Eternal Security

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Now we are the children of God, and it does not yet appear what we shall be, but we know that when we see Him, we will be like Him, for we shall see Him as He is. He who has this hope purifies himself, even as He is pure.

What a fool that would be to "know" what is false! And such an important matter!

But what do we say of the man who denies the knowledge by which they would be purified? Sad!

Much love!

 

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What is "justified"?

Literally speaking, rendered righteous.

Is justification ever undone in the Bible? Is the justified condemned somewhere?

Much love!

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

Sonship. He shares our humanity, and we share His Sonship.

He became a man, so we can become sons of God.

Much love!

And with sonship comes inheritance. It's lots more than a title, or position. We are Co-heirs with Christ. I know knew that, just thought I'd reiterate all the things above that we are to focus on - so many perfect things.

 

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"Solomon Grundy was born on a Monday,
Married on a Tuesday,
Took ill on a Wednesday,
Worse on a Thursday,
Died on a Friday,
Buried on a Saturday,
And that was the end of Solomon Grundy."

(I don't see that Solomon Grudy was ever unsaved on a Wednesday if he was preeviously saved on a Tuesday, either. This would be to reject the believer's eternal security in Christ.)

If Mssr. Grundy was raised with Christ on Tuesday, he will appear with Christ in Glory, whenever it shall be that Christ appears. Simplicity itself!

Much love!

 

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Are you finally going to get it if I explain it one more time?

No explainations are required, considering how simply stated this is. The only question . . . do you believe it? I don't think you do, because you have to keep adding words before you will voice your agreement.

"Oh, yes, it's true, but only if . . ."

In which case you seem to think there are instances it's not true.

This will go on and on, because that passage will not change what it says, and that is what it says.

Much love!

 

[Ferris Bueller]

In which case you seem to think there are instances it's not true.

It's always true...for those who are risen in him, not for those who used to be risen in him.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

The only question . . . do you beleive it? I don't think you do, because you have to keep adding words before you will voice your agreement.

I agree with it completely.
It is written for those risen in Christ, not for those who used to be risen in Christ.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

Is justification ever undone in the Bible?

"23Let us hold resolutely to the hope we profess" Hebrews 10:23​

Why does the author exhort justified people to keep believing in that which justifies them?
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"26If we deliberately go on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no further sacrifice for sins remains, 27but only a fearful expectation of judgment and of raging fire" Hebrews 10:26-27​

 

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those who used to be risen in him.

The passage leaves no place for that concept, someone who "used to be risen".

Colossians 3:1-4 KJV
1) If ye then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God.
2) Set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth.
3) For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God.
4) When Christ, who is our life, shall appear, then shall ye also appear with him in glory.

Those who be "risen with Christ" shall also appear with Him in glory.

You've written above, "risen in him", I don't mind that statement per se, however, it's not what the passage itself says, and casts a different light from what is actually written.

"Risen with" is translating synegeirō, "to raise together with". The prefix "syn" means we are sharing the action. I know you know this, I write it for other readers. It's the same idea as in Galatians 2:22, "I am crucified together with Christ", or "I am co-crucified with Christ". We are both together on the cross crucified. It's just what the word means.

This isn't saying we are "risen in Christ", with your subsequent supposition that we could somehow move into and out of Christ, into and out of resurrection, rather, that Christ was raised from 'among the dead ones', and we were raised with Him.

Here, it's saying we share the action of being raised from among the dead ones, He and I, raised up together. And this having happened, then comes the prophecy, shall ye also be revealed with Him. That same word, "syn", revealed together with Him.

I understand your arguments about what we have in Christ, that "should we stop being 'in Christ', we stop enjoying those benefits", not that I agree for a moment that someone leaves Christ, having been joined to Him. Passages like this one I'm presenting eliminate that possibility.

Having been co-raised with Christ, you are hid with Him in God, and when He appears, you will co-appear in glory.

Much love!

 

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"23Let us hold resolutely to the hope we profess" Hebrews 10:23​

Why does the author exhort justified people to keep believing in that which justifies them?
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"26If we deliberately go on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no further sacrifice for sins remains, 27but only a fearful expectation of judgment and of raging fire" Hebrews 10:26-27​

These do not answer the question.

Let us hold resolutely to the hope we profess. Why?

What is Biblical hope? It is what your faith tells you awaits you. Jesus said He would raise our bodies to everlasting life. We believe Him. Our hope is the resurrection. Because we believe Jesus' promise, we expect physical resurrection after our death in this world.

