Nation born in a day in 1948?

[dad]

The Kingdom Has Been Taken From Ethnic National Israel And Given To The Church, Water Under The Bridge, Never To Return

Matthew 21:42-43KJV
42 Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures, The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner: this is the Lord's doing, and it is marvellous in our eyes?
43 Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.

Yeah and later given right back to those who repent. All Israel will be saved.

 

[dad]

I posted many verses showing god would scatter the jews to the four corners of the earth (globally).

So what? That does not mean God regathered them.

I posted many verses that show God will regather Israel back to their land to prepare to judge them and purge the rebels.

In history, yes. None that were applicable to the end times.

I posted many verses that Israel will once again flee th eland due to the antichrist.

No. Some in Jerusalem area will flee. That does not mean there will not be a nation any more does it? Remember, since most do not believe why would they flee?

I posted verses God will gather them back another time- this time for blessing and ot inherit the worldy kingdom promised them.

Yes He will gather them one day that was not 1948.

In all ways you have nothing.

 

[Truth7t7]

Yeah and later given right back to those who repent. All Israel will be saved.

All Israel Will Be Saved, When The Last Soul Is Added To Israel The Church, Children Of The Promised Seed

 

[dad]

All Israel Will Be Saved, When The Last Soul Is Added To Israel The Church, Children Of The Promised Seed

I think the church is the church and Israel is Israel.

 

[Truth7t7]

I think the church is the church and Israel is Israel.

Scripture below clearly teaches Israel of the "Flesh" they aren't the children of God

Gods Israel is the Church, children of the promised seed.

Romans 9:6-8KJV
6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:
7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.

 

[dad]

Scripture below clearly teaches Israel of the "Flesh" they aren't the children of God

Gods Israel is the Church, children of the promised seed.

Romans 9:6-8KJV
6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:
7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.

Nope. All that brings out is that they are not all believers. Only the saved Jews of course are possibly children of the promise. No one gets to do an end run around Christ. When all Israel gets saved they will be those for whom the promises were made about being protected, regathered, etc. Until then they are a self gathered nation in rebellion against God and who must face the worst time and testing in all history. The thing is that those remnant that do get saved in the end are Israel. Not the church.

 

[Truth7t7]

The thing is that those remnant that do get saved in the end are Israel. Not the church.

I fully agree that the Remnant will be saved as you state, however you disregard that when the remnant is saved they are added to (The Church) the Israel of God, Children of the promised seed

All Israel will be saved when the last Soul is added to The Church, the Israel of God

Scripture below clearly teaches Israel of the "Flesh" they aren't the children of God

Gods Israel is the Church, children of the promised seed.

(Two Israel's Are Seen Below)

1.) Israel Of The Flesh, National Ethnic
2 ) Israel The Church, Children Of The Promised Seed

Romans 9:6-8KJV
6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:
7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.

 

[dad]

I fully agree that the Remnant will be saved as you state, however you disregard that when the remnant is saved they are added to (The Church) the Israel of God, Children of the promised seed

In the early church day, and in history and today, they are. However the believing remnant of Israel that are saved in the end are still Israel. The church has been long gone.

Romans 9:6-8KJV
6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:
7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.

After the church is gone and all Israel gets saved they are not the church are they?

 

[Truth7t7]

In the early church day, and in history and today, they are. However the believing remnant of Israel that are saved in the end are still Israel. The church has been long gone.

After the church is gone and all Israel gets saved they are not the church are they?

You have the church gone, and Israel on earth?

There is no pre-trib rapture found in scripture, the church will be present on earth through the tribulation and present to witness the second coming (The End)

 

[dad]

You have the church gone, and Israel on earth?

There is no pre-trib rapture found in scripture, the church will be present on earth through the tribulation and present to witness the second coming (The End)

Ah, so there we have the problem. Diagnosed. By the way God promised to restore Israel to the land and wipe out their enemies, do you think that is you that He restores to that land?

 

[Truth7t7]

Ah, so there we have the problem. Diagnosed. By the way God promised to restore Israel to the land and wipe out their enemies, do you think that is you that He restores to that land?

Please provide scripture to support your claim of promised land to an ethnic people (Jews/Israel) blessed by God?

All promises to Abraham were fulfilled in Jesus Christ

Galatians 3:16KJV
16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.

 

[dad]

Please provide scripture to support your claim of promised land to an ethnic people (Jews/Israel) blessed by God?

All promises to Abraham were fulfilled in Jesus Christ

Galatians 3:16KJV
16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.

No, they were not. There is a final several years of history, the last week of Daniel that is for dealing with Israel and having a remnant saved. Then that remnant, which is all of Israel that is still alive alive at the time will ge gathered by God Himself, and given that promised land as promised. It names countries that God will gather them from, it shows how He will Personally be their ruler and comfort them etc. That is not vague general promises to all Christians.
Example:
Isa 66
12 For thus saith the Lord, Behold, I will extend peace to her like a river, and the glory of the Gentiles like a flowing stream: then shall ye suck, ye shall be borne upon her sides, and be dandled upon her knees.

