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ALL, absolute with only ONE Exception - CHRIST.

Now, you will say what about Mary...............................

what about children under the age of reason?

what about mental illness?

there are many generalizations in scripture that are not absolute for example

Matt 3:5 5 Then went out to him Jerusalem, and all Judaea, and all the region round about Jordan,

now Paul was quoting the psalm all have sinner and fallen short of the glory of God accept my people

but I also means according to nature
And original sin
And Mary was created without original sin
 

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I had bought the black pacific pearls from a vendor in Nuka Hiva, French Polynesia for around $20. The pearls were great but the necklace rope itself was of poor quality and eventually broke. I bought a Catholic, "Gunmetal Military Rosary - WWI Service Combat Rosary" on EBay and had a local jeweler recreate the necklace. Turned out real nice! I am real pleased!

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what about children under the age of reason?

what about mental illness?

there are many generalizations in scripture that are not absolute for example

Matt 3:5 5 Then went out to him Jerusalem, and all Judaea, and all the region round about Jordan,

now Paul was quoting the psalm all have sinner and fallen short of the glory of God accept my people

but I also means according to nature
And original sin
And Mary was created without original sin

I will give yo a Golden Opportunity here, now = go find the Scripture that says "Mary was born without sin"
 
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I will give yo a Golden Opportunity here, now = go find the Scripture that says "Mary was born without sin"

why does it need be in scripture?

The “Bible alone” is not the rule of faith or source of truth for Christians
The teaching authority of the apostles is
Acts 2:42 matt 18:17 1 Tim 3:15
 

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Mary was created without sin, not only born

here’s you’re scripture
Matt 16:18-19 Matt 18:18

bound on earth bound in heaven

with apostolic authority of Jesus Christ

Ineffabilis Deus
The Immaculate Conception
Pope BI. Pius IX - 1854

“We declare, pronounce, and define that the doctrine which holds that the most Blessed Virgin Mary, in the first instance of her conception, by a singular grace and privilege granted by Almighty God, in view of the merits of Jesus Christ, the Savior of the human race, was preserved free from all stain of original sin, is a doctrine revealed by God and therefore to be believed firmly and constantly by all the faithful.”

also Lk 1:49
 

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Without the teaching authority of the apostles you cannot know what is and what is not scripture
 

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Mary was created without sin, not only born

here’s you’re scripture
Matt 16:18-19 Matt 18:18

bound on earth bound in heaven

with apostolic authority of Jesus Christ

Ineffabilis Deus
The Immaculate Conception
Pope BI. Pius IX - 1854

“We declare, pronounce, and define that the doctrine which holds that the most Blessed Virgin Mary, in the first instance of her conception, by a singular grace and privilege granted by Almighty God, in view of the merits of Jesus Christ, the Savior of the human race, was preserved free from all stain of original sin, is a doctrine revealed by God and therefore to be believed firmly and constantly by all the faithful.”
also Lk 1:49

These things which you post here and place your trust/faith in will be your undoing you before Christ.

Every word of God is flawless;
He is a shield to those who take refuge in Him.
Do not add to His words,
lest He rebuke you and prove you a liar.
Proverbs 30:5-6

Then Mary said:

“My soul magnifies the Lord, 47and my spirit rejoices in God my Savior!
48For He has looked with favor on the humble state of His servant.
From now on all generations will call me blessed. 49For the Mighty One has done great things for me.
Holy is His name. 50His mercy extends to those who fear Him,
from generation to generation. 51He has performed mighty deeds with His arm;
He has scattered those who are proud in the thoughts of their hearts. 52He has brought down rulers from their thrones,
but has exalted the humble. 53He has filled the hungry with good things,
but has sent the rich away empty. 54He has helped His servant Israel,
remembering to be merciful, 55as He promised to our fathers,
to Abraham and his descendants forever.”

Mary knew she was a sinner in need of Salvation - her faith in believing God at His Word is the only way we receive grace
whether it be Abraham, Issac and Jacob, Moses, Samuel, David, Daniel, Job or Rahab, Elizabeth, Mary and you and me.
 

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Without the teaching authority of the apostles you cannot know what is and what is not scripture

falsehood and another lie of the roman catholic harlot

Apostle Paul
But you must continue in the things which you have learned and been assured of, knowing from whom you have learned them, 15and that from childhood you have known the Holy Scriptures, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.
16All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for [c]instruction in righteousness, 17that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work.

Apostle Peter
For we did not follow cunningly devised fables when we made known to you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were eyewitnesses of His majesty. 17For He received from God the Father honor and glory when such a voice came to Him from the Excellent Glory: “This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.” 18And we heard this voice which came from heaven when we were with Him on the holy mountain.
19https://biblehub.com/nkjv/2_peter/1.htm#footnotesAnd so we have the prophetic word confirmed, which you do well to heed as a light that shines in a dark place, until the day dawns and the morning star rises in your hearts; 20knowing this first, that no prophecy of Scripture is of any private [j]interpretation, 21for prophecy never came by the will of man, but [k]holy men of God spoke as they were moved by the Holy Spirit.

