Righteousness and Holiness

[amigo de christo]

I do not think we grow in holiness. I think we grow in righteousness.

We cant set the two apart . Peter said BE YE HOLY FOR GOD IS HOLY .
We are not to be used by and of this world any longer . We are now vessels of GOD , set apart
Not for uncleaniness and sin , but to be vessels used FOR GOD ALONE .
They all knew this sister . We cant have two masters . We cant be two vessels . We are of GOD
and thus HEED the SPIRIT and not the flesh .
We cant be a vessel which serves both the unclean and the clean , we cant be a vessel
which now serves both the flesh and God . God cleansed us , we are now the vessels of GOD
and our banquet that we serve can no longer contain both the unclean things of this world and the pure and holy things of GOD .
WE GOTTA MAKE US A CHOICE and FAST . Cause who we serve and what we serve , matters . ITS WHOSE WE ARE .
THUS let us count our bodies as they are , THE TEMPLE OF GOD and the vessels of what is truly HOLY . THE HOLY SPIRIT .
We cannot serve this world both the holy and the unholy . FOLLOW CHRIST and FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT OF F AITH till the last breath .

 

[MatthewG]

Read these scriptures for they are true indeed.


“Therefore there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus. For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has set you free from the law of sin and of death. For what the Law could not do, weak as it was through the flesh, God did: sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and as an offering for sin, He condemned sin in the flesh, so that the requirement of the Law might be fulfilled in us, who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit. For those who are according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who are according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit. For the mind set on the flesh is death, but the mind set on the Spirit is life and peace, because the mind set on the flesh is hostile toward God; for it does not subject itself to the law of God, for it is not even able to do so, and those who are in the flesh cannot please God. However, you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. But if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Him. If Christ is in you, though the body is dead because of sin, yet the spirit is alive because of righteousness. But if the Spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, He who raised Christ Jesus from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through His Spirit who dwells in you.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭8:1-11‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬

do you believe it? Is the question my friend. Take care and have a good rest of the day.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

im not buying that. When they encounter God and say holy,holy,holy, they say it of God, not of anyone else. And I don’t think when they say holy,holy,holy they are saying: God is set apart for a noble purpose.

Sorry, I just am not holy. There’s only one who is holy. I would be scared to run around claiming I’m holy.

If the unsaved, unbelieving spouse and children of a saved spouse can be holy why can't you?

"For the unbelieving husband is sanctified through his believing wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified through her believing husband. Otherwise your children would be unclean, but now they are holy." 1 Corinthians 7:14​

Now, don't misunderstand this to mean they are set apart to a holy purpose. It means they have been declared clean for contact by the holy person (the saved spouse). Otherwise he would be made unclean by them.

Like I say, you won't fully understand this concept of being cleansed and set apart unless you see how that concept is used in regard to the articles of the temple. So don't make a hasty judgment about the matter until you do that.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

Sanctification means to be cleansed and set apart. In the case of the believer is he cleansed and set apart for the purpose of service to God in the temple and kingdom of God.

Common everyday vessels are not to be used in the service of God. That would profane the temple of God. They must be cleansed and set apart for service to God. That is what happens to the believer the moment he is saved. He is cleansed and set apart for service in God's temple and kingdom. That's you SBG, and all the rest of us who believe. We were declared clean and fit for service in God's temple the moment we believed. We will spend a lifetime living up to that calling. Sanctification is, both, a one time event, and a process.

The cleansing agent through which this sanctification occurs is the Holy Spirit. Everyone who has been set apart and cleansed by the Holy Spirit is fit for service in the temple and kingdom of God.

 

[Marvelloustime]

We cant set the two apart . Peter said BE YE HOLY FOR GOD IS HOLY .
We are not to be used by and of this world any longer . We are now vessels of GOD , set apart
Not for uncleaniness and sin , but to be vessels used FOR GOD ALONE .
They all knew this sister . We cant have two masters . We cant be two vessels . We are of GOD
and thus HEED the SPIRIT and not the flesh .
We cant be a vessel which serves both the unclean and the clean , we cant be a vessel
which now serves both the flesh and God . God cleansed us , we are now the vessels of GOD
and our banquet that we serve can no longer contain both the unclean things of this world and the pure and holy things of GOD .
WE GOTTA MAKE US A CHOICE and FAST . Cause who we serve and what we serve , matters . ITS WHOSE WE ARE .
THUS let us count our bodies as they are , THE TEMPLE OF GOD and the vessels of what is truly HOLY . THE HOLY SPIRIT .
We cannot serve this world both the holy and the unholy . FOLLOW CHRIST and FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT OF F AITH till the last breath .

