence the throne of grace is Mary’s throne! Heb 4:16
Depicted in genesis as the greater light that rules the day (those living in God’s will) and the lesser light that governs the night (those living in sin) Mary the mother of mercy and refuge of sinners!
Notice the sun is the source of all good and moon only reflects this goodness!
She directs all to Her divine son! Jn 2:5
Mary is created by God thru the immaculate conception worthy to receive grace, and the miraculous conception of the Holy Spirit, and the savior and our salvation!
Notice how Christ died for us!
Romans 5:8
But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.
We were not worthy to die for our own salvation!
The same applies to grace, we are not worthy to receive grace, so God made Mary by the immaculate conception worthy to receive all grace for us, and worthy to miraculously conceive of the Holy Spirit and to give birth to our savior and worthy to receive our salvation!
Lk 1:28 And the angel came in unto her, and said, Hail, Mary full of grace, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women.
Lk 1:30 And the angel said unto her, Fear not, Mary: for thou hast found favour with God.
Lk 2:30 I have seen my salvation.
Heb 4:16 Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.
Lk 1:49 For he that is mighty hath done to me great things; and holy is his name.
God will not give grace to one who is not worthy or who cannot receive it, God will not give graces only to be lost or wasted but must be Efficacious!
All graces are merited by Christ (Jn 1:16-17 1 Jn 1:7) and given to men in the immaculate conception, (Lk 1:28 Lk 1:49 Heb 4:16 until we are able thru baptism (Jn 3:5) to receive them!
Ephesians 2:8-9
For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast.
Mary had this faith for us, (Lk 1:45 )and became the mother of our salvation!
(Lk 2:30)
Romans 3:24
Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:
Just as redemption is held in Christ so grace is held on Mary! Lk 1:28 full of grace Heb 4:16 the throne of grace Lk 1:30 found favor of our salvation
This applies to Mary not by nature but by the power and will of God!
A good tree!
Matthew 7:18
A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
The fruit of the tree of Mary is our salvation! Lk 2:30 Jesus is our salvation!
Lk 1:30 Mary found our salvation!
Queen of heaven
In the line of david’s kingdom the mother of the king is always queen!
Jesus is king Lk 1:32-33
And Jesus is the king of heaven & earth & all the angels & saints, so Mary is queen of heaven & earth & all the angels & saints!
A Royal greeting!
Lk 1:28 is the only place in the Bible where such a greeting takes place!
Mary is of the tribe of Judah and the royal house of David the king!
God himself is greeting Mary thru the instrument of the angel Gabriel!
This is a Royal greeting of the queen of heaven and earth! Queen of the angels and saints! Mary is of the house of king David!
In the line of king David the mother of the king is the queen, as Jesus Christ is the king of heaven and earth and the angels and saints so Mary is the queen of the same! Lk 1:32-33
The mother of any king is automatically queen and rules half the kingdom!
The queen mother!
Lk 1:28 And the angel entered to her, and said, Hail, full of grace; the Lord is with thee; blessed be thou among women.
29 And when she had heard, she was troubled in his word, and thought what manner salutation this was.
30 And the angel said to her, Dread thou not, Mary, for thou hast found grace with God.
Mary is queen in rev 12:1 and heb 4:16
Mother of divine grace who is the throne of divine grace!
Old Testament type or example provided by God for our instruction!
Queen Esther
Queen Esther fair: est 2:7
Mary all fair: gen 3:15 Song of Solomon 4:12 Lk 1:28 rev 12:1
And the king loved Esther above all the women, and she obtained grace and favour in his sight more than all the virgins; est 2:17
Song of S. 4:2 love of God for Mary!
And the angel entered to her, and said, Hail Mary, full of grace; the Lord is with thee; blessed be thou among women.
Lk 1:28 also Lk 1:30 1:42 1:45 1:48
Mary obtained grace and favor: Lk 1:28
Hebrews 4:16
Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.
Esther merits the graces of the king for the people. Est
Mary merits the graces we need but don’t deserve. Lk 1:30
Mother is the mother of our savior and our salvation! Lk 2:30 matt 1:21
They prayed to Esther to intercede for them before the king. As Mary intercedes for Christians before God.
Queen Esther found favor with the king: est 2:17
Mary found favor with God: Lk 1:30
Queen Esther saves her people interceding with the king: est 8:17
Mary provides the savior of the world!