The Rock - Cornerstone and Foundation = JESUS the CHRIST:
“I do not pray for these alone, but also for those who [j]will believe in Me through their word; 21that they all may be one, as You, Father, are in Me, and I in You; that they also may be one in Us, that the world may believe that You sent Me. 22And the glory which You gave Me I have given them, that they may be one just as We are one: 23I in them, and You in Me; that they may be made perfect in one, and that the world may know that You have sent Me, and have loved them as You have loved Me.

24“Father, I desire that they also whom You gave Me may be with Me where I am, that they may behold My glory which You have given Me; for You loved Me before the foundation of the world. 25O righteous Father! The world has not known You, but I have known You; and these have known that You sent Me. 26And I have declared to them Your name, and will declare it, that the love with which You loved Me may be in them, and I in them.”
 

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These things which you post here and place your trust/faith in will be your undoing you before Christ.

Every word of God is flawless;
He is a shield to those who take refuge in Him.
Do not add to His words,
lest He rebuke you and prove you a liar.
Proverbs 30:5-6

Then Mary said:

“My soul magnifies the Lord, 47and my spirit rejoices in God my Savior!
48For He has looked with favor on the humble state of His servant.
From now on all generations will call me blessed. 49For the Mighty One has done great things for me.
Holy is His name. 50His mercy extends to those who fear Him,
from generation to generation. 51He has performed mighty deeds with His arm;
He has scattered those who are proud in the thoughts of their hearts. 52He has brought down rulers from their thrones,
but has exalted the humble. 53He has filled the hungry with good things,
but has sent the rich away empty. 54He has helped His servant Israel,
remembering to be merciful, 55as He promised to our fathers,
to Abraham and his descendants forever.”

Mary knew she was a sinner in need of Salvation - her faith in believing God at His Word is the only way we receive grace
whether it be Abraham, Issac and Jacob, Moses, Samuel, David, Daniel, Job or Rahab, Elizabeth, Mary and you and me.

scripture never says Mary is a sinner?
 

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falsehood and another lie of the roman catholic harlot

Apostle Paul
But you must continue in the things which you have learned and been assured of, knowing from whom you have learned them, 15and that from childhood you have known the Holy Scriptures, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.
16All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for [c]instruction in righteousness, 17that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work.

Apostle Peter
For we did not follow cunningly devised fables when we made known to you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were eyewitnesses of His majesty. 17For He received from God the Father honor and glory when such a voice came to Him from the Excellent Glory: “This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.” 18And we heard this voice which came from heaven when we were with Him on the holy mountain.
19And so we have the prophetic word confirmed, which you do well to heed as a light that shines in a dark place, until the day dawns and the morning star rises in your hearts; 20knowing this first, that no prophecy of Scripture is of any private [j]interpretation, 21for prophecy never came by the will of man, but [k]holy men of God spoke as they were moved by the Holy Spirit.

The Rock - Cornerstone and Foundation = JESUS the CHRIST:
“I do not pray for these alone, but also for those who [j]will believe in Me through their word; 21that they all may be one, as You, Father, are in Me, and I in You; that they also may be one in Us, that the world may believe that You sent Me. 22And the glory which You gave Me I have given them, that they may be one just as We are one: 23I in them, and You in Me; that they may be made perfect in one, and that the world may know that You have sent Me, and have loved them as You have loved Me.

24“Father, I desire that they also whom You gave Me may be with Me where I am, that they may behold My glory which You have given Me; for You loved Me before the foundation of the world. 25O righteous Father! The world has not known You, but I have known You; and these have known that You sent Me. 26And I have declared to them Your name, and will declare it, that the love with which You loved Me may be in them, and I in them.”

Then what is scripture?
Daniel 13?

you trust the tradition of men who wrote the KJV and deleted whole books and many chapters

you say you believe the Bible alone

where does the Bible say what the Bible is?
 

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only sinners need a Savior

it still does not say Mary is a sinner

so you’re adding to or changing scripture

only sinners need a savior is also wrong
Christ saves in two way to forgive past sins and to preserve us from future sins

Mary was preserved from all sin period, by the merits of Christ so her son is her savior
 

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And you are attacking God and Christ

Praise of Mary and the saints redounds to the glory of God and Christ, co Mary and the saints are what God made them, it is His handiwork (Lk 1:49 Lk 1:28) and the graces they have come from the merits of Christ’s passion and death

Likewise an Attack on Mary and the saints, or the authority of the apostles or the church or rejection of such doctrines is and attack on God and on Christ!
Acts 9:4 Eph 5:32
 

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it still does not say Mary is a sinner

so you’re adding to or changing scripture

only sinners need a savior is also wrong
Christ saves in two way to forgive past sins and to preserve us from future sins

Mary was preserved from all sin period, by the merits of Christ so her son is her savior

FALSE = i never added to God's words = you do continually.

