Explain Revelations So Even I Can Understand It

[TEXBOW]

Gods words

The final judgement is seen in Revelation 11:18 and Revelation 20:11-15, this alone shows that the book of Revelation is parallel teachings of same events, and not chronological as Chuck Smith and Calvary Chapels teach

Revelation 11:18KJV
18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.

Revelation 20:11-15KJV
11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

Revelation is not a simple, linear chronology, but a complex one. There is certainly overlap and we find that in many places in scripture.

Chapters 1-4: Introduction to the Prophecy

Chapters 5-7: Prelude to the Great Tribulation

Chapters 8-10: First Half of Tribulation

Chapter 11: First Half of Tribulation (Abomination of Desolation)

Chapter 12: Second Half of Tribulation (Abomination of Desolation)

Chapters 13-18: Second Half of Tribulation

Chapter 19: Conclusion of Great Tribulation

Chapters 20-22: The Millennium and Beyond

 

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Revelation is not a simple, linear chronology, but a complex one. There is certainly overlap and we find that in many places in scripture.

Chapters 1-4: Introduction to the Prophecy

Chapters 5-7: Prelude to the Great Tribulation

Chapters 8-10: First Half of Tribulation

Chapter 11: First Half of Tribulation (Abomination of Desolation)

Chapter 12: Second Half of Tribulation (Abomination of Desolation)

Chapters 13-18: Second Half of Tribulation

Chapter 19: Conclusion of Great Tribulation

Chapters 20-22: The Millennium and Beyond

As I've examined these, all the interior timelines, which I think support what you've shown here, are plainly delineated. Though that may be harder to see in the less literal translations.

Much love!

 

[Truth7t7]

Revelation is not a simple, linear chronology, but a complex one. There is certainly overlap and we find that in many places in scripture.

Chapters 1-4: Introduction to the Prophecy

Chapters 5-7: Prelude to the Great Tribulation

Chapters 8-10: First Half of Tribulation

Chapter 11: First Half of Tribulation (Abomination of Desolation)

Chapter 12: Second Half of Tribulation (Abomination of Desolation)

Chapters 13-18: Second Half of Tribulation

Chapter 19: Conclusion of Great Tribulation

Chapters 20-22: The Millennium and Beyond

We will disagree, the book of Revelation isn't a chronology as you claim

The final judgement is seen in Revelation 11:18 and Revelation 20:11-15, this alone shows that the book of Revelation is parallel teachings of same events, and not chronological as Chuck Smith and Calvary Chapels teach

Revelation 11:18KJV
18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.

Revelation 20:11-15KJV
11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

 

[TEXBOW]

As I've examined these, all the interior timelines, which I think support what you've shown here, are plainly delineated. Though that may be harder to see in the less literal translations.

Much love!

I think it's a high level view with some overlap. Our God is not a God of confusion.

 

[ScottA]

Scott you use verse50 below as your proof text to claim "Flesh" or a tangible body cannot inherit the kingdom?

The verses below clearly teach there is a natural/mortal body of flesh and a spiritual uncorrupted body that's eternal

Verse 50 below is doing nothing more than teaching that the "Natual/Mortal" corruptible body can't inherit the kingdom, and you interpret this as all tangible bodies "wrong"

The scripture clearly teaches the resurrection of the dead, with Jesus Christ being the firstfruit of the resurrection, in a "Spiritual" uncorruptible body of flesh and bone "Eternal", that are physical flooding this mortal world, that maintained the scars of Calvary

1 Corinthians 15:42-44 & 50KJV
42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:
43 It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:
44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.
42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:
43 It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:
44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.

50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

So, let me get this straight...you are changing your position from mocking my use of the Spirit and you claiming "blood and bone" will enter the kingdom of God, to claiming a "tangible, spiritual body" will instead, while still trying to correct me about what you first denied and I claimed from the start?

Well...good for you for finally coming around to the truth!

 

[NewMusic]

At Revelation 16:15, on the 6th Vial, Lord Jesus is still warning His CHURCH that He comes "as a thief", for His faithful to keep their garments lest they appear naked in shame...

Rev 16:15-17
15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.

16 And He gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.

17 And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done.
KJV


And NO, that is NOT... about any so-called 'tribulation saints' idea from men's Pre-trib Rapture theory. That idea was made up by the Pre-trib Rapture doctors to try and give their theory more weight. How do we know this? It's simple...

When Lord Jesus said there on the 6th Vial timing that He comes "as a thief", that is pointing to the very time of His coming to GATHER HIS CHURCH from the earth! It is even the timing that the Pre-trib Rapture theory has traditionally taught when Jesus comes to rapture them! How do we know this? It's because that "as a thief" metaphor is what He used to WARN His Church about the 'day' of His coming for them to be ready. He said to 'watch'.

Matt 24:43-44
43 But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up.

44 Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.
KJV

Another rare post. Good job. I wonder who you spoke with to be posting this. I shared this rarity that you call "metaphor" in the 6th bowl of wrath many, many years ago with some and I see it is now making its way into the Body.