Lk 2:10-11
Queen Esther receives half the kingdom!
Mary receives half the kingdom, Christ retains the kingdom of justice as just judge and Mary is the queen of grace & mercy! Hence the throne of grace is Mary’s throne! Heb 4:16
Depicted in genesis as the greater light that rules the day (those living in God’s will) and the lesser light that governs the night (those living in sin) Mary the mother of mercy and refuge of sinners!
Notice the sun is the source of all good and moon only reflects this goodness!
She directs all to Her divine son! Jn 2:5
Mary is created by God thru the immaculate conception worthy to receive grace, and the miraculous conception of the Holy Spirit, and the savior and our salvation!
Notice how Christ died for us!
Romans 5:8
But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.
We were not worthy to die for our own salvation!
The same applies to grace, we are not worthy to receive grace, so God made Mary by the immaculate conception worthy to receive all grace for us, and worthy to miraculously conceive of the Holy Spirit and to give birth to our savior and worthy to receive our salvation!
Lk 1:28 And the angel came in unto her, and said, Hail, Mary full of grace, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women.
Lk 1:30 And the angel said unto her, Fear not, Mary: for thou hast found favour with God.
Lk 2:30 I have seen my salvation.
Heb 4:16 Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.
Lk 1:49 For he that is mighty hath done to me great things; and holy is his name.
God will not give grace to one who is not worthy or who cannot receive it, God will not give graces only to be lost or wasted but must be Efficacious!
All graces are merited by Christ (Jn 1:16-17 1 Jn 1:7) and given to men in the immaculate conception, (Lk 1:28 Lk 1:49 Heb 4:16 until we are able thru baptism (Jn 3:5) to receive them!
Ephesians 2:8-9
For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast.
Mary had this faith for us, (Lk 1:45 )and became the mother of our salvation!
(Lk 2:30)
Romans 3:24
Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:
Just as redemption is held in Christ so grace is held on Mary! Lk 1:28 full of grace Heb 4:16 the throne of grace Lk 1:30 found favor of our salvation
This applies to Mary not by nature but by the power and will of God!
A good tree!
Matthew 7:18
A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
The fruit of the tree of Mary is our salvation! Lk 2:30 Jesus is our salvation!
Lk 1:30 Mary found our salvation!
Queen of heaven
In the line of david’s kingdom the mother of the king is always queen!
Jesus is king Lk 1:32-33
And Jesus is the king of heaven & earth & all the angels & saints, so Mary is queen of heaven & earth & all the angels & saints!
A Royal greeting!
Lk 1:28 is the only place in the Bible where such a greeting takes place!
Mary is of the tribe of Judah and the royal house of David the king!
God himself is greeting Mary thru the instrument of the angel Gabriel!
This is a Royal greeting of the queen of heaven and earth! Queen of the angels and saints! Mary is of the house of king David!
In the line of king David the mother of the king is the queen, as Jesus Christ is the king of heaven and earth and the angels and saints so Mary is the queen of the same! Lk 1:32-33
The mother of any king is automatically queen and rules half the kingdom!
The queen mother!
Lk 1:28 And the angel entered to her, and said, Hail, full of grace; the Lord is with thee; blessed be thou among women.
29 And when she had heard, she was troubled in his word, and thought what manner salutation this was.
30 And the angel said to her, Dread thou not, Mary, for thou hast found grace with God.
Mary is queen in rev 12:1 and heb 4:16
Mother of divine grace who is the throne of divine grace!
Wrangler
Well-Known Member
Circular Reasoning. I've presented numerous examples that show your not right in what you are saying. Queen's mother is, by definition, not the queen.
Learn THE TRUTH and Profess the TRUTH!
Let one SEE what the Son of God IS: LIKE
Heb 7:
[3] Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God;
Let one SEE what the Son of God IS: LIKE
Heb 7:
[3] Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God;
What utter nonsense and drivel! You are adding to the Scriptures and completely misunderstanding it. Nowhere does it say anything in the Bible about Mary being conceived free of sin. In fact Luke 3:23 tells us that Mary's father was Heli (Eli) and that her genealogy is traced all the way back to Adam, hence she, like everybody else, inherited the sinful nature that results in eventual death (and Mary died). There is also no mention of Mary receiving any portion of God's Kingdom, let alone half!
Again more unscriptual nonsense. Mary did not receive all grace for us, nor "our salvation".