ALL sinners need a Savior for ALL have sinned

You said: " Christ saves in two way to forgive past sins and to preserve us from future sins" = TRUE = ALL sinners need the Savior

Mary needed to be saved from her sins = and she said so = “My soul magnifies the Lord, and my spirit rejoices in God my Savior!"

Without God = her Savior = Christ = she could not be saved.

But God, who is rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us, 5even when we were dead in trespasses, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved), 6and raised us up together, and made us sit together in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus, 7that in the ages to come He might show the exceeding riches of His grace in His kindness toward us in Christ Jesus. 8For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, 9not of works, lest anyone should boast. 10For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand that we should walk in them. Ephesians 2
 

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And you are attacking God and Christ

Praise of Mary and the saints redounds to the glory of God and Christ, co Mary and the saints are what God made them, it is His handiwork (Lk 1:49 Lk 1:28) and the graces they have come from the merits of Christ’s passion and death

Likewise an Attack on Mary and the saints, or the authority of the apostles or the church or rejection of such doctrines is and attack on God and on Christ!
Acts 9:4 Eph 5:32

Nobody is attacking Mary, God or the Apostles here = only your false doctrines

Claiming that Mary was sinless is a error and a lie.

Worshipping Mary is sin and idolatry.

For My own sake, for My own sake, I will do it;
For how should My name be profaned?
And I will not give My glory to another. Isaiah 48

You profaned the Name and Glory of the LORD when you say:

Mary, Mother of God, full of Grace..................
 

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FALSE = i never added to God's words = you do continually.

ALL sinners need a Savior for ALL have sinned

You said: " Christ saves in two way to forgive past sins and to preserve us from future sins" = TRUE = ALL sinners need the Savior

Mary needed to be saved from her sins = and she said so = “My soul magnifies the Lord, and my spirit rejoices in God my Savior!"

Without God = her Savior = Christ = she could not be saved.

But God, who is rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us, 5even when we were dead in trespasses, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved), 6and raised us up together, and made us sit together in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus, 7that in the ages to come He might show the exceeding riches of His grace in His kindness toward us in Christ Jesus. 8For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, 9not of works, lest anyone should boast. 10For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand that we should walk in them. Ephesians 2

lk 1:49
 

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Then Mary said:
“My soul magnifies the Lord, and my spirit rejoices in God my Savior!
48For He has looked with favor on the humble state of His servant.
From now on all generations will call me blessed.

49For the Mighty One has done great things for me.
Holy is His name.

And the Great Thing that God did for Mary is the same HE does for everyone of us whom HE calls unto CHRIST for Salvation.

There is no GREATER DEED that God can do for Mary then to SAVE her from her sins = "my spirit rejoices in God my Savior!"

verse49 = the Mighty One has done it for Mary = nothing of Mary = ALL from God

Mary, like myself, was chosen in Christ before the foundation of the world.

Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places in Christ, 4just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before Him in love, 5having predestined us to adoption as sons by Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the good pleasure of His will, 6to the praise of the glory of His grace, by which He made us accepted in the Beloved.

Only differences between Mary and myself =
she was born a woman
she was born to fulifill Prophecy of the virgin birth of Christ
everytime the story of Christ is read, Mary is called blessed among women = this is a no brainer, for only one woman could be the vessel for Christ to be born = no brainer

That's it my friend. Anything more is added to Mary to cause people to pray to her is idolatry and sin.
 

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Nobody is attacking Mary, God or the Apostles here = only your false doctrines

Claiming that Mary was sinless is a error and a lie.

Worshipping Mary is sin and idolatry.

For My own sake, for My own sake, I will do it;
For how should My name be profaned?
And I will not give My glory to another. Isaiah 48

You profaned the Name and Glory of the LORD when you say:

Mary, Mother of God, full of Grace..................

Lk 1:43
Lk 1:28
Both are scripture
And all scripture is inspired

never said to worship mary

why did the original so called reformers not only defend the doctrines of Mary but kept devotion to her?

Martin Luther

It is an article of faith that Mary is Mother of the Lord and still a virgin. … Christ, we believe, came forth from a womb left perfectly intact. (Weimer’s The Works of Luther, English translation by Pelikan, Concordia, St. Louis, v. 11, pp. 319-320; v. 6. p. 510.)

