Silly question, but a thought provoking one:

[David in NJ]

No fun house about it, Mormonism is a Cult, and Joseph Smith was the Cult leader

God does not cozy up with doctrines of demons.

 

[bbyrd009]

ya, eating the fruit of knowledge sure makes one wise eh

 

[bbyrd009]

Using the word cult shows a lack of clarity

i dont think there is really anything wrong with “cults” at all, everyone is in one “culture” or another, im in a “cult,” etc. It is a judgemental word, used by the judgemental, imo. run.

 

[dev553344]

i dont think there is really anything wrong with “cults” at all, everyone is in one “culture” or another, im in a “cult,” etc. It is a judgemental word, used by the judgemental, imo. run.

Mormons have some false teachings from false prophets, but cult is usually reserved for devil worshipers and such, which is not the case for mormons.

 

[Grailhunter]

Everybody is welcome to the Truth = His Word

But everyone must follow the same instructions: Deuteronomy 4:1-2 , Proverbs 30:5-6 , Revelation 22:18-19

Correcting/rebuking heresies is an integral part of the Faith and Walk of Christ and His Holy Spirit, who constantly did battle with false doctrines/teachings and the spirit of error, which is the spirit of antichrist.

Any deviation from His Word leads us astray. It can be subtle and it can lead to death.

SEE - Serpent in the Garden in Genesis.

All denominations live in glass houses and share the sin of demolishing the Church of Christ. 30,000 Protestant denominations.
If it takes you over 30,000 attempts, did any of them understand much of anything in the beginning? It is more or less like watching someone shooting in the dark.
I mean really, after 30,000 attempts, I would say that the Bible is just not their thing, because obviously they cannot understand it.
Who would want to see the Church of Christ fractured into 30,000 denominations?
What do you think Christ and the Apostles would say about those that do not go to church and have their own "church of ones?"
Church of ones, millions and millions of renditions of the Bible, what would Christ and the Apostles say about that?
Do you think that the Word of God died after the biblical era?
Do you think that God retired?
Do you think that some one forbid Him to speak again?
Do you think that someone tied 'em up and gagged God and put Him a corner?
Do you think that the Bible indicates that Christ told us everything we need to know?

I am not a Mormon, but I never met one I did not like.

 

[bbyrd009]

“I am not a Mormon, but I never met one I did not like”
right?

Mormons have some false teachings from false prophets, but cult is usually reserved for devil worshipers and such, which is not the case for mormons.

oh, i imagine some of them worship as many “devils” as i do, lol
point was we are all in some “cult” or other, regardless of how most believers use the term

 

[David in NJ]

All denominations live in glass houses and share the sin of demolishing the Church of Christ. 30,000 Protestant denominations.
If it takes you over 30,000 attempts, did any of them understand much of anything in the beginning?
I mean really, after 30,000 attempts, I would say that the Bible is just not their thing, because obviously they cannot understand it.
Who would want to see the Church of Christ fractured into 30,000 denominations?
What do you think Christ and the Apostles would say about those do not go to church and have their own "church of ones?"
Church of ones, millions and millions of renditions of the Bible, what would Christ and the Apostles say about that?
Do you think that the Word of God died after the biblical era?
Do you think that God retired?
Do you think that some one forbid Him to speak again?
Do you think that someone tied up and gagged God and put Him a corner?
Do you think that the Bible indicates that Christ told us everything we need to know?

I am not a Mormon, but I never met one I did not like.

God never left His Throne
and HE never abandons His Own
HE is the King of Righteousness
better take heed or you will miss
HE made Straight our Paths
it is not hard to do the Math
There is One Elohim who came to earth
HE came to overcome the Dearth
In His Cup is Fullness of Life
Drink from It and you become His Wife
Never a moment will HE let you go
HIS Hand is Strong from the Get-Go
prophets come and prophets go
Only the Truth will Christ Show
Never a moment, never a time
Will Christ come up short
and leave you behind

 

[Grailhunter]

God never left His Throne
and HE never abandons His Own
HE is the King of Righteousness
better take heed or you will miss
HE made Straight our Paths
it is not hard to do the Math
There is One Elohim who came to earth
HE came to overcome the Dearth
In His Cup is Fullness of Life
Drink from It and you become His Wife
Never a moment will HE let you go
HIS Hand is Strong from the Get-Go
prophets come and prophets go
Only the Truth will Christ Show
Never a moment, never a time
Will Christ come up short
and leave you behind

You are stating a religious belief. I get that. But that does not mean that you understand the scriptures.
30,000 attempts at understanding the scriptures, or the millions that come up with their own understanding of the scriptures does not even remotely suggest that they or you understand the scriptures at the most elementary level.