But most still do not have eyes to see.

 

[Truth7t7]

So, let me get this straight...you are changing your position from mocking my use of the Spirit and you claiming "blood and bone" will enter the kingdom of God, to claiming a "tangible, spiritual body" will instead, while still trying to correct me about what you first denied and I claimed from the start?

Well...good for you for finally coming around to the truth!

Scott my whole premise was the believer will maintain a body of flesh and bone in the Eternal kingdom such as Jesus Christ maintained after the resurrection, my position never changed

You denied the believer would maintain this body as Jesus Christ as per my observation, and I went into greater detail and explanation

Do you believe the saved righteous will maintain a body of flesh and bone such as Jesus Christ after the resurrection?

 

[ScottA]

Scott my whole premise was the believer will maintain a body of flesh and bone in the Eternal kingdom such as Jesus Christ maintained after the resurrection, my position never changed

You denied the believer would maintain this body as Jesus Christ as per my observation, and I went into greater detail and explanation

Do you believe the saved righteous will maintain a body of flesh and bone such as Jesus Christ after the resurrection?

Oh, yes, I see you have not changed...you still advocate that flesh will enter the kingdom of God--which is directly opposed to scripture.

But you confuse Jesus' resurrection with his ascension. You see, some may raise from the dead in the flesh as Jesus did--but only as proof of his power over sin and death. But that is not the resurrection of the body (the church). The greater resurrection of scripture is not on earth...but from the world into the kingdom of God (actually portrayed in Jesus' ascension)...which flesh cannot inherit.

 

[Truth7t7]

Oh, yes, I see you have not changed...you still advocate that flesh will enter the kingdom of God--which is directly opposed to scripture.

But you confuse Jesus' resurrection with his ascension. You see, some may raise from the dead in the flesh as Jesus did--but only as proof of his power over sin and death. But that is not the resurrection of the body (the church). The greater resurrection of scripture is not on earth...but from the world into the kingdom of God (actually portrayed in Jesus' ascension)...which flesh cannot inherit.

We disagree, Jesus Christ maintains the body of flesh and bone that he had after the resurrection, a spiritual glorified body

The ascension had no change to the tangible body of flesh and bone as you claim

Verse 50 below is doing nothing more than teaching that the "Natual/Mortal" corruptible body can't inherit the kingdom, and you interpret this as all tangible bodies "wrong"

The scripture clearly teaches the resurrection of the dead, with Jesus Christ being the firstfruit of the resurrection, in a "Spiritual" uncorruptible body of flesh and bone "Eternal", that ate physical food in this mortal world, that maintained the scars of Calvary

We have run about the bush several times, we will disagree

1 Corinthians 15:42-44 & 50KJV
42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:
43 It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:
44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.
42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:
43 It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:
44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.

50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

 

[ScottA]

We disagree, Jesus Christ maintains the body of flesh and bone that he had after the resurrection, a spiritual glorified body

The ascension had no change to the tangible body of flesh and bone as you claim

Verse 50 below is doing nothing more than teaching that the "Natual/Mortal" corruptible body can't inherit the kingdom, and you interpret this as all tangible bodies "wrong"

The scripture clearly teaches the resurrection of the dead, with Jesus Christ being the firstfruit of the resurrection, in a "Spiritual" uncorruptible body of flesh and bone "Eternal", that ate physical food in this mortal world, that maintained the scars of Calvary

We have run about the bush several times, we will disagree

1 Corinthians 15:42-44 & 50KJV
42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:
43 It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:
44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.
42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:
43 It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:
44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.

50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

Yes, we disagree...but you have misunderstood the whole of scripture completely: God (and his kingdom) is spirit.

John 3:6
"That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit."

 

[Truth7t7]

Yes, we disagree...but you have misunderstood the whole of scripture completely: God (and his kingdom) is spirit.

John 3:6
"That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit."

The tangible body of flesh and bone that Jesus maintained after the resurrection was a "Spiritual Body", that appeared in the room with doors shut, that disappeared out of the apostles sight "Spiritual"

We Will Disagree

 

[ScottA]

The tangible body of flesh and bone that Jesus maintained after the resurrection was a "Spiritual Body", that appeared in the room with doors shut, that disappeared out of the apostles sight "Spiritual"

We Will Disagree

Nah, nah, nah...Jesus very clearly stated that it wasn't (spirit).

Error upon error.

 

[Timtofly]

You (and many) confuse Jesus' resurrection from death to life in the flesh with his ascension. Indeed, Jesus rose bodily proving his victory over death in heaven and earth. But there is no resurrection of the dead that includes flesh and blood inheriting the kingdom of God.

"Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; nor does corruption inherit incorruption." 1 Corinthians 15:50​

Paul was referring to dead flesh and blood inherited from dead Adam. Adam was created with an incorruptible body, not made by hands.

When Adam disobeyed, he did physically die. He lost the physical body God created, for a corruptible one. That is the flesh and blood that cannot be allowed in God's presence and Paradise. This current flesh and blood is death.