John Calvin

(On the Heretic Helvidius) Helvidius displayed excessive ignorance in concluding that Mary must have had many sons, because Christ’s “brothers” are sometimes mentioned. (Harmony of Matthew, Mark and Luke, sec. 39 [Geneva, 1562], vol. 2 / From Calvin’s Commentaries, translated by William Pringle, Grand Rapids, Michigan: Eerdmans, 1949, p.215; on Matthew 13:55)

[On Matt 1:25:] The inference he [Helvidius] drew from it was, that Mary remained a virgin no longer than till her first birth, and that afterwards she had other children by her husband . . . No just and well-grounded inference can be drawn from these words . . . as to what took place after the birth of Christ. He is called “first-born”; but it is for the sole purpose of informing us that he was born of a virgin . . . What took place afterwards the historian does not inform us . . . No man will obstinately keep up the argument, except from an extreme fondness for disputation. (Pringle, ibid., vol. I, p. 107)

Under the word “brethren” the Hebrews include all cousins and other relations, whatever may be the degree of affinity. (Pringle, ibid., vol. I, p. 283 / Commentary on John, [7:3])

John Wesley

‘I believe that He [Jesus] was made man, joining the human nature with the divine in one person; being conceived by the singular operation of the Holy Ghost, and born of the blessed Virgin Mary, who, as well after as before she brought Him forth, continued a pure and unspotted virgin’ (‘Letter to a Roman Catholic’, The Works of Rev. John Wesley, vol 10, p. 81).

and the early church too

Hippolytus “[T]o all generations they [the prophets] have pictured forth the grandest subjects for contemplation and for action. Thus, too, they preached of the advent of God in the flesh to the world, his advent by the spotless and God-bearing (theotokos) Mary in the way of birth and growth” (Discourse on the End of the World 1 [A.D. 217]).
 

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a virgin whom grace had made inviolate, free of every stain of sin” (Commentary on Psalm 118:22–30 [A.D. 387]). Ambrose

“Having excepted the holy Virgin Mary, concerning whom, on account of the honor of the Lord, I wish to have absolutely no question when treating of sins—for how do we know what abundance of grace for the total overcoming of sin was conferred upon her, who merited to conceive and bear him in whom there was no sin?—so, I say, with the exception of the Virgin, if we could have gathered together all those holy men and women, when they were living here, and had asked them whether they were without sin, what do we suppose would have been their answer?” (Nature and Grace 36:42 [A.D. 415]). Augustine
 

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Lk 1:43
Lk 1:28
Both are scripture
And all scripture is inspired

never said to worship mary

why did the original so called reformers not only defend the doctrines of Mary but kept devotion to her?

Martin Luther

It is an article of faith that Mary is Mother of the Lord and still a virgin. … Christ, we believe, came forth from a womb left perfectly intact. (Weimer’s The Works of Luther, English translation by Pelikan, Concordia, St. Louis, v. 11, pp. 319-320; v. 6. p. 510.)

John Calvin

(On the Heretic Helvidius) Helvidius displayed excessive ignorance in concluding that Mary must have had many sons, because Christ’s “brothers” are sometimes mentioned. (Harmony of Matthew, Mark and Luke, sec. 39 [Geneva, 1562], vol. 2 / From Calvin’s Commentaries, translated by William Pringle, Grand Rapids, Michigan: Eerdmans, 1949, p.215; on Matthew 13:55)

[On Matt 1:25:] The inference he [Helvidius] drew from it was, that Mary remained a virgin no longer than till her first birth, and that afterwards she had other children by her husband . . . No just and well-grounded inference can be drawn from these words . . . as to what took place after the birth of Christ. He is called “first-born”; but it is for the sole purpose of informing us that he was born of a virgin . . . What took place afterwards the historian does not inform us . . . No man will obstinately keep up the argument, except from an extreme fondness for disputation. (Pringle, ibid., vol. I, p. 107)

Under the word “brethren” the Hebrews include all cousins and other relations, whatever may be the degree of affinity. (Pringle, ibid., vol. I, p. 283 / Commentary on John, [7:3])

John Wesley

‘I believe that He [Jesus] was made man, joining the human nature with the divine in one person; being conceived by the singular operation of the Holy Ghost, and born of the blessed Virgin Mary, who, as well after as before she brought Him forth, continued a pure and unspotted virgin’ (‘Letter to a Roman Catholic’, The Works of Rev. John Wesley, vol 10, p. 81).

and the early church too

Hippolytus “[T]o all generations they [the prophets] have pictured forth the grandest subjects for contemplation and for action. Thus, too, they preached of the advent of God in the flesh to the world, his advent by the spotless and God-bearing (theotokos) Mary in the way of birth and growth” (Discourse on the End of the World 1 [A.D. 217]).

Those men came from the 'Dark Ages' when the roman catholic religious rulers held great power and intimidation over the people.

The evil roman catholic rulers murdered Martin Luther and many others just as the evil ruling religious Jews murdered Christ.

But all these things they will do to you for My name’s sake, because they do not know Him who sent Me.