Overall the point is, the cat is out of the bag....the can of worms has escaped....we are all in the same glass boat, is there a benefit to throwing rocks at each other. A bunch of people with different beliefs, that don't like different beliefs.

Don't get me wrong....I don't like some religions either....There are real cults....captive people and mind control....and there are religions that believe God has denied free-will....religions that don't believe Christ is a God....or do not believe in hell or believe that no matter how much you sin, you are going to heaven....I don't like all that....but most of them I am going to call Christians and I worship with some of them.

A good indication of false religions are those that the professional interventionists have to intervene to save people from these groups.

 

[Jane_Doe22]

Everybody is welcome to the Truth = His Word

But everyone must follow the same instructions: Deuteronomy 4:1-2 , Proverbs 30:5-6 , Revelation 22:18-19

Correcting/rebuking heresies is an integral part of the Faith and Walk of Christ and His Holy Spirit, who constantly did battle with false doctrines/teachings and the spirit of error, which is the spirit of antichrist.

Discussing beliefs is a good thing. Such should be done with charity and being accurate.

Things like mocking, strawman arguments, and name calling are not Christ-like behaviors and don't bring anyone closer to Him.

 

[David in NJ]

You are stating a religious belief. I get that. But that does not mean that you understand the scriptures.
30,000 attempts at understanding the scriptures, or the millions that come up with their own understanding of the scriptures does not even remotely suggest that they or you understand the scriptures at the most elementary level.

Overall the point is, the cat is out of the bag....the can of worms has escaped....we are all in the same glass boat, is there a benefit to throwing rocks at each other. A bunch of people with different beliefs, that don't like different beliefs.

Don't get me wrong....I don't like some religions either....There are real cults....captive people and mind control....and there are religions that believe God has denied free-will....religions that don't believe Christ is a God....or do not believe in hell or believe that no matter how much you sin, you are going to heaven....I don't like all that....but most of them I am going to call Christians and I worship with some of them.

A good indication of false religions are those that the professional interventionists have to intervene to save people from these groups.

You are too funny friend - i got a good laugh - ty

 

[David in NJ]

Discussing beliefs is a good thing. Such should be done with charity and being accurate.

Things like mocking, strawman arguments, and name calling are not Christ-like behaviors and don't bring anyone closer to Him.

Refresh your spirit, mind and soul on the clear stern rebukes our Lord and the Apostles dished out to cult leaders, false teachers and false prophets.

This isn't a game and there is no unity between God and Belial.

And it came to pass after these things that Naboth the Jezreelite had a vineyard which was in Jezreel, next to the palace of Ahab king of Samaria. 2So Ahab spoke to Naboth, saying, “Give me your vineyard, that I may have it for a vegetable garden, because it is near, next to my house; and for it I will give you a vineyard better than it. Or, if it seems good to you, I will give you its worth in money.”

3But Naboth said to Ahab, “The Lord forbid that I should give the inheritance of my fathers to you!”

4So Ahab went into his house sullen and displeased because of the word which Naboth the Jezreelite had spoken to him; for he had said, “I will not give you the inheritance of my fathers.” And he lay down on his bed, and turned away his face, and would eat no food. 5But Jezebel his wife came to him, and said to him, “Why is your spirit so sullen that you eat no food?”

6He said to her, “Because I spoke to Naboth the Jezreelite, and said to him, ‘Give me your vineyard for money; or else, if it pleases you, I will give you another vineyard for it.’ And he answered, ‘I will not give you my vineyard.’ ”

7Then Jezebel his wife said to him, “You now exercise authority over Israel! Arise, eat food, and let your heart be cheerful; I will give you the vineyard of Naboth the Jezreelite.”

8And she wrote letters in Ahab’s name, sealed them with his seal, and sent the letters to the elders and the nobles who were dwelling in the city with Naboth. 9She wrote in the letters, saying,

Proclaim a fast, and seat Naboth [a]with high honor among the people; 10and seat two men, scoundrels, before him to bear witness against him, saying, “You have blasphemed God and the king.” Then take him out, and stone him, that he may die.

11So the men of his city, the elders and nobles who were inhabitants of his city, did as Jezebel had sent to them, as it was written in the letters which she had sent to them. 12They proclaimed a fast, and seated Naboth with high honor among the people. 13And two men, scoundrels, came in and sat before him; and the scoundrels witnessed against him, against Naboth, in the presence of the people, saying, “Naboth has blasphemed God and the king!” Then they took him outside the city and stoned him with stones, so that he died. 14Then they sent to Jezebel, saying, “Naboth has been stoned and is dead.”

