"Milk" is Doctrine, "Meat" is.....?

[David H.]

This is where trust fits in.

He is ALWAYS with us. If you will believe that, this opens the door to your enjoying His presence. 1 Do you think that if you believe, and you seek, that you WON'T find Him? You will.

Have you ever rejoiced in tribulations? I mean, really actually been happy over your suffering? Real feelings of gratitude even in the midst of real pain? Gratitude for that pain? Simply because you know that God is bringing you a gift through it? Or do you have to wait and find out what that gift is before you will rejoice?

1st paragraph, I agree with you, Seek Him and he will come to you, draw night to God and he will draw nigh to you. Actually he is knocking waiting for us to let him in is the more appropriate way to put it, and the question is what prevents him from drawing nigh to you.

2nd Paragraph. I rejoice continually in the face of tribulation, I am living in tribulations as we speak, and my health is failing, and am going through my "Job" moment as we speak.... But I seek not the pity of others, for my Joy is in the LORD. He is my strength. "To live is Christ, to die is gain." I live in poverty, But my treasure is in heaven. The things of this world are growing strangely dim the closer I get to him. The experience of His presence is very real in my life, as I have nothing else.

 

[marks]

Is Peter claiming ‘I will not forsake you?’ In But Peter said ‘Lord with you I am ready to go both to prison and to death!’

and He said “I say Peter, the rooster will not crow until you have denied three times knowing Me.”

Consider Peter’s “I am ready to go with you to prison and to death!” With ‘I have decided to deliver such a one to satan for the destruction [death] of the flesh’ … Simon, Simon, behold satan has demanded[permission] to sift you like wheat…

I think Peter truly meant that he would fight and die for Jesus, but when he realized Jesus was going to be crucified, his horror of that death won out, and he denied Him.

Maybe Peter needed to understand the bitterness of denial is worse than the bitterness of death. Where would we go? You have the words of life?

Much love!

 

[David H.]

Your comment comes across as, "Sure . . . you've drawn here to Him, BUT, Did He draw near to you? Huh?" My rewording is to reflect how I perceive the tone of your question.

The Problem is not with God but with man.... Man does not want to be in the presence of a Holy God so they make excuses not to be, just like Israel who could not stand the presence of a Holy God, and placed a veil between the Holy of Holies and the people. But we have a way through the veil by the blood of Christ. (Hebrews 10:19-24)

Read carefully every word in that passage as it is dealing with the topic we are discussing here.

 

[David H.]

Be honest, and maybe a little more self aware.

I Am being honest. There is no intent to impugn, you read that into my comments.

You think that because I am encouraging you to seek more of Christ that I am preaching from a pedestal of one upmanship over you, but for me it is a matter of fellowship and sharing of what the LORD has done for me. Like a well working relationship between a man and wife is a give and take between the two, so too is the fellowship between brethren in Christ.

Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove (Convict, refute), rebuke (Charge sharply), exhort (To encourage and strengthen) with all longsuffering and doctrine. (2 Timothy 4:2)

 

[bbyrd009]

gee, i wonder what if my meat offends my brother means?
lol

 

[marks]

hmm
i doubt it, but maybe

@David H.

Personally, I think this passage has a very clear spiritual application. They all did eat the same spiritual meat, and they wanted the normal stuff. God was feeding them from heaven, and they wanted earthly food.

Manna fully nourished them, but not the way they were used to, and not in the way that appealed to their fleshy senses.

To me this corrolates to trusting in Jesus for our reconciliation, or requiring obedience as "proof". To trusting that God's provision is sufficient, or needing to see the worlds riches to be satisfied. I very much see the "I'm sick of this manna, give us meat" as showing faith by itself rejected, in favor of what we can see.

Much love!

 

[marks]

I Am being honest. There is no intent to impugn, you read that into my comments.

Then with yourself.

The proof of the pudding is in the eating.

Out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks.

Much love!

 

[David H.]

Personally, I think this passage has a very clear spiritual application. They all did eat the same spiritual meat, and they wanted the normal stuff. God was feeding them from heaven, and they wanted earthly food.

Manna fully nourished them, but not the way they were used to, and not in the way that appealed to their fleshy senses.

To me this corrolates to trusting in Jesus for our reconciliation, or requiring obedience as "proof". To trusting that God's provision is sufficient, or needing to see the worlds riches to be satisfied. I very much see the "I'm sick of this manna, give us meat" as showing faith by itself rejected, in favor of what we can see.

I Agree, man's provision versus God's provision. The meat this OP is speaking of is not the same carnal meat the Israelites were speaking of.

 

[marks]

I Am being honest. There is no intent to impugn, you read that into my comments.

As long as you continue to express your negative and unfounded opinions of me, and continue to deny that you do this, that's not being honest. And the timing is indicative also. This routinely happens as I'm disagreeing with something you've written, and you switch from talking about the doctrine to talking about me, and in those kinds of ways. You don't have to accept my word on this. Go back through your posts.