Romans 1 (WEB):
3) concerning his Son, who was born of the offspring of David according to the flesh,
4) who was declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the Spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead, Jesus Christ our Lord,
5) through whom we received grace and apostleship, for obedience of faith among all the nations, for his name’s sake;
2 Timothy 1:9) [God,] who saved us and called us with a holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given to us in Christ Jesus before times eternal,
Again - more nonsense. The only persons born with no sinful nature were Adam and Eve (who sinned and lost that sinless human nature), and Jesus (who did not sin and sacrificed his sinless human nature in Adam's place, thus redeeming all mankind).
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refers to his divinity not his humanity
Jesus Christ is fully God and fully man
Hebrews 13:8
Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.
his divinity
18 Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost.
his humanity
Humans are Earthly Created beings.
God IS NOT A HUMAN.
What LIKENESS God takes UPON Himself;
What Appearence God LOOKS LIKE;
What God says to CALL Him;
God IS ETERNAL WITHOUT BEGINNING;
God NEVER CHANGES...
Mal 3:
[6] For I am the LORD, I change not...
Mary was a natural born sinner, just like every other Human.
Mary was called to Serve the Lord, and just like Many Humans, Served the Lord God according to His Will.
And like Many Humans, Received the Lords Blessings and Offering of Salvation.
Nothing more, nothing less.
* REMEMBER Christ the Lord Jesus...
* PRAY TO God.
* PRAY FOR Others.
Luke 22:
[19] And he took bread, and gave thanks, and brake it, and gave unto them, saying, This is my body which is given for you: this do in remembrance of me.
Luke 32:
[32] But I have prayed for thee, that thy faith fail not: and when thou art converted, strengthen thy brethren.
PRAY TO God.
PRAY FOR converted brethren.
PRAY FOR your enemies.
Hear, Read, Learn, Believe, Repeat;
the TRUTH of the Word of God.
Praise, Worship and Glory UNTO the Lord God
Almighty Forever and ever. Amen.
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Wrangler
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@theefaith, there you go again! You provide Scripture that does not support your claim.
It seems you do not grasp what is relevant, what relates and what does not relate. The simple statement is that nowhere in the Bible does it say anything about Mary being conceived free of sin. True enough and you would do well to admit the lack of explicit text to support your doctrine.
GE 3:15. Nothing about Mary
LK 1:28. Nothing about being conceived free of sin.
REV 12:1 Nothing about Mary
LK 1:28. Nothing about being conceived free of sin.
REV 12:1 Nothing about Mary
The closest your references comes is simply referring to Mary. How you connect 'full of grace' with 'conceived free of sin' would make any contortionist proud. Friend, not only was Mary conceived like every other person, in a state of sin, Mary was a sinner all the days of her life. Again, just like everyone else - with the possible exception of Christ (some may even insist on the definite exception of Christ).
It's not that Mary was sinless but filled with faith, filled with grace and filled with a willingness to submit to the will of God.
I want to remind you of how absurd my wife, a life-long devoted Christian, found the doctrine of Immaculate Conception of Mary. You cannot even admit that Mary had a normal sex life as a married woman but concoct this notion that at 3 years old she made a chastity vow and got married anyway. Come on now.
the rule of faith or source of truth for Christians is Christ and his church
Not the false doctrine of the “Bible alone”
so by adhering to the Bible alone I’m doing you favor, be all things…
Matthew 18:17
And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell itunto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican.
Ineffabilis Deus
The Immaculate Conception
Pope BI. Pius IX - 1854
“We declare, pronounce, and define that the doctrine which holds that the most Blessed Virgin Mary, in the first instance of her conception, by a singular grace and privilege granted by Almighty God, in view of the merits of Jesus Christ, the Savior of the human race, was preserved free from all stain of original sin, is a doctrine revealed by God and therefore to be believed firmly and constantly by all the faithful.”
bound on earth bound in heaven matt 16:18 & 18:18
He who rejects the church and the teaching of the church rejects Christ and forfeits any possibility of salvation
Again a verse unrelated to your claims. That verse concerns what to do if "your brother sins against you" (verse 15). It's nothing to do with a Pope 1,850 years later making up new doctrines that all Christians must then believe.
Acts 17:11 (WEB):
Now these were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, examining the Scriptures daily to see whether these things were so.
If you can't find corroberating evidence in the Scriptures then you should not put any faith in what you are told.