15And it came to pass, when Jezebel heard that Naboth had been stoned and was dead, that Jezebel said to Ahab, “Arise, take possession of the vineyard of Naboth the Jezreelite, which he refused to give you for money; for Naboth is not alive, but dead.” 16So it was, when Ahab heard that Naboth was dead, that Ahab got up and went down to take possession of the vineyard of Naboth the Jezreelite.

 

[farouk]

I don’t understand the created part, because the Word already existed.

@MatthewG Indeed, the Word 'was in the beginning with God' (John 1). Hebrews 1: "Unto the Son He saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever".

John 3.16 gloriously declares that the One Who was given was the Son; He did not supposedly become the Son when He was Given.

 

[Jane_Doe22]

Refresh your spirit, mind and soul on the clear stern rebukes our Lord and the Apostles dished out to cult leaders, false teachers and false prophets.

This isn't a game and there is no unity between God and Belial.

And it came to pass after these things that Naboth the Jezreelite had a vineyard which was in Jezreel, next to the palace of Ahab king of Samaria. 2So Ahab spoke to Naboth, saying, “Give me your vineyard, that I may have it for a vegetable garden, because it is near, next to my house; and for it I will give you a vineyard better than it. Or, if it seems good to you, I will give you its worth in money.”

3But Naboth said to Ahab, “The Lord forbid that I should give the inheritance of my fathers to you!”

4So Ahab went into his house sullen and displeased because of the word which Naboth the Jezreelite had spoken to him; for he had said, “I will not give you the inheritance of my fathers.” And he lay down on his bed, and turned away his face, and would eat no food. 5But Jezebel his wife came to him, and said to him, “Why is your spirit so sullen that you eat no food?”

6He said to her, “Because I spoke to Naboth the Jezreelite, and said to him, ‘Give me your vineyard for money; or else, if it pleases you, I will give you another vineyard for it.’ And he answered, ‘I will not give you my vineyard.’ ”

7Then Jezebel his wife said to him, “You now exercise authority over Israel! Arise, eat food, and let your heart be cheerful; I will give you the vineyard of Naboth the Jezreelite.”

8And she wrote letters in Ahab’s name, sealed them with his seal, and sent the letters to the elders and the nobles who were dwelling in the city with Naboth. 9She wrote in the letters, saying,

Proclaim a fast, and seat Naboth [a]with high honor among the people; 10and seat two men, scoundrels, before him to bear witness against him, saying, “You have blasphemed God and the king.” Then take him out, and stone him, that he may die.

11So the men of his city, the elders and nobles who were inhabitants of his city, did as Jezebel had sent to them, as it was written in the letters which she had sent to them. 12They proclaimed a fast, and seated Naboth with high honor among the people. 13And two men, scoundrels, came in and sat before him; and the scoundrels witnessed against him, against Naboth, in the presence of the people, saying, “Naboth has blasphemed God and the king!” Then they took him outside the city and stoned him with stones, so that he died. 14Then they sent to Jezebel, saying, “Naboth has been stoned and is dead.”

15And it came to pass, when Jezebel heard that Naboth had been stoned and was dead, that Jezebel said to Ahab, “Arise, take possession of the vineyard of Naboth the Jezreelite, which he refused to give you for money; for Naboth is not alive, but dead.” 16So it was, when Ahab heard that Naboth was dead, that Ahab got up and went down to take possession of the vineyard of Naboth the Jezreelite.

Again:

Discussing beliefs is a good thing. Such should be done with charity and being accurate.

Things like mocking, strawman arguments, and name calling are not Christ-like behaviors and don't bring anyone closer to Him.

 

[David in NJ]

Again, here is GREAT LOVE for EVERYONE

Everybody is welcome to the Truth = His Word

But everyone must follow the same instructions: Deuteronomy 4:1-2 , Proverbs 30:5-6 , Revelation 22:18-19

Correcting/rebuking heresies is an integral part of the Faith and Walk of Christ and His Holy Spirit, who constantly did battle with false doctrines/teachings and the spirit of error, which is the spirit of antichrist.

Ask, and it will be given to you; seek, and you will find; knock, and it will be opened to you. 8For everyone who asks receives, and he who seeks finds, and to him who knocks it will be opened. 9Or what man is there among you who, if his son asks for bread, will give him a stone? 10Or if he asks for a fish, will he give him a serpent? 11If you then, being evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father who is in heaven give good things to those who ask Him! 12Therefore, whatever you want men to do to you, do also to them, for this is the Law and the Prophets.