Let us hold resolutely to this hope. Why?

Here are some possible answers.

Because we account Him true Who promised.
Because we are confident in ourselves that we will successfully be able to "keep believing" to the end.
Because if we don't hold resolutely to this hope, then all is lost, and we are lost.

Because we account Him true Who promised.

Much love!

 

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"26If we deliberately go on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no further sacrifice for sins remains, 27but only a fearful expectation of judgment and of raging fire" Hebrews 10:26-27

Put the passage in context and remove the confusion. What sacrifices were being offered by the Hebrews in those days? That they were thinking would spare them from God's wrath?

What might they have learned to tell them God wasn't looking for animal sacrifices any longer?

Much love!

 

[kcnalp]

Written to Christians:

Romans 11:22 (NKJV)

22 Therefore consider the goodness and severity of God: on those who fell, severity; but toward you, goodness, if you continue in His goodness. Otherwise you also will be cut off.

 

[amigo de christo]

According to Ferris I have the power to pluck myself.

According to paul if we dont continue in His goodness we will be cast out . Folks forget
many things are written in the bible , they are their for our learning .
Every early teacher knew One had to continue in Christ to the end . Today if we say such a thing
we get told we are legalistic .
The problem is most folks are following another jesus . NOT JESUS . As for me , JESUS is all i have
and HIS every word is for my good . I wont be throwing any of his reminders and warnings out
for what men teach .

 

[Wynona]

What is "justified"?

Literally speaking, rendered righteous.

Is justification ever undone in the Bible? Is the justified condemned somewhere?

Much love!

Yes. Hebrews 6.

4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,

5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,

6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

You've written above, "risen in him", I don't mind that statement per se, however, it's not what the passage itself says, and casts a different light from what is actually written.

No, it doesn't cast a different light. To be with him is to be in him.

"Risen with" is translating synegeirō, "to raise together with". The prefix "syn" means we are sharing the action. I know you know this, I write it for other readers. It's the same idea as in Galatians 2:22, "I am crucified together with Christ", or "I am co-crucified with Christ". We are both together on the cross crucified. It's just what the word means.

Look at the parallel passage in Romans to the Colossians 3:1-4 passage. "In" and "with", no difference. With him means in him..

"3Or aren’t you aware that all of us who were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into His death? 4We were therefore buried with Him through baptism into death, in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, we too may walk in newness of life.5For if we have been united with Him like this in His death, we will certainly also be united with Him in His resurrection." Romans 6:3-5​

This isn't saying we are "risen in Christ", with your subsequent supposition that we could somehow move into and out of Christ, into and out of resurrection, rather, that Christ was raised from 'among the dead ones', and we were raised with Him.

"6And God raised us up with Christ and seated us with Him in the heavenly realms in Christ Jesus, 7in order that in the coming ages He might display the surpassing riches of His grace, demonstrated by His kindness to us in Christ Jesus." Ephesians 2:6-7
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You're grasping for an argument where one doesn't exist.

 

[GRACE ambassador]

There are a lot of verses warning that we must endure in faith till the end.

Here are just a few:

Matthew 13:18-23

Romans 11:20-22

1 Corinthians 15:2

2 Corinthians 13:5

Galatians 5:1-4

1 Timothy 4:1

1 Timothy 5:11-15

Hebrews 3:6

Hebrews 3:12-15

Hebrews 12:14-15

2 Peter 2:20-22

Precious friend, thanks for input to examine. # You left out Mat_10:22 "And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved." Just wondering why that was? Anyways, to address the rest of them, Mat_10:22 and these belong In God's Context:

For ISRAEL, From CHRIST to the Twelve on the earth, Under Prophecy and the law:
Matthew_10:22 "endure to the end" Is Consistent With: "faith PLUS works"
Matthew_13:18-23
Hebrews_3:6
Hebrews_3:12-15
Hebrews_12:14-15
2 Peter_2:20-22
These are in God's Context of prophecy, Under The Law {faith PLUS works},
warning ISRAEL "to endure," and we can learn From Them, But, They Must
Not Be MIXED Up With, And, They Must Be:

Rightly Divided (2 Timothy 2:15) From “Things That DIFFER!” {online}:

What IS FOR US, The Body Of CHRIST, Today, Under GRACE (Through faith),
In The Revelation Of The MYSTERY, Revealed From CHRIST, To ONE apostle,
Paul, From Heaven!:

Yes, we must examine These, Which Are In God's Context FOR us, Today,
Under GRACE, to see "IF we Also must endure to the end" To Be Saved, so
let's take a look, shall we?

