Silly question, but a thought provoking one:

[ScottA]

So, you believe men ARE God?

It doesn't matter what I believe. But, no, I do not believe it, I know it, for it is written.

Having said that, all men are not One with God. But those who are, are his body, and as such, are One with him. The problem here only exists when men think as men think.

 

[Wrangler]

It doesn't matter what I believe. But, no, I do not believe it, I know it, for it is written.

Having said that, all men are not One with God. But those who are, are his body, and as such, are One with him. The problem here only exists when men think as men think.

Being a man, can you think any way other than how a man thinks?

 

[Robert Gwin]

I've noticed that also about David.

I hope we are wrong about him Wrangler

 

[Wrangler]

I hope we are wrong about him Wrangler

Well, no one has to be a master as rhetoric to inherent the kingdom of God.

 

[David in NJ]

I hope we are wrong about him Wrangler

You Guys have me laughing this morning - Thank You

Please review posts 421, 422 and 424

 

[Robert Gwin]

He didn't have to.

But that is the rescue mission. All the world was created as an unpacking of the evil that occurred before God, and then the rescue by Christ, and then the repacking up again. Then comes the end.

Hi Scott, one might wonder the significance of the whys and wherefores of the sacrifice. It has to do with God's perfect law, soul for soul to be exact. When perfection is lost, perfection has to be sacrificed to buy back what was lost. Perhaps one day we will understand why it is necessary.

 

[Robert Gwin]

Your whole argument is out in the weeds. You are trying to make a case for scripture being literature. It's not. It must be discerned spiritually. The words are spirit.

And you have also made the mistake of thinking that the word of God has been under the power and control of men (who mistranslated it). Again, it's not. God's word is under His providence alone.

Not at all sir, the comic strip was designed to show the error of the trinity doctrine. It was a family circus comic that I copied. I tried to find the link but was unable to, sorry.

 

[Robert Gwin]

God didn’t send himself to earth. God sent his Word to earth, and the Word of God was born into flesh named Jesus. God was with the Lord Jesus by the Holy Spirit when He was baptized in the spirit, when John the Baptist baptized him in the Jordan River.

The Word of Yahweh and Yahweh being God are one together. They were one together when the world was created.

Yahweh spoke -> and Yahweh gave his Word the power to create.

This is the mature state of the belief that Jesus Christ though in a body of flesh was the direct image of God the brightness of Gods glory resembled in an undesirable flesh nature. According to scriptures anyway.

When Jesus died He gave up the spirit, and died. God did not die. Jesus gave up the Holy Spirit I think and the logos of God died, and went to sheol and God raised his Word back up from the dead on the third day according to scriptures.

I do not submit to the trinity doctrine but I also believe that the Word of God and becomes one with God again after everything has been finished and the Word of God and God becoming one make Jesus the Lord God Almighty.


it’s all up to you how you are gonna believe and see these things it’s very healthy to read the word of God and don’t believe me or anything I say I’m just a man sharing what I’ve seen in the word.

May God guide you to the truth if you desire to know this more and May the spirit lead,

Take care,
Matthew G.


“For “He has put all things under His feet.” But when He says “all things are put under Him,” it is evident that He who put all things under Him is excepted. Now when all things are made subject to Him, then the Son Himself will also be subject to Him who put all things under Him, that God may be all in all.”
‭‭I Corinthians‬ ‭15:27-28‬ ‭NKJV‬‬


“God, who at various times and in various ways spoke in time past to the fathers by the prophets, has in these last days spoken to us by His Son, whom He has appointed heir of all things, through whom also He made the worlds; who being the brightness of His glory and the express image of His person, and upholding all things by the word of His power, when He had by Himself purged our sins, sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high, having become so much better than the angels, as He has by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭1:1-4‬ ‭NKJV‬‬


This is talking about Jesus giving everything back to the Father.

The "beginning" referred to in Jn 1:1 referred to the creation Matt, or in other words the beginning of time. In so doing that beginning put the Word with Jehovah. The Word, which means God's spokesman, was the beginning of the creation of God Rev 3:14. They are one, similar to the way a husband and wife are one Gen 2:24, in unity. They are not the same individual, and although Jesus always does the will of Jehovah his Father, he is no different than satan was, and can choose to disobey if he wanted to. What makes Jesus unique among the other angels is, he was created exclusively by Jehovah Himself, since nothing else existed, hence rendering him the title of only-begotten. Does this make sense Matt?

 

[MatthewG]

I don’t understand the created part, because the Word already existed. Then the Word was sent into becoming flesh -> is that what you mean by created?