13 As one whom his mother comforteth, so will I comfort you; and ye shall be comforted in Jerusalem.

14 And when ye see this, your heart shall rejoice, and your bones shall flourish like an herb: and the hand of the Lord shall be known toward his servants, and his indignation toward his enemies.

15 For, behold, the Lord will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire.

16 For by fire and by his sword will the Lord plead with all flesh: and the slain of the Lord shall be many.

17 They that sanctify themselves, and purify themselves in the gardens behind one tree in the midst, eating swine's flesh, and the abomination, and the mouse, shall be consumed together, saith the Lord.

18 For I know their works and their thoughts: it shall come, that I will gather all nations and tongues; and they shall come, and see my glory.

19 And I will set a sign among them, and I will send those that escape of them unto the nations, to Tarshish, Pul, and Lud, that draw the bow, to Tubal, and Javan, to the isles afar off, that have not heard my fame, neither have seen my glory; and they shall declare my glory among the Gentiles.

20 And they shall bring all your brethren for an offering unto the Lord out of all nations upon horses, and in chariots, and in litters, and upon mules, and upon swift beasts, to my holy mountain Jerusalem, saith the Lord, as the children of Israel bring an offering in a clean vessel into the house of the Lord.

21 And I will also take of them for priests and for Levites, saith the Lord.

22 For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the Lord, so shall your seed and your name remain.

You forgot to answer the question whether you think that this means you? You think you will be in Israel, and your brethren will be gathered there with you in Jerusalem etc?? Ha. Do you then also think you are part of the 144000 Jews from the 12 tribes in the Tribulation?

 

[Ronald Nolette]

The Kingdom Has Been Taken From Ethnic National Israel And Given To The Church, Water Under The Bridge, Never To Return

Matthew 21:42-43KJV
42 Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures, The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner: this is the Lord's doing, and it is marvellous in our eyes?
43 Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.

Like so many other things, you are dead wrong! If you had learned to read properly, you would know that this statement of Jesus is referring ot that generation of Israel.

Jer. 31 is still valid.

Jeremiah 31:31-33
King James Version

31 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:

32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the Lord:

33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the Lord, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.


When God says He will do something- know He will! that is why I can trust in my salvation staying secure!

Zechariah 12:8-9
King James Version

8 In that day shall the Lord defend the inhabitants of Jerusalem; and he that is feeble among them at that day shall be as David; and the house of David shall be as God, as the angel of the Lord before them.

9 And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem.


God is not through with the nation of Israel nor th epeople of Israel. Even Paul says that!

 

[Truth7t7]

No, they were not. There is a final several years of history, the last week of Daniel that is for dealing with Israel and having a remnant saved. Then that remnant, which is all of Israel that is still alive alive at the time will ge gathered by God Himself, and given that promised land as promised. It names countries that God will gather them from, it shows how He will Personally be their ruler and comfort them etc. That is not vague general promises to all Christians.
Example:
Isa 66
12 For thus saith the Lord, Behold, I will extend peace to her like a river, and the glory of the Gentiles like a flowing stream: then shall ye suck, ye shall be borne upon her sides, and be dandled upon her knees.

13 As one whom his mother comforteth, so will I comfort you; and ye shall be comforted in Jerusalem.

14 And when ye see this, your heart shall rejoice, and your bones shall flourish like an herb: and the hand of the Lord shall be known toward his servants, and his indignation toward his enemies.

15 For, behold, the Lord will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire.

16 For by fire and by his sword will the Lord plead with all flesh: and the slain of the Lord shall be many.

17 They that sanctify themselves, and purify themselves in the gardens behind one tree in the midst, eating swine's flesh, and the abomination, and the mouse, shall be consumed together, saith the Lord.

18 For I know their works and their thoughts: it shall come, that I will gather all nations and tongues; and they shall come, and see my glory.

19 And I will set a sign among them, and I will send those that escape of them unto the nations, to Tarshish, Pul, and Lud, that draw the bow, to Tubal, and Javan, to the isles afar off, that have not heard my fame, neither have seen my glory; and they shall declare my glory among the Gentiles.

20 And they shall bring all your brethren for an offering unto the Lord out of all nations upon horses, and in chariots, and in litters, and upon mules, and upon swift beasts, to my holy mountain Jerusalem, saith the Lord, as the children of Israel bring an offering in a clean vessel into the house of the Lord.

21 And I will also take of them for priests and for Levites, saith the Lord.

22 For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the Lord, so shall your seed and your name remain.

You forgot to answer the question whether you think that this means you? You think you will be in Israel, and your brethren will be gathered there with you in Jerusalem etc?? Ha. Do you then also think you are part of the 144000 Jews from the 12 tribes in the Tribulation?

Yes I'm part of the Church that has been given the Kingdom

Isaiah 66 that you present is nothing more than the second coming (The End)

The Kingdom Has Been Taken From Ethnic National Israel And Given To The Church, Water Under The Bridge, Never To Return

Matthew 21:42-43KJV
42 Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures, The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner: this is the Lord's doing, and it is marvellous in our eyes?
43 Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.