Every time you describe me and my relationship with God in the ways you do, that's what you are doing. Sometimes directly, sometimes through innuendo, but I don't think you are being honest, no.

In point of fact, you have truly no idea about my relationship with God. You just don't. We've never met, I don't tend to talk much about myself, so, whatever you are saying, that's your opinion, and didn't anyone ever teach you to just keep your negative opinions to yourself?

Anyway, I don't mean to be so blunt, but sometimes I guess it just needs to be said.

Much love!

 

[marks]

It is a sincere question on my part, nothing more.... no "impugnity" intended....

I'm not being gaslighted here. I've read your posts off and on over the course of months, and I see how you write.

Much love!

 

[David H.]

Then with yourself.

The proof of the pudding is in the eating.

Out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks.

Reprove not a scorner, lest he hate thee: rebuke a wise man, and he will love thee. Give instruction to a wise man, and he will be yet wiser: teach a just man, and he will increase in learning. (Proverbs 9:8-9)

 

[David H.]

As long as you continue to express your negative and unfounded opinions of me, and continue to deny that you do this, that's not being honest. And the timing is indicative also. This routinely happens as I'm disagreeing with something you've written, and you switch from talking about the doctrine to talking about me, and in those kinds of ways. You don't have to accept my word on this. Go back through your posts.

Every time you describe me and my relationship with God in the ways you do, that's what you are doing. Sometimes directly, sometimes through innuendo, but I don't think you are being honest, no.

In point of fact, you have truly no idea about my relationship with God. You just don't. We've never met, I don't tend to talk much about myself, so, whatever you are saying, that's your opinion, and didn't anyone ever teach you to just keep your negative opinions to yourself?

Anyway, I don't mean to be so blunt, but sometimes I guess it just needs to be said.

No I do not know anything about your relationship with God, But the Holy Ghost does, and he is the one convicting you, not me... Quench not the Spirit...

 

[David H.]

I'm not being gaslighted here. I've read your posts off and on over the course of months, and I see how you write.

Gaslighting?
transitive verb

: to psychologically manipulate (a person) usually over an extended period of time so that the victim questions the validity of their own thoughts, perception of reality, or memories and experiences confusion, loss of confidence and self-esteem, and doubts concerning their own emotional or mental stability

The preaching Of the Gospel and of Christ Jesus is gaslighting? Oh Boy, all this shows is how reprobate your mind has become.... remember, I do not comment on your posts for the most part, you come to my posts and comment on them.... Think about that.... How am i gaslighting you if I have told you several times to not come to my posts and comment on them if you cannot handle them...

Is preaching more of Christ Jesus gaslighting? Is preaching about revival gaslighting? Is Preaching More of Christ gaslighting?

I come here to share what the LORD has done for me and shown me from scripture, and to have fellowship with other Christians, nothing more.

 

[bbyrd009]

The carnal mind of man is a deceiver. It tells man that it is able to know everything, and thereby producing complacency in the believer, and closing the door to the revelation of Mystery which comes from God. This is what happens to the Laodicea church, they have locked Christ out of the church. "They say they are rich and in need of nothing." "Ever learning and never arriving at the truth." "Men will run to and fro, and knowledge shall increase". "Tossed about by every wind of doctrine of the cunning craftiness of man".

The reliance on the wisdom of man is the "real pandemic" that is plaguing the church today. the denominationalism is the symptom of this plague....

Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. (1 Corinthians 2:13-14)

Let no man deceive himself. If any man among you seemeth to be wise in this world, let him become a fool, that he may be wise.
For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written, He taketh the wise in their own craftiness. (1 Corinthians 3:18-19)

we were talking physical v spiritual meat? maybe the subject changed?

 

[marks]

No I do not know anything about your relationship with God, But the Holy Ghost does, and he is the one convicting you, not me... Quench not the Spirit...

Again, you are the one expressing your negative opinions without consideration that this is all they are.

Much love!

 

[David H.]

Again, you are the one expressing your nagative opinions without consideration that this is all they are.

Put me on ignore if what i say bothers you so much... stop commenting on my posts if you feel like I am gaslighting you.

 

[marks]

Is preaching more of Christ Jesus gaslighting?

No. The gaslightting is your continual denials of, and your continual negative opinions expressed.

Much love!

 

[David H.]

we were talking physical v spiritual meat? maybe the subject changed?

Just trying to bring you back on topic from which meat is which to the Spiritual meat of the Word. Spiritual meat is the teaching of the Holy Ghost, not the teachings of men.

 

[marks]

stop commenting on my posts if you feel like I am gaslighting you.

At the moment I prefer to just call attention to it.

And the gaslightting isn't just me, you are on a public forum.

Much love!

 

[David H.]

No. The gaslightting is your continual denials of, and your continual negative opinions expressed.

All you are doing is crying victim.....