 

[bbyrd009]

Hi Scott, one might wonder the significance of the whys and wherefores of the sacrifice. It has to do with God's perfect law, soul for soul to be exact. When perfection is lost, perfection has to be sacrificed to buy back what was lost. Perhaps one day we will understand why it is necessary.

bc under the law nearly every sin requires blood i guess
iow it is a marker of where one is spiritually
No son of man may die for another’s sins
Esau could tell us why its necessary, i bet!

 

[bbyrd009]

Your whole argument is out in the weeds. You are trying to make a case for scripture being literature. It's not. It must be discerned spiritually. The words are spirit.

And you have also made the mistake of thinking that the word of God has been under the power and control of men (who mistranslated it). Again, it's not. God's word is under His providence alone.

“it’s like this and like that and like this?”
i mean we are warned about scribes, right

 

[MatthewG]

@Robert Gwin I have done a study on these things already. And not sure what you may have to teach me myself. I’m sure you have a lot of different kinds of insights about things, you seem very meek and desiring to help others learn your own way of thinking and I don’t really have any problem with it.

You have to do what you gotta do, and so do I.

As long as you believe that Jesus Christ, was sent by God whom was the Word of God, and died on the cross for your sins, and that you can find forgiveness there in faith in Christ Jesus which makes you a son or daughter of God in where God pours out the Holy Spirit into your heart and you now have the Holy Spirit and the spirit of Christ now in you because of faith and you believe Jesus died on the cross, and was buried and raised again, by God and because everything that Jesus did makes you right with God and there is nothing one can add or take away from what Jesus had done.

That is a good thing for you to know or any believer who is a Christian.

I encourage all to read their Bibles that be it the king James, or new living translation, or nasb anyone of the Bible’s that have the 66 canonical books is useful to study from.

 

[bbyrd009]

Not at all sir, the comic strip was designed to show the error of the trinity doctrine. It was a family circus comic that I copied. I tried to find the link but was unable to, sorry.

google images knows all i guess too lol

 

[Jane_Doe22]

Just kidding Dave, Elohim is the Mormon handle for the Kolob god

You had me nervous - VERY Happy you were kidding - Love U Brother

FYI, “Mormons” are welcomed on this board and you putting someone else’s beliefs through a fun-hous-mirror to mock them is extremely poor behavior.

 

[David in NJ]

Your whole argument is out in the weeds. You are trying to make a case for scripture being literature. It's not. It must be discerned spiritually. The words are spirit.

And you have also made the mistake of thinking that the word of God has been under the power and control of men (who mistranslated it). Again, it's not. God's word is under His providence alone.

CORRECT - God performed His Word against all that satan and sinful men could throw at Him.

All cults, RCC, JW, Mormon, and so on dismay the undiscerning thru 'intellect', carnal reasoning and outward false/conterfeit display of holiness.

 

[Truth7t7]

FYI, “Mormons” are welcomed on this board and you putting someone else’s beliefs through a fun-hous-mirror to mock them is extremely poor behavior.

No fun house about it, Mormonism is a Cult, and Joseph Smith was the Cult leader

 

[dev553344]

FYI, “Mormons” are welcomed on this board and you putting someone else’s beliefs through a fun-hous-mirror to mock them is extremely poor behavior.

I was raised Mormon, and many Christian could learn a great deal from them. I don't follow all of the Mormon teachings as I feel they have some false prophecy in there that they follow. But many of the teachings are good. And it is a more orthodox type Church than others.

 

[dev553344]

No fun house about it, Mormonism is a Cult, and Joseph Smith was the Cult leader

Using the word cult shows a lack of clarity. Mormons simply adhere to the belief that they have a prophet. They follow mostly orthodox teachings, which is better than some people follow.

 

[David in NJ]

FYI, “Mormons” are welcomed on this board and you putting someone else’s beliefs through a fun-hous-mirror to mock them is extremely poor behavior.

Everybody is welcome to the Truth = His Word

But everyone must follow the same instructions: Deuteronomy 4:1-2 , Proverbs 30:5-6 , Revelation 22:18-19

Correcting/rebuking heresies is an integral part of the Faith and Walk of Christ and His Holy Spirit, who constantly did battle with false doctrines/teachings and the spirit of error, which is the spirit of antichrist.

 

[David in NJ]

Using the word cult shows a lack of clarity. Mormons simply adhere to the belief that they have a prophet. They follow mostly orthodox teachings, which is better than some people follow.

Everybody is welcome to the Truth = His Word

But everyone must follow the same instructions: Deuteronomy 4:1-2 , Proverbs 30:5-6 , Revelation 22:18-19

Correcting/rebuking heresies is an integral part of the Faith and Walk of Christ and His Holy Spirit, who constantly did battle with false doctrines/teachings and the spirit of error, which is the spirit of antichrist.

Any deviation from His Word leads us astray. It can be subtle and it can lead to death.

SEE - Serpent in the Garden in Genesis.