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Of course, God is accurately communicating..., but men are not similarly always understanding. The best linguists, the best grammarians are Not also necessarily those closest to God.
Communication has always been a problem among men, be they believers in God and His Son or not. As babes in Christ they may speak and hear only babble. Growth is needed to increase in speaking and understanding clearly the things of God...
Atheists reading the Bible only understand if and when they have opened their hearts to truly seek the truth. Devils quoting the Bible have no Life and therefore no power in their spoken words.
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And God's child reading the Book He gave to us? We should heed His very words.
It seems to me men need to grow in Christ to be able to believe the things He's told us, and having come to believe, to live accordingly.
Much love!
Children, even very smart children, do not start out reading and when they do begin to read they do not immediately fully understand what they do read. Do they even at times learn things wrong which require correcting in order to progress to perfection?
Who does the leading and the correcting?
"Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect." Matt 5:48
If a person never admits the possibility that he is in error about anything, can he ever be corrected? Yet... see where we all begin:
"O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it is not in man that walketh to direct his steps." Jerem 10:23
And then Jeremiah continues in asking for correction...
Jer 10:24 O LORD, correct me, but with judgment; not in thine anger, lest thou bring me to nothing" Jerem 10:24
And in the NT John speaks of the One who is to teach us all things according to Jesus:
"But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you." John 14:26
OK, I get it.
Just the same, words have meaning, and God chose language to communicate to us through. We do well, in my opinion, to heed those words.
Much love!
Yes... and then did God choose the word of the Koine Greek or the Hebrew or the Aramaic... or did He choose the interpreted Words written in our hearts? What words are we to heed... especially if we do not understand the original human languages?
Where do the interpretations come from?
ScottA
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There is truly only one perfect translation: "The words must be spiritually discerned."
Yes and we can be spiritually misguided by the source of that spiritual discernment.
All that is of me shall worship the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. That which is in me, who will not also acknowledge and worship the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob are to leave my presence and go to the appointed place where they are to wait for the time appointed for their punishment as I do not need your presence within me.
All that is of me shall worship the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. That which is in me, who will not also acknowledge and worship the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob are to leave my presence and go to the appointed place where they are to wait for the time appointed for their punishment as I do not need your presence within me.
Will the Holy Spirit ever disagree with the Word written? He will not disagree with Himself.
We can know that true understanding is given spiritual, am I really hearing that it won't be through reading His Word? Am I really hearing that when you have "real spiritual understanding", it may actually be opposite what is plainly written in the Bible?
Much love!
Bob Estey
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Depends on what you mean by "trouble," and Jesus was a special case. Paul was in prison yet said he had found out how to have peace in all situations, while many rich people suffer immensely.
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well, a diff kind of trouble, i would agree
prison is generally interpreted as trouble though right
The problem for any us arises when we quench the Holy Spirit in ourselves. Every place I have ever attended church services has taught people to do that. Some are not as bad as others, but they all do it. When the Spirit in us is quenched what read in the written Bible is misunderstood by us. The Holy Spirit is not disagreeing. It is another spirit leading us that is disagreeing...
There is no correct "plain writing in the Bible" that is "good" when we are quenching the Holy Spirit!
When our old man is completely dead then we, like Jesus, will no longer be in the world of temptations, which when followed lead us to sin. Jesus stopped being in that world before he went to the cross!
"And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world..." John 17:11
Kill the old man!
ScottA
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No, the problem is the one we see going on here daily: the words are misinterpreted differently a thousand different ways, while claiming each is the only correct way, many of which is claimed to be spiritual.
So, no, I was saying, "let God be true but every man a liar." Truth belongs to God alone regardless of other spirits...or errors in translation. It should also be understood that God has not only confused all language, including scripture, but has even let one thing be believed for generations only to be corrected when he was ready to advance the truth (such as in the case of Moses' teachings on marriage, corrected by Christ, for "the hardness of their hearts").
Which, yes, only leaves "the words must be spiritually discerned" as said the apostle Paul.
And we can sort within ourselves which is which by what we read in His Word.
Should we assume someone is quenching the Holy Spirit when they trust in, rely upon His Word?
Much love!
The marriage definition, what a good example! Unseen by those who desired to not see it, yet there just the same, plain as day, from the very beginning.
Much love!
When we sin, we are quenching the Holy Spirit. When we are in the Spirit being led by the Spirit, we do not sin at all... I try not to look at the other guy and say he is sinning therefore he is quenching the Spirit. Let the other guy bring the subject up with me if he wants to...
Unless God reveals it to me, I do not know what is happening in someone else's heart. Do I always know everything that is happening in my own heart?
Waiting on him
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My opinion is, we all commit transgressions daily against our fellow man, but the only sin we can commit against God would be unbelief, and for those truly born again this is impossible because Christ Himself sustains that belief. He’s the one which inpowers us to believe in the first place
You can’t even call Him Lord aside from the power of the Holy Ghost.
You can’t even call Him Lord aside from the power of the Holy Ghost.
Waiting on him
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Mark 12:36 KJV
[36] For David himself said by the Holy Ghost, The Lord said to my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool.
[36] For David himself said by the Holy Ghost, The Lord said to my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool.
Waiting on him
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1 Corinthians 12:3 KJV
[3] Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost.
[3] Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost.
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