Are They Plain And Clear, and state, as some teach "Only those that endure
to the end shall be saved? Or, are they Obscure/Difficult/Dubious when
Compared to The Multitude Of (12 Dozen * vs 14?) Scriptures teaching
we are "saved By GRACE Through faith/trust/heart belief In The:

All-Sufficient Precious BLOOD, And Resurrection Of JESUS CHRIST"?:

(1)
Romans_11:20-22
"Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:
Rom 11:21 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.
Rom 11:22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off."

a) Interpreting this as "endure to the end to be saved" Contradicts 2 Timothy 2:19:

"Nevertheless The Foundation of God Standeth Sure, having This SEAL, The
LORD Knoweth them that are His...." Q: How long has "He Known His Own"?:

"According as He Hath Chosen us In Him Before the foundation of the world, that
we should be holy and without blame before Him in love:" (Ephesians 1:4)

b) Thus, to teach "endure to the end to be saved" Has A Definite Problem,
Because, to "Be LOST" Means That "CHRIST NEVER Knew them," as Per:

"And then will I profess unto them, I NEVER KNEW you: depart from Me, ye that work iniquity." (Matthew 7:23)

Thus, you CANNOT "have it BOTH ways, Correct? Saved = "He ALWAYS KNEW them," and
then, when they "lose salvation" = "He NEVER KNEW them"??? Impossible, Correct?

c) Furthermore, your "IF thou continue in his goodness" Is Consistent With
"doing good works for reward {goodness}"; thus, NOT continuing = cut off
= "loss of reward {severity}, BUT he himself SHALL BE SAVED!"
(1 Corinthians 3:14-15) = Harmonious! Believest thou This?

d) Critics: "a LOT of verses warning that we must endure in faith till the end."?
Sorry, There Are A LOT MORE "Plain And Clear" Passages Contradicting
these few.
#
Have you Carefully/Prayerfully Examined Them? If not, why not?

And, More Importantly: IF you have, Why do you Not believe All of Them?:

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God's OPERATION On All HIS New-born babes In CHRIST!
God's Eternal Assurance

Please Be Richly Encouraged In God's Word Of Truth, Rightly Divided!

Conclusion:

"endure to the end" Is INConsistent With: "God's FREE Gift of
ETERNAL Life By:

"GRACE Through faith," In God's Program Today: The Revelation
Of The MYSTERY!

IF "endure to the end" is true FOR us, then, CHRIST Died In Vain,
His BLOOD being INSUFFICIENT! Correct?

to be continued (11 more to go...), IF you wish...
God's Simple Will!

 

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Look at the parallel passage in Romans to the Colossians 3:1-4 passage. "In" and "with", no difference. With him means in him..

You are looking at this as though there were a preposition used in Colossians, but that's not the case. That's the significance of pointing to the actual Greek wording.

This does not say, "if you've been raised in Christ", it says, "if then you were together-raised with Christ". It's not the same. I think you have enough Greek knowledge that you could explain the different between prepositions such as "en", or "meta", and the prefix "sun-". Am I right?

Let's not look at another passage just yet, we've yet to conclude the true meaning of Colossians 3:1-4.

If you've been co-raised with Christ, you will co-appear with Christ. But you do not agree. You claim some who have bee co-raised with Christ will not appear with Him, and I say no way, prophecy will not be undone, Scripture cannot be broken.

You cannot make this passage false by your understanding of another passage. It says what it says, and that very clearly. You cannot undo that meaning. What you can do is come to harmonize your understandings with these such clearly stated passages.

For me, this is a very serious matter, if something I hold cannot be reconciled to particular passages of Scripture.

Times when we hold things that aren't quite correct, the thing is, when we come to a more correct understanding, we can find this to be incredibly liberating, as it's truth that sets us free.

Co-raised mean co-appearing. Simplicity.

Much love!

 

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1 Peter 1:22-25 KJV
22) Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, see that ye love one another with a pure heart fervently:
23) Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.
24) For all flesh is as grass, and all the glory of man as the flower of grass. The grass withereth, and the flower thereof falleth away:
25) But the word of the Lord endureth for ever. And this is the word which by the gospel is preached unto you.

Much love!

 

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John 11:25-26 KJV
25) Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:
26) And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?

Much love!

 

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Here's that "syn" prefix. Or sun-. Together.

If we together-died, we also shall together-live.

Much love!