13“Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it. 14[c]Because narrow is the gate and [d]difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it.

Any deviation from His Word leads us astray. It can be subtle and it can lead to death.

SEE - Serpent in the Garden in Genesis.

 

[Jane_Doe22]

Correcting/rebuking heresies is an integral part of the Faith and Walk of Christ and His Holy Spirit, who constantly did battle with false doctrines/teachings and the spirit of error, which is the spirit of antichrist.

Then actually talk to people about what they believe and (most importantly) talk to them about their relationship with Christ.

Skip the mocking and name calling.

 

[Wrangler]

@MatthewG Indeed, the Word 'was in the beginning with God' (John 1).

Right, and the word is a WHAT not a WHO. The words of God are an attribute of God, just as anyone's word's are an attribute of that being. When the President says X, the word of the President does not become an additional being.

Hebrews 1: "Unto the Son He saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever".

It's so funny to see people use Middle English to impose a trinitarian interpretation. I have an Irish background and am intimately familiar with the O'Malley's, O'Leary's, etc. The "O" means of the clan following it. In other words, "O God" means the servant is of God. This is not the same as the servant is God. NOTE: In the very next verse God refers to himself in the 3rd person, saying "Your God has anointed you." Anointed. This is the title for Jesus. Who was the man anointed by? Jesus was anointed by God, in his unitarian nature.

8 But to the Son he says,

“Your throne, O God, endures forever and ever.
You rule with a scepter of justice.
9 You love justice and hate evil.
Therefore, O God, your God has anointed you,
pouring out the oil of joy on you more than on anyone else.”
Hebrews 1:8-9 (NLT)

John 3.16 gloriously declares that the One Who was given was the Son; He did not supposedly become the Son when He was Given.

Yes, Jesus was given but who was the giver in John 3:16? God, in his unitarian nature.

 

[David in NJ]

Then actually talk to people about what they believe and (most importantly) talk to them about their relationship with Christ.

Skip the mocking and name calling.

i have found that the one's who are first to mock and name call are, in fact, the cultists and those who do not like to accept Scripture, His Son and the Holy Spirit as the means which God has chosen for ALL People to know Him by.

mocking and name calling ???
i just check my previous posts and you are barking up the wrong Tree

 

[farouk]

Right, and the word is a WHAT not a WHO. The words of God are an attribute of God, just as anyone's word's are an attribute of that being. When the President says X, the word of the President does not become an additional being.



It's so funny to see people use Middle English to impose a trinitarian interpretation. I have an Irish background and am intimately familiar with the O'Malley's, O'Leary's, etc. The "O" means of the clan following it. In other words, "O God" means the servant is of God. This is not the same as the servant is God. NOTE: In the very next verse God refers to himself in the 3rd person, saying "Your God has anointed you." Anointed. This is the title for Jesus. Who was the man anointed by? Jesus was anointed by God, in his unitarian nature.

8 But to the Son he says,

“Your throne, O God, endures forever and ever.
You rule with a scepter of justice.
9 You love justice and hate evil.
Therefore, O God, your God has anointed you,
pouring out the oil of joy on you more than on anyone else.”
Hebrews 1:8-9 (NLT)



Yes, Jesus was given but who was the giver in John 3:16? God, in his unitarian nature.

No, no and no.

 

[David in NJ]

Right, and the word is a WHAT not a WHO. The words of God are an attribute of God, just as anyone's word's are an attribute of that being. When the President says X, the word of the President does not become an additional being.



It's so funny to see people use Middle English to impose a trinitarian interpretation. I have an Irish background and am intimately familiar with the O'Malley's, O'Leary's, etc. The "O" means of the clan following it. In other words, "O God" means the servant is of God. This is not the same as the servant is God. NOTE: In the very next verse God refers to himself in the 3rd person, saying "Your God has anointed you." Anointed. This is the title for Jesus. Who was the man anointed by? Jesus was anointed by God, in his unitarian nature.

8 But to the Son he says,

“Your throne, O God, endures forever and ever.
You rule with a scepter of justice.
9 You love justice and hate evil.
Therefore, O God, your God has anointed you,
pouring out the oil of joy on you more than on anyone else.”
Hebrews 1:8-9 (NLT)



Yes, Jesus was given but who was the giver in John 3:16? God, in his unitarian nature.

What is a "unitarian nature."

 

[Wrangler]

Yes, Jesus was given but who was the giver in John 3:16? God, in his unitarian nature.

No, no and no.

What an erudite reply. What translation does not identify God, in his unitarian nature, as the giver in John 3:16?