 

[Truth7t7]

Like so many other things, you are dead wrong! If you had learned to read properly, you would know that this statement of Jesus is referring ot that generation of Israel.

Jer. 31 is still valid.

Jeremiah 31:31-33
King James Version

31 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:

32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the Lord:

33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the Lord, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.


When God says He will do something- know He will! that is why I can trust in my salvation staying secure!

Zechariah 12:8-9
King James Version

8 In that day shall the Lord defend the inhabitants of Jerusalem; and he that is feeble among them at that day shall be as David; and the house of David shall be as God, as the angel of the Lord before them.

9 And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem.


God is not through with the nation of Israel nor th epeople of Israel. Even Paul says that!

Jesus Christ Returns In Fire And Final Judgement, Dissolving This Existing Earth By Fire, Immediately After The Tribulation?

This Existing Heaven And Earth Will Be (Replaced) By The New Heaven, Earth, Jerusalem, A New Creation, At The Return Of Jesus Christ?

(Behold, I Make All Things New)

2 Peter 3:10-13KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

Revelation 21:1-5KJV
1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.

Matthew 24:29-30KJV
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

1 Corinthians 3:13KJV
13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.

Luke 17:29-30KJV
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

2 Thessalonians 1:7-9KJV
7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

Malachi 3:2KJV
2 But who may abide the day of his coming? and who shall stand when he appeareth? for he is like a refiner's fire, and like fullers' soap:

Psalm 46:6KJV
6 The heathen raged, the kingdoms were moved: he uttered his voice, the earth melted.

Psalm 50:3KJV
3 Our God shall come, and shall not keep silence: a fire shall devour before him, and it shall be very tempestuous round about him.

Psalm 97:5KJV
5 The hills melted like wax at the presence of the Lord, at the presence of the Lord of the whole earth.

Isaiah 66:15KJV
15 For, behold, the Lord will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire.

Zechariah 14:12KJV
12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the Lord will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.

Nahum 1:5-6KJV
5 The mountains quake at him, and the hills melt, and the earth is burned at his presence, yea, the world, and all that dwell therein.
6 Who can stand before his indignation? and who can abide in the fierceness of his anger? his fury is poured out like fire, and the rocks are thrown down by him.

Revelation 20:9KJV
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Jesus Christ Returns In Fire And Final Judgement, Dissolving This Existing Earth By Fire, Immediately After The Tribulation?

This Existing Heaven And Earth Will Be (Replaced) By The New Heaven, Earth, Jerusalem, A New Creation, At The Return Of Jesus Christ?

I agree with all the verses you posted. but not your private interpretation of them.

I am glad that your own words end with a question mark. for the answer is no. If yo0u bothered to read ALL of Scripture you would know the answer is no as well. And if you stopped reinterpreting Gods Word to make them fit you rideas you would know your philosophy of the end is so damningly false.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Being a biblical deal does not mean God regathered people. It means that the end time revolves around that country and area as far as prophesies go. Some of Luke can be applied to the time of the Roman invasion, but that is not primarily what it is about as these verses show

Luke 21:25
And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;
Luke 21:26
Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.
Luke 21:27
And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.

Obviously that was not 70ad or 1948!

The three verses you posted? Of course not! But as you fail to recognize that the "Olivet Discourse is answering three questions the apostles asked- you form false conclusions based on a false understanding of the olivet discourse.

 

[dad]

9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

That is after the 1000 years.

7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,

8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.

9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.

12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

 

[dad]

The three verses you posted? Of course not! But as you fail to recognize that the "Olivet Discourse is answering three questions the apostles asked- you form false conclusions based on a false understanding of the olivet discourse.

So what in the discourse is it that I do not understand?

 

[Ronald Nolette]

So what? That does not mean God regathered them.

This is so foolish, I do no teven know how to answer it!

In history, yes. None that were applicable to the end times.

Correct! 1948. The return from Babylon was not a regathering from nations and was not in unbelief! REad Nehemiah and Ezra.
t'hese were written during the end of the seventy years and the return and resettling back in Israel from BABYLON! They came back to blessing not to be ge judged in Gods anger!

The first scattering of jews that became multiple nations was from 70-135 AD. The regathering fulfills that portion of Ez. 38 I showed you about Israel being a continual wasteland and brought back from the sword.

• Israel as a nation is still in unbelief (though tens of thousands of Jews in the land are believers). so they have been regathered in unbelief in Gods anger to force them into the new covenant of Jeremiah. This is proven in Isaiah, Jer. and Zech as well as other places which you liked when I posted three of them.

Once the 70th week starts 2/3 of all will die and the one third will pass through the refiners fire and receive the Lord. YOu have another regathering in unbelief sometime in the future. so what happens to the millions of Jews regathered now? they don't count?

You have given philosophical reasons why the regatheirng that has been taking place for 73 years now isn't of God. but no biblical evidence.