Let’s also remember that Jesus said we cannot serve two masters.

“No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭6:24‬ ‭KJV‬‬

God is a jealous God. We can only serve and worship Him.

“for thou shalt worship no other god: for the LORD, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God:”
‭‭Exodus‬ ‭34:14‬ ‭KJV‬‬

 

[stunnedbygrace]

It makes me almost physically ill to think anyone would try to convince anyone else they are holy unless they are like… raising the dead, healing the sick, performing miracles.

If God will have to one day punish me because I refused and could not accept something that vexed me so deep down inside at the thought of it, then so be it.

You may repeat over and over again how holy you are but I cannot. You can give me verses to try to convince me I am holy and I will believe they are severely misunderstood if the result is that men proclaim themselves holy. It’s as preposterous to me as claiming you’re wearing clothes when you’re stark naked. But it goes beyond preposterousness to an actual ill feeling.

I cannot stress how sick it makes me feel. There isn’t much that offends me in the way of conversation but that does. I don’t mean that I’m offended and angry and want to scream and yell at you, but offended in a way that makes me want to flee you even though I care about you.

I do not think this conversation will build up anyone’s trust in God, and I don’t think it could possibly help a man to humility, so I have to leave it.

My apologies marks. I have lost any willingness to have the conversation.

 

[MatthewG]

It’s all about having faith in the son of God and His death, burial, and resurrection.
May you be blessed in that having faith my friend. That is what is important the Gospel of Christ.

With love,
Matthew G

 

[Ferris Bueller]

I don’t mean that I’m offended and angry and want to scream and yell at you, but offended in a way that makes me want to flee you even though I care about you.

I skip my deodorant just one day and look what happens!

 

[Ferris Bueller]

You can give me verses to try to convince me I am holy and I will believe they are severely misunderstood if the result is that men proclaim themselves holy.

"you are a chosen people, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people for God’s own possession" 1 Peter 2:9

 

[MatthewG]

@Ferris Bueller it is futile to try to push something on someone who doesn’t desire to know or think more on it my friend.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

@Ferris Bueller it is futile to try to push something on someone who doesn’t desire to know or think more on it my friend.

I agree. That's why I removed the person's name in the quote I used. They won't know I quoted them.
Just because they don't want to continue the convo doesn't mean we can't.

 

[MatthewG]

Okay, it’s been my notice of posting on the forums that some people may just only desire to stay where they are in their own faith. You can encourage them and point them in the right direction. If a person on here reading this now desires to learn about the call to holy living my reference would be to see and look at 1 Peter. And read there.

It also occurs to me that sometimes such useful information is read over and not considered for what it is has to say. I’m guilty of it myself and not perfect. No one on this forum site is perfect however Gods grace is sufficient enough for those who believe Jesus rose from the grave.

That is something else noticed is that many people may not included that Jesus was resurrected but as though he died on the cross and just stayed there.

However new life beings when one believes in their heart God resurrected Jesus from the dead, that is how one becomes born again from above.

My over all encouragement is to seek what the Bible has to say, for that will be your source of looking and growing spiritual knowledge and wisdom whom is Christ our, Lord, King, Master, Lord God Almighty.

Whatever you decided to do reader, remember God does love you and cares about you.

With love,
Matthew G.

 

[Ezra]

God is holy. I am not.

if your saved your Holy is sanctification

 

[marks]

I don’t know if a ton of people will be interested in our discussion, but I sure will be!

My apologies marks. I have lost any willingness to have the conversation.

I've just been catching up on my thread . . . and I feel physically ill . . .

 

[marks]

On a basic level, since God is Holy, we are to be holy. He is making us holy but we won't reach that perfection until we either die and are ressurected.
What will be our state, make-up, character?
Good ... separate from evil.
Everything that good is, is holy, always separate from evil. So we have moments of pure perfection when we are filled with the Holy Spirit and cooperating with His purpose and plan. But then sometimes our flesh gets in the way and taints this holiness.

We will be eternally good/pure/holy someday.
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"we are having been sanctified", now that's an interesting phrase!

Another,

Acts 26:15-18 KJV
15) And I said, Who art thou, Lord? And he said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest.
16) But rise, and stand upon thy feet: for I have appeared unto thee for this purpose, to make thee a minister and a witness both of these things which thou hast seen, and of those things in the which I will appear unto thee;
17) Delivering thee from the people, and from the Gentiles, unto whom now I send thee,
18) To open their eyes, and to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan unto God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins, and inheritance among them which are sanctified by faith that is in me.

Sanctified in my interlinear appears as "holy-ized" Made holy.

Here, Jesus says we are sanctified by faith in Him.

Much love!

 

[marks]

They began well. They trusted God enough to step out under that wall of water.

Of course I don't know what it was like since I wasn't there . . . one of the movies I say about this, I don't remember which one . . . the sea opens, and the Lord, in the pillar of cloud, moves from between the Egyptians and the Hebrews. And as soon as the Israelites see the army charging them, they just turn and run into the sea. Not so much portraying trust, but no where else to go.

I see God working this way with us. And that's what Paul alludes to in (1 or 2?)Corinthians 10, that He will provide a way out of temptation. That way out is a particular way, the word means like a safe haven from a storm. God wanted them in Midian, and wanted them to walk through a sea to get there. So he drove them with the Egyptian army.

But like I said . . . I have to keep in mind, I wasn't there.

Much love!

 

[marks]

So, I guess my point was…the first thing is the righteousness that is by trust (faith). If we are double minded in trust,
We get ahead of ourselves in a discussion about holiness. Do the first thing first.

This reminds me of Paul,

Philippians 3:6-11 KJV
6) Concerning zeal, persecuting the church; touching the righteousness which is in the law, blameless.
7) But what things were gain to me, those I counted loss for Christ.
8) Yea doubtless, and I count all things but loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but dung, that I may win Christ,
9) And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:
10) That I may know him, and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death;
11) If by any means I might attain unto the resurrection of the dead.

Having attained to righteousness under the Law, he then counts that 'dung', to not have his own righteousness, gained by doing what is right, in favor of God's righteousness, gained by trust.

Perhaps true righteousness one of those things you can't obtain by directly pursuing it?

Much love!

 

[marks]

Not too long before I went through my time that I called, "being ground to dust," He spoke to me and said, "I will never leave you nor forsake you." He never has. Through it all, He has been proven faithful to me.

I heard an interview with some of the members of Urban Rescue, the fellow was describing when both his mother and father died a year apart in his late teens. I was quite electrified to hear him say, "It may sound weird, but I wish I could stay in that place of deepest pain, because that's where I met God", something like that. I was stunned to hear someone else say that! I figured I was the only nutcase like that!

He never has, and He never will!!

So much love!

 

[marks]

Thanks for sharing. It means a lot to me to know that someone else understands this process of God.

I've long heard this story of the shepherd who breaks the leg of the lamb that always runs off, then carries it until it's healed, after which it never leaves. So I have no idea of whether that's true or not, but . . . He has torn me, and He is healing me, and is raising me up to live with Him.

At the time I didn't realize the tearing was part of the healing . . . But neither did I realize just how completely sick in heart and mind I was!!

Much love!

 

[Truman]

I heard an interview with some of the members of Urban Rescue, the fellow was describing when both his mother and father died a year apart in his late teens. I was quite electrified to hear him say, "It may sound weird, but I wish I could stay in that place of deepest pain, because that's where I met God", something like that. I was stunned to hear someone else say that! I figured I was the only nutcase like that!

He never has, and He never will!!

So much love!

For me, it has never ended. No one will ever understand what I've gone, and continue to go, through. God has never been more real to me. Most have no idea. I shouldn't complain because I told Him repeatedly that He could do whatever He wanted to do with me.