IS JESUS THE ONLY WAY?
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Very sad, if 70% of Christians are in such error. Then compound upon that 30% the Christians in name only. And then the non believers. Jesus wasn't exaggerating when he said Strait is the gate, narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
Not surprised today Pearl. There are those many professing to be born-again although they are CINO. One of my sisters once said she found Christ....her life style never changed at all.
I wager that at least less than 10 percent, yes that few are truly born-again and living today in this world.
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Ferris Bueller
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Lifelong_sinner
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This actually shouldnt be surprising. Just perusing these forums alone should show that not everyone who claims to be a christian, is.
So then to an underlying question... what does Jesus really mean here?
"Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God." John 3:3
"Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.
The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit." John 3:5-8
"Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God." John 3:3
"Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.
The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit." John 3:5-8
Not 70% of born again Christians, rather, 70% of those who identify as born again.
Much love!
Much love!
Not surprised.
Children have been indoctrinated for years, (by teachers, TV AND parents) that anyone who believes in a god", are all believing in the "same god".
Remember "Oprah"? 25 years of a TV show and people hanging on her every word?
Today Oprah has numerous venues for the interested to be "informed".
Her web-site boasts;
"The place for everything in Oprah's world. Get health, beauty, recipes, money, decorating and relationship advice to live your best life..."
And quotes from Oprah;
"I'm a Christian".
"Jesus isn't the only way to God".
There is a "huge" difference between "tolerate" and "agree".
Glory to God,
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Nancy
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Not surprised.
Children have been indoctrinated for years, (by teachers, TV AND parents) that anyone who believes in a god", are all believing in the "same god".
Remember "Oprah"? 25 years of a TV show and people hanging on her every word?
Today Oprah has numerous venues for the interested to be "informed".
Her web-site boasts;
"The place for everything in Oprah's world. Get health, beauty, recipes, money, decorating and relationship advice to live your best life..."
And quotes from Oprah;
"I'm a Christian".
"Jesus isn't the only way to God".
There is a "huge" difference between "tolerate" and "agree".
Glory to God,
Taken
"I'm a Christian".
"Jesus isn't the only way to God"
She and all those who say this speak with forked tongue...
Pythagorean12
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Maybe it's a natural evolution that injects benevolence into the closed foreordaind elitist salvation doctrine.
Reworking a creator of all things setting the fate of his creation, for good & heaven or bad & hell, to make a more palatable definition encompassed in the deific trait of benevolence.
Reworking a creator of all things setting the fate of his creation, for good & heaven or bad & hell, to make a more palatable definition encompassed in the deific trait of benevolence.
"Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!" Isaiah 5:20
In the letters of Paul, he says you have to have the old man/woman which is your flesh, and the new man/woman which is your spirit. In Galatians chapter five it says they war against each other. Then there's other stuff the bible instructs you about.
To be truly born again, you must have the Holy Spirit. Those who do have the Holy Spirit would be convicted of their sins or their wrongs, and understand to not live or be like the world.
Interesting.
70% claiming, "BORN AGAIN", BUT...
Sounds more like....
..."Baby christening, Water emerging, priest, pastor "said" they were SAVED, good enough, "for them"...and "whatever" good enough for others.
The "claiming" Born Again, sounds more like an "intellectual mindful philosophical" conclusion, rather than a "heartful spiritual" conclusion.
ARE THEY "ALL"...."BORN AGAIN"?
(Probably not.)
ARE THEY "ALL" ... "DAMNED"?
(Probably not.)
Only God (and the individuals) KNOWS..."IF" they confessed Belief, with their "HEARTS thoughts or MINDS thoughts".
Receiving the GIFT, of SALVATION (Before a persons physical Death) IS: ONLY, by through, of ... the Quickening Spirit...WHO IS: Christ.
There ARE distinctions in Scripture of WHO shall Receive "SALVATION"... When & Why.
Some...AFTER Physical Death.
Some...BEFORE Physical Death.
Some...Never.
^ and THAT requires a more indepth study, to land on the "correct understanding".
In brief..."When & Why" an individual "receives" Salvation (before physical death, after physical death or never) ...
* FURTHER "determines", "When & Why" a individual "Shall" be "RAISED UP"... and BY "WHOM"... and thus...
* FURTHER "determines", their (station, position so to speak)...IN Gods Kingdom.
What is disturbing IS: the "ya, but", which to me reflects to this Scripture;
* Matt 7:
[23] And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart "from me" ye that work iniquity.
Doesn't sound to me..."AS IF"... they are "heartfully confessed" candidates to BE RAISED UP, "BY CHRIST". (Ie Rapture).
But I do not, put them off, from being, "RAISED UP", "by God", AFTER the 1,000 yr Reign, (per having Belief IN JESUS, but NOT having made a "heartful confession, during their physical life".)
Difference between...Those "IN" Christ...and Those believing "IN" Jesus, that Jesus died, rose up, but (without Conversion).
1 Thes 4:
[14] For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so " them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him ." <---
After 1,000 yr reign.
Glory to God,
Taken
Pathfinder7
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'One Way' signs..in 1970's.
- During the 'Jesus Movement'.
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John 14:6
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My spiritual journey started..in 1970's.
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Many memories of those days..
- During the 'Jesus Movement'.
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John 14:6
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My spiritual journey started..in 1970's.
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Many memories of those days..
Long-haired hippie Jesus freaks...gotta love 'em!
what about free will
Jn 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
who so ever freely chooses to believe
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