 

[Timtofly]

The final judgement is seen in Revelation 11:18 and Revelation 20:11-15, this alone shows that the book of Revelation is parallel teachings of same events, and not chronological as Chuck Smith and Calvary Chapels teach

Parallel views of Revelation is just as much human thelogy as the theology of Chuck Smith. Not sure why you accept one over the other.

 

[Timtofly]

Yes, we disagree...but you have misunderstood the whole of scripture completely: God (and his kingdom) is spirit.

John 3:6
"That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit."

Not the point you are making.

You have to have both physical and spiritual to be whole. One without the other is not a complete image. Keeping the physical and spiritual separate is what Satan desires. That is why he tempted Eve. To bring about such a separation.

The Atonement of the Cross paid the price to remove the separation, not to maintain such a separation.

 

[ScottA]

Paul was referring to dead flesh and blood inherited from dead Adam. Adam was created with an incorruptible body, not made by hands.

When Adam disobeyed, he did physically die. He lost the physical body God created, for a corruptible one. That is the flesh and blood that cannot be allowed in God's presence and Paradise. This current flesh and blood is death.

Jesus made no such distinction. On the contrary, he clearly stated "that which is born of the flesh is flesh, and what is born of the Spirit is spirit." And Paul confirmed it.

 

[ScottA]

Not the point you are making.

You have to have both physical and spiritual to be whole. One without the other is not a complete image. Keeping the physical and spiritual separate is what Satan desires. That is why he tempted Eve. To bring about such a separation.

The Atonement of the Cross paid the price to remove the separation, not to maintain such a separation.

Your explanation would make God (whom is spirit) unwhole.

Defend your misguided beliefs all you want, but they are against God and scripture. That is the flesh talking.

 

[Truth7t7]

Nah, nah, nah...Jesus very clearly stated that it wasn't (spirit).

Error upon error.

Jesus Christ maintained a tangible "Spiritual Body" after the resurrection, that could enter a room with doors shut, that could vanish out of sight, just as scripture teaches below

Devils are "Spirits" that dont maintain tangible bodies Matthew 8:16, Jesus Christ was not a "Spirit" as he stated

Matthew 8:16KJV
16 When the even was come, they brought unto him many that were possessed with devils: and he cast out the spirits with his word, and healed all that were sick:

1 Corinthians 15:20 & 42-44KJV
20 But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept.

42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:
43 It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:
44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.

John 20:19KJV
19 Then the same day at evening, being the first day of the week, when the doors were shut where the disciples were assembled for fear of the Jews, came Jesus and stood in the midst, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you.

Luke 24:30-31KJV
30 And it came to pass, as he sat at meat with them, he took bread, and blessed it, and brake, and gave to them.
31 And their eyes were opened, and they knew him; and he vanished out of their sight.

 

[Davy]

Oy vey. 2 people who claim to have a grip on Revelation are sharply disagreeing about God's Kingdom and one is calling the other a liar!

Davy, it seems to me that ScottA is quoting Scripture @ Mat 12:28. Not sure how you can say its against God's written Word. However, I see your tactic is to displace his verses with those you prefer - 19:27-28. I'd like to hear your analysis of Mat 12:28 as it pertains to the topic at hand. Thanks!

It's because he, nor you evidently, understand the difference between the two dimensions in God's Word, the physical vs. the spiritual. Afterall, per the Matthew 12:28 verse, what did Lord Jesus speak of casting out?

And also remember, that at Christ's 1st coming, He OFFERED the Kingdom to the Jews. But what happened instead? I mean, this is Bible New Testament Gospel 101!!! And you guys act like you're still in kindergarten Sunday school!

Thus His Kingdom, physical Kingdom, did NOT come, BECAUSE the Jews rejected it!

And if you had studied the Old Testament prophets like you're supposed to do as a Christian, you'd know that His Kingdom is LOCKED with the area of Jerusalem, ON EARTH, where GOD said He chose to dwell forever! (More easy Bible 101 stuff!)

What did manifest when The Gospel was accepted by the Gentiles then? Christ's SPIRITUAL KINGDOM through His Church! (and yet more... Bible 101 stuff!)

That is why... in John 18:36 Lord Jesus said emphatically that His Kingdom is not of THIS PRESENT WORLD. When then??? At HIS PHYSICAL RETURN ON THE LAST DAY OF THIS PRESENT WORLD (more Bible 101 stuff all Christians are supposed to know!)

 

[GaryAnderson]

Just read a thread about war in heaven via Rev 12:7. Though I read revelations 3x, I confess I cannot keep it in my head. I even read a book by a Rabbi who did an excellent analysis of connecting the many figurative passages.

The 1st time I read Revelations, I thought John must have been smoking something strong when he wrote it.

In the thread referenced above, several poster got into the phases of tribulation and that is not made clear to me from the text. Like Nostradamus predictions, passages are written so figuratively, they can be taken to mean nearly anything.

So, can anyone explain this book at a 4th grade level in just a short paragraph or two?

Here you go:

Part